Health & Other Issues and properly caring for reptiles right now.....

Fellow BP.net members,

I wanted to share an honest and heartfelt post with you.

I am struggling to meet my standards of care of my reptiles right now. Everyone has fresh water and clean tanks (currently), but I am spending very little time with the reptiles right now (more my issue than an issue for them, I know) and haven't fed the snakes in about a month. They are all fine and I know that no one is ill or worse for the wear and that an occasional short fast can be good for all (even the corn snakes - who both shed and would have missed at least 1 feeding time anyway - they eat every two weeks).

Katie (my wife) has been sick for 3 weeks and we are still trying to figure out what's going on. She has been out of work the majority of that time as well. They think (they being Yale here in CT) that anything life threatening has been ruled out, but she is having serious issues non the less. She got significantly better and then regressed greatly the past few days. She, unlike me, is not used to being sick and is struggling with the whole situation. I am trying to be there for her, and also taking her to tests and to doctors, an average of 3-4 times a week the past 3 weeks.

On top of that, as many of you know, we lost our sweet dog, Bailey, last week and Cleo, the LG, 3 weeks before that.

I have my own health issues having had a kidney transplant, being immune suppressed, and having multiple other health issues, many related to the transplant and the medication I have to take to keep me from rejecting the kidney. Some of these issues have gotten worse over the past year or two.

All of this is weighing on me mentally and physically. I am falling asleep early most nights and sleeping late and/or getting up to take Katie to doctors. I feel overwhelmed right now by work and basic chores. As much as I love the reptiles, and usually get motivated to spend time with them and care for them, it feels like too much right now and I am lacking in motivation and energy. Even if I make it down to the reptile area most days, I don't have the energy some days to do even the most basic maintenance (like clean a tank). So, and again, not the end of the world, I've gone up to 2 days with dirty tanks and often get overwhelmed easily and struggle to get everything I need done. I have barely handled the reptiles for fun in the past month and although I do not resent them at all, I feel that I am unable to care for them as I would like to.

I know this will pass and I will get back on track. When that is, I am not sure. I plan to feed the snakes tomorrow and the lizards have pretty much been on schedule on eating give or take a day or two here and there. Most eat every other day or in Ezzy (Leachie) and Frank's (BTS) case, 2X a week.

I also have barely been on the forum and haven't posted much over the past month either. I love the forum, but if I have to choose between caring for my family (reptiles included) or spending time posting, I have to choose my family.

I wanted to share all this for two reasons. First, I hope others have some thoughts on helping me get back in the game. Regardless, writing this has been cathartic. Secondly, I want others to know that life can get in the way sometimes and especially if you have established animals and proper heating elements with thermostats and check temps regularly, reptiles are pretty tough. Having said that, keeping up on maintenance and feeding is important because if life throws you a curve ball, you are on top of things to start and can have a little flexibility.

Thank you to any and all who read this and especially for those who are able to comment.

Brother Dave,
First and foremost I want to wish you and Katie good health and wellness. I know firsthand how being ill sucks and can effect other areas of life, including the care of our pets. When I had surgery a few years ago I needed my family to change the critters water for about 6 weeks while I was recovering in the hospital and then at home. I didn’t have the energy or mobility to do much of anything. None of the snakes ate during that time. Granted, it was during the winter so they were used to eating less often. Snakes are very resilient animals and thankfully don’t require a lot of maintenance. As long as they have fresh water they can go without food for awhile and unlike cats and dogs our snakes don’t miss our company or need as much interaction with us. Keep your focus on getting better. If even the basic care is too much perhaps you could have a friend help with changing water and spot cleaning until you’re back at full strength which will hopefully be really soon. I’m praying for y’all.

I'm so sorry to hear about Katie's health issues, especially being a mystery makes it so much harder, I hope she can get some answers and treatment soon. It is good that snakes don't mind if we ignore them but I know how you feel, not having the time or energy to deal with them at all makes you feel pretty cruddy as a pet owner when you are used to doing more. Maybe one thing you could do is switch to disposable or cheap reusable water dishes, so you can worry about washing them at a different time but giving fresh water would be quicker. Also if you have an extra cage or tote, set it up so you can throw a snake in there for a day until you can clean a dirty cage, that way the snake is clean and you can deal with it later without worry. Set it up nice and you can consider it enrichment to boot. An extended fast for the snakes is no biggie even when it feels like forever to us and on the plus side, less waste is less work for you at this time. This too shall pass, hopefully sooner rather than later, you two will be in my thoughts.

Thank you EL-Ziggy!

Yeah, good on water. Also, I have a friend a couple of hours away, who is also a forum member, and he has offered to drive out and help for a day and help feed and get me back in the groove. I might take him on that offer.

Additionally, although not willing to get down and dirty with cleaning, my mom, who is about an hour and a half away, will sometimes come up to visit and sit with me while I clean. The company helps and she is happy to hold all the critters while I clean and water, etc.

Maybe a good plan the next week or two is to have my buddy come up and help feed and then ask my mother to visit next week and sit with me to clean cages, etc.

Part of the issue with the feeding is when I am completely wiped and exhausted and need to sleep, trying to feed the snakes worries me. I don't want to forget to lock a tank, or get bit, etc. When I am sick and tired, I am prone to mistakes. Having a second set of eyes will really help.

Normally, Katie will check the locks and sit with me when I don't feel well, but she doesn't feel well either, so I cannot ask her now.

I'll keep everyone posted.

I've been watching this forum for a while. Your reptiles are in good hands even -/+ a kidney. I'm certain your dedication will spur you to make the right choices for your reptiles.

As for Katie, I hope she gets better soon! Hopefully this isn't a long-term thing. My own life partner struggles with a genetic condition that went undiagnosed for a long period of time and hit her like a freight train years ago, she does her best to manage it, but, it is a game changer in the course of her life. I tell her all the time that careers and material things aren't important in the scheme of things--quality of life, having fun, and making good memories is where it is at...sometimes she believes me. :)

GoingPostal,

Thank you for the kind words.

I'll keep everyone posted on health issues.

I know the reptiles are okay. However, you are dead on, I feel badly as a reptile keeper more than they are suffering at all.

Maybe I need to relax and let it go a little and focus on what I need to right now; Katie's health and my health. I am keeping the water fresh and will feed this week one way or another - maybe with a friends help.

I think part of the issue is being out of the habit/pattern. Normally, 5-6 days a week minimum, I am doing something in the reptile area, and 7 days a week am I checking the status of everything. With all the appointments, being exhausted, and caring for Katie, I am not getting up in the morning and checking on the reptiles like I normally do and either cleaning then, or setting a time to do it later. Part of the issue with the feeding is I feed at night when the lights go out - about 9PM, and lately, I am either asleep or need to be at that point.

Thank you again.

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I've been watching this forum for a while. Your reptiles are in good hands even -/+ a kidney. I'm certain your dedication will spur you to make the right choices for your reptiles.

As for Katie, I hope she gets better soon! Hopefully this isn't a long-term thing. My own life partner struggles with a genetic condition that went undiagnosed for a long period of time and hit her like a freight train years ago, she does her best to manage it, but, it is a game changer in the course of her life. I tell her all the time that careers and material things aren't important in the scheme of things--quality of life, having fun, and making good memories is where it is at...sometimes she believes me. :)

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Thank you. I hope your partner is managing as best she can, as are you.

I really do appreciate your kind words and I know that I probably take better care than many of my reptiles, and my care is more than adequate, even when I am not feeling well.

I think this is really hard on Katie. She's never missed more than 3 days of work except for vacation. She's been out almost 3 weeks. My kidneys started failing when I was 23 and I almost died. I am used to being sick and in pain and/or discomfort. I don't ignore things, but I also tend to take issues in stride and have catered my life and job around knowing I have issues. This is new territory for Katie. My job, aside from being chauffeur and a second set of eyes and ears with the doctors, is keeping Katie resting. She is having to learn to let things go, balance, and let me do what I can. If I cannot, that's life right now. Hard adjustment for her.

Thank you again.

Sorry to hear Katies regressed in her health Dave especially if your not feeling good in your self either.
at least the reptiles except for fresh water can cope fine with there feeding schedules, like you say not like a cat or dog that need feeding daily and other daily routines
It's always strange when your not around on the forum and can't wait to see updates of your collection.
All the best to you and your family mate[emoji106][emoji106]fingers crossed they get Katie diagnosed and on the mend [emoji1696][emoji1696]

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I’d been thinking about you recently when I noticed you hadn’t been posting. I hope you get things figured out with you and Katie’s health issues soon. If I were in the area I’d be over in a jiffy to help out with the critters when needed. Good luck and keep your chin up brother! When you’re in the middle of the storm it can be rough, but this too shall pass


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Really sorry to hear about you and Katie having troubles Dave. You've always been one of the users here that I always look forward to seeing post, and I figured that the loss of Bailey and Cleo was weighing heavily on you, but hoped that was all. Unfortunately, the most I can do is send well wishes to you and your family with the sincere hope that things start to normalize for you guys soon.

I've struggled with making myself take care of tasks myself at times. Dealing with what I would consider very minor mental health issues, and a two year old who's busy being a two year old lol, sometimes I just don't feel like coming in the reptile room and cleaning. I've never let it get out of control, but my weekly cleaning day will roll around and me having had a rough week just don't want to do it. Those little humps are rare, but they were happening enough to the point I felt I had maybe taken on too much animal-wise. I've actually spoken to a close friend multiple times who breeds hognose snakes and discussed re-homing my two, but always backed down from that idea once the moment passes.

Point is, you're not alone. Stuff comes up and sometimes we have to, not lower our standards, but understand that we have to prioritize other things. I have no doubt that you're still taking excellent care of your animals even while taking a step back to take care of your human family. Just be sure you're making some time for yourself too, which I know is hard considering how focused you are on getting Katie better and taking care of things around the house, but just don't forget that you need some time for your own physical and mental health as well.

Anyway! It's good to hear from you, here if you need a chat, and wishing you and yours the best.

So sorry to hear about your troubles, Dave and Katie! I hope you two get some answers soon and wish you the best. I'm also in the group that would be over in a flash to help out if I lived a bit closer. That said, feel free to give me a holler if you ever feel like things are reaching a crisis level. There's a good chance I may be able to swing a visit for something like that. If you just need to talk, feel free to PM me as well.

I feel you on the "not having the snakes out as much as I'd like" front. Between some work-related burnout and a not-insignificant scare of my own recently, I've only had the snakes out for what I'd consider a baseline amount of exercise and haven't been changing out water bowls as frequently. (I've taken to changing them out every other day. My kids really like fresh water, particularly the girls). It's made me think thrice about bringing in new additions or that rehome I was offered. The resiliency and hardiness of snakes makes them a lot easier to manage in situations compared to other pets, but that kinda breaks down when things and collections scale up (heh).

You've always done your best by your reptiles, and I don't think that this will change that. It's obvious that they're in good hands. Again, I wish you and Katie the best, and I hope you two feel better soon!

I don't know how I missed this thread until now. Dave, I'm so sorry to hear that Katie has been unwell- & especially that the problem isn't yet solved. As mentioned already, I also noticed you've been sorta quiet lately & I assumed it was related to the loss of Bailey & Cleo- I am so sorry to hear that there's much more to it. Don't beat yourself up for having to prioritize things for a while, it happens to most of us sooner or later, & it's a good reminder for us all, to keep our collections manageable- none of us ever knows when things in our life could change. I hope Katie's health gets back to normal soon- I'm sure it's very rough because she has been your "rock" for so much of the time. You're both in my good thoughts- now & always. :please:

Hi Dave, sorry to hear about the recent struggles and Katie's health issues, I hope they can figure out what is it and you BOTH start feeling better soon.

I get the burn out, been in this hobby over 20 years and there have been times over those years when things are bad or too much going on or just burnt out and can't handle... the reptiles really are hardy and it's nice to know they can get along with some slack in care here and there, especially for someone like you that has such a great routine and setup. They will be okay with a dirty cage here and there and a few missed meals.

Thank you for sharing, take it one day (sometimes... one hour!) at a time and hang in there.
*hugs*

First, thank you to all who responded here, liked, or just read this thread. It was really helpful to read all the kind and logical comments. I also hope this helped some other keepers who might struggle from time to time as well.

Secondly, I had a friend who just moved to the area come over and keep me company yesterday and everyone got fresh water (on time) and cages that needed cleaning were cleaned. It was fun because she had only met a few of the reptiles, but met almost everyone yesterday. She was intrigued and I might even have another convert.

I feel better having seen everyone and saw that they are all fine. Knowing they have fresh water is good too. These days, if I fall behind one day, it can quickly turn into 2-3 days.

I have not fed the snakes yet, but plan to tomorrow or Monday at the latest.

Thank you to all again.

Dave,

First and foremost,


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First, thank you to all who responded here, liked, or just read this thread. It was really helpful to read all the kind and logical comments. I also hope this helped some other keepers who might struggle from time to time as well.

Secondly, I had a friend who just moved to the area come over and keep me company yesterday and everyone got fresh water (on time) and cages that needed cleaning were cleaned. It was fun because she had only met a few of the reptiles, but met almost everyone yesterday. She was intrigued and I might even have another convert.

I feel better having seen everyone and saw that they are all fine. Knowing they have fresh water is good too. These days, if I fall behind one day, it can quickly turn into 2-3 days.

I have not fed the snakes yet, but plan to tomorrow or Monday at the latest.

Thank you to all again.

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It's wonderful that you got to have an old friend pay a visit, especially one you can share your pets with too, & one that can even help you out some.

It may not be exactly the same things, but "life" has a way of smacking us all upside the head at times. This has been quite a year for so many, besides COVID, there was that massive power outage in TX & other areas. It's "always something" & I hope that for you & Katie, your troubles end up in the rear view mirror very soon.

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Fellow BP.net members,

I wanted to share an honest and heartfelt post with you.

I am struggling to meet my standards of care of my reptiles right now. Everyone has fresh water and clean tanks (currently), but I am spending very little time with the reptiles right now (more my issue than an issue for them, I know) and haven't fed the snakes in about a month. They are all fine and I know that no one is ill or worse for the wear and that an occasional short fast can be good for all (even the corn snakes - who both shed and would have missed at least 1 feeding time anyway - they eat every two weeks).

Katie (my wife) has been sick for 3 weeks and we are still trying to figure out what's going on. She has been out of work the majority of that time as well. They think (they being Yale here in CT) that anything life threatening has been ruled out, but she is having serious issues non the less. She got significantly better and then regressed greatly the past few days. She, unlike me, is not used to being sick and is struggling with the whole situation. I am trying to be there for her, and also taking her to tests and to doctors, an average of 3-4 times a week the past 3 weeks.

On top of that, as many of you know, we lost our sweet dog, Bailey, last week and Cleo, the LG, 3 weeks before that.

I have my own health issues having had a kidney transplant, being immune suppressed, and having multiple other health issues, many related to the transplant and the medication I have to take to keep me from rejecting the kidney. Some of these issues have gotten worse over the past year or two.

All of this is weighing on me mentally and physically. I am falling asleep early most nights and sleeping late and/or getting up to take Katie to doctors. I feel overwhelmed right now by work and basic chores. As much as I love the reptiles, and usually get motivated to spend time with them and care for them, it feels like too much right now and I am lacking in motivation and energy. Even if I make it down to the reptile area most days, I don't have the energy some days to do even the most basic maintenance (like clean a tank). So, and again, not the end of the world, I've gone up to 2 days with dirty tanks and often get overwhelmed easily and struggle to get everything I need done. I have barely handled the reptiles for fun in the past month and although I do not resent them at all, I feel that I am unable to care for them as I would like to.

I know this will pass and I will get back on track. When that is, I am not sure. I plan to feed the snakes tomorrow and the lizards have pretty much been on schedule on eating give or take a day or two here and there. Most eat every other day or in Ezzy (Leachie) and Frank's (BTS) case, 2X a week.

I also have barely been on the forum and haven't posted much over the past month either. I love the forum, but if I have to choose between caring for my family (reptiles included) or spending time posting, I have to choose my family.

I wanted to share all this for two reasons. First, I hope others have some thoughts on helping me get back in the game. Regardless, writing this has been cathartic. Secondly, I want others to know that life can get in the way sometimes and especially if you have established animals and proper heating elements with thermostats and check temps regularly, reptiles are pretty tough. Having said that, keeping up on maintenance and feeding is important because if life throws you a curve ball, you are on top of things to start and can have a little flexibility.

Thank you to any and all who read this and especially for those who are able to comment.

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Hi ... I’m guessing they’ve ruled out Covid 19 for your wife ??

Just that point about her getting better then suddenly worse ties in to a pattern from Covid ... poorly for week or so , then a few much better days then around day 10 a sudden plummet in health ..

Hope everything works out .. I reckon your mate helping out will make a massive difference to your mindset

Regards

Zinc


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Dave,

I hope and pray that for speedy recovery for you both. If I were close I would be over every weekend. I know exactly how you are feeling as I am dealing with similar issues. But I will keep you both in my prayers.


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Hi ... I’m guessing they’ve ruled out Covid 19 for your wife ??

Just that point about her getting better then suddenly worse ties in to a pattern from Covid ... poorly for week or so , then a few much better days then around day 10 a sudden plummet in health ..

Hope everything works out .. I reckon your mate helping out will make a massive difference to your mindset

Regards

Zinc


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Thanks Zinc.

Yeah. Definitely not Covid. Katie has been vaccinated for some time and also has had 5 Covid tests in the past few weeks. Both kinds of tests too.

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Dave,

I hope and pray that for speedy recovery for you both. If I were close I would be over every weekend. I know exactly how you are feeling as I am dealing with similar issues. But I will keep you both in my prayers.


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And we'll be thinking about you too, Kam. ;)

As promised, I fed the snakes tonight. Everyone was happy and ready! 7 for 7.

Again, thank you to everyone for the kind words and posts.

Katie is still sick, but we both got some rest the past few days. That can't hurt. I'll keep everyone posted, but wanted to write that I do feel a little more focused on the reptiles. The perspectives here and seeing that everyone is doing fine despite a little less love from me all helped.

I hope Katie's doctors get this figured out soon, so you can both get back to things being more normal. :please:

Hope she feels better soon. It's scary not having any answers, but stay positive if you can, it helps the immune system.

I have good news and bad news.

The good news first. I found a new medicine (new to me and new to the market) that helps treat my sleep disorders and for the first time in years, I have some energy. Still have a transplanted kidney and medication issues, etc. but this is the first improvement I have seen in the energy department in years. The past year or two I've been exhausted and or sleeping a lot. I am still having issues and say I am 60-70% on a good day, but that's way better than 20-30% on average.

This means I have been spending more time with and feel better about caring for the reptiles. I was worried for a while that I wasn't going to be able to care for them the way I want and they deserve over the long-term. I am happy to report, that at least at the moment, things are looking up there.

The bad news. I may have mentioned that I had an infection (happens being immune suppressed) and almost died a few months ago. Well, I had been pre-diabetic and was managing it well. However, the trauma of the illness/infection and the long-term prednisone use (a drug I cannot stop and have to take forever not to reject my kidney), etc. caused me to go full type 2 diabetic. That was contributing to me feeling badly but didn't know it until two weeks ago when I was finally diagnosed. I am on insulin now and they are still working to the dosage, but things are significantly better on that front. I was apparently walking around at times being very close to a diabetic coma.

I am the kind of person who doesn't dwell on things I cannot control and takes control of what I can. I have adjusted my diet, am continuing to lose weight, working on exercising, and taking my insulin and other meds per doctors orders. I was pretty upset initially, but after a short "pity-party" got right on track.

I am looking forward to continuing to feel better and to getting the basement fixed (still a work in progress) and spending more time with Katie, the dogs, and the reptiles.

Katie is still a work in progress, but we are getting closer, per the doctor to a full diagnosis and treatment. I likely won't share all the details of that on here as it's Katie's life and she is more private than I am. However, I will let people know when she's back on track as well.

You're entitled to a pity-party, I'm so glad you're getting things figured out & adjusted. And especially, that you're feeling much better. We all have to deal with things that are out of our control- you've just had a bit more practice than most. ;) Maybe your reptiles sensed your energy return, & that's why they all ate today? :dance:

Wishing you and Katie good health and happier days Dave.

I'm glad you and Katie are on the road to getting health issues identified and managed, and wish you both ongoing improved health and peaceful, happy days together. I agree that wallowing isn't helpful, but there's nothing wrong with a quick dip into a 'pity party' - there are a lot of justifiably complex and difficult feelings associated with a diagnosis of chronic illness and it's good to acknowledge them.

For what it's worth, I deal with some long-term health issues related to a horrific accident I was in when I was younger (thanks so much, drunk driver). I'm no Pollyanna, but in a weird sort of way it's brought some positives to my life. There are a couple of similarities to Diabetes in that I do best when I maintain healthy eating patterns, keep my weight low and do regular cardio and strength work. So my lifestyle may appear on the outside to be typical of your basic 'health nut', but for me it's all essential to prevent living with chronic pain. I'd certainly be glad if none of this had happened, but on the other hand, developing these habits has been great both physically and mentally. And I became a damned good cook in the process, which has been pretty cool!

I'm just really happy to hear about the new medication; that is a pretty spectacular improvement. And it sounds like there is a light at the end of the tunnel for Katie, too, which is more good news. Managing health problems is not for the faint of heart, but it seems like you guys share a generally positive outlook and are there for one another, which makes a huge difference. Blessings to both of you.

My blood sugar is getting under control and my sleep issues are better. That's a good combo. Again, I never expect to be 100% again, but I am feeling better and the reptiles and our relationship is better too. I am spending more time chilling with them and bonding and not just cleaning up and feeding. I cannot wait until the basement is done and I can really spend time with them again while enjoying that space. Not just going down to spend time with them, but enjoying the space too. Katie are missing 2/5 of our house and our family area. Will be nice to hang and watch TV with the dogs and the reptiles etc. Not together though. :).

I can imagine how much you're missing your basement- especially now that you're feeling better. What a huge job that turned out to be- not just the clean up but all the needed renovation too, ugh. But it should be awesome once it gets done. :cool:

I write this with a heavy heart. I think I am going to re-home Esmeralda/Ezzy (Leachie) and Ferdinand/Ferry (Chewie).

I've been doing a lot of soul searching and my health although stable at this point, has created consistent periods (days at a time) of exhaustion.

I try to explain exhaustion to people, but my cousin, who was on chemo said it best. She called me and said, "I finally get it. Being tired is saying, okay, I should to take a nap, going upstairs, and taking one. Exhaustion is falling asleep on the bottom step because you don't have the energy to make it up the stairs."

I have 11 reptiles and 12 tanks right now (one 3X2' being used as a storage tank on the bottom of the 6X2' Boaphile stack). It's a lot. It's more when I am not feeling well and Katie isn't either. We are constantly trying to pick up the slack for each other.

I know I do not not have justify it and have already found a good home - more on that in a minute. However, I am the kind of person who stands by my commitments. I committed to Ezzy and Ferry 3 years ago. I think they are incredibly cool animals, but I also feel they are a lot of work for limited engagement. I feed Ezzy 2X a week and Ferry 4-5, including insects. They have a large container of wood so I can always have clean wood in their cages and I have to throughly clean their cages 1X a week. They make a mess and everywhere because they can climb on anything - wall and ceiling, etc. Neither tolerates handling much either. Oh, and they have a misting system. I might move that to the Boas, but not sure yet. For now, I might just take it down.

The snakes are my true passion and I plan to keep Carra (9 year old Leopard Gecko) and Frank (BTS), as well as all the snakes.

I find the snakes to be pretty easy and are high reward for me. I handle them, interact with them regularly, and feel a bond with all the remaining animals (Frank and Carra included).

The basement being in shambles hasn't helped this (or the lack of running water for months). However, I am the kind of person who generally makes a decision and has little regrets.

Onto the potential home. I could sell them or barter with a local reptile store where I know the owner well and respect him. He would probably find a good home, and the money would help right now with the basement and contractor disputes etc. However, I think I am leaning towards "donating" them to the local reptile zoo I've spoken about here. https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ight=riverside

The owner, Brian, might put them on display, and would probably use them for education, etc. Either way, I know they will have a good home. He's a great guy and very responsible and cares for his animals.

By "donating" them, I might still get something for the tanks and/or some cool perks with Riverside Reptiles. Brian does breed many snakes, and down the road, might consider filling the empty tank with something easier and that doesn't take up as much space (misting system, food items - drawers of their dry food, insect containers, etc. and the wood). For now though, not sure.

Between work, Katie still being sick, me being sick for years now and not getting much better, and the time/reward scenario, I think it makes the most sense to re-home them. It would also allow us to have much more space in the reptile as I could make an L shape with the tank, and/or have more room for a chair, etc. Not having furniture in the basement has made me miss just chilling with the animals and interacting with them more and in more meaningful ways.

Still not 100% sure, but getting there. Katie told me not to feel guilty as circumstances can change. Mine have. I still feel guilty.

Sorry to hear you’re still having some issues, Dave. I think it takes a big person to admit that they’ve got a little too much going on. I read this not as a guy who’s giving up on some animals, but who’s putting them first and making a call that, while painful, has their best interests at heart. I think it takes a lot of love to feel the way I know you do about your animals and still consider what you’re considering. Plus, you get the added benefit of them, if you choose to donate them, going to a place where not only will they be well taken care of, but could be used to bring in new people to the hobby who get to see them there.

Anyway, I had this grand idea that I was going to be able to word this in a way that made you feel better but alas, I’m not nearly as eloquent as I like to think I am :rofl:

There is no shame in admitting that caring for a particular critter is beyond your knowledge or physical capability, and arranging for it to go to a more appropriate home.

I'm sorry to hear about your health issues. I personally don't have any health problems but sometimes life is overwhelming and I miss a day cleaning tubs and feel guilty. So I definitely can relate. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your lady. If you every feel the need to re home someone temporarily I'll make a spot in my quarenteen rack. Feel free to reach out if you're in need.

Sincerely,
Sean

Dave- your heart & mind are both in the right place. I had a feeling you've been struggling lately as you've not been on the forum so much. With all the home renovation & health issues that both you & Katie have on-going, I think you're making the right decision & for all the right reasons, so don't second-guess yourself or feel bad about it.

I've kept some lizards in the past (including a bearded dragon, various geckos, a couple night lizards & a wild desert iguana that just needed some temporary rehab after a near-drowning in someone's water tank) and you're absolutely correct that they're far more labor-intensive. That's why I've stuck with snakes-only for a very long time now- they fit me & my lifestyle, & have similar needs. When you have some health issues, you sure don't need the added stress or guilt feelings when you're less able to keep up with everything.

We're sorta like a "family" here- please know that we're on your side. :grouphug: Sooner or later, most of us will experience similar challenges, so thank you for sharing your experience as always.
You've always gone above & beyond for all your animals- it's time to give yourself a little break, & take the best care of you & Katie too. I certainly support your decision. ;)

Dave,

You are Saint! There are many who wouldn’t have thought as hard as you did in regards to this matter. Your idea is a grand one. You and Katie’s health are paramount and this gesture would help just a little bit, I say go for it. Nothing but love and respect for you.


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Thank you all!

I really appreciate the perspective and the support.

I meet Brian next week and plan to re-home them. I think it's best for all and in the end I know they will be cared for and that's what matters.

I think the idea of simplifying my life some is a good choice right now as well. It will help keep me passionate and excited about the reptiles and I will probably enjoy interacting with the ones I have and really enjoy more.

In case people didn't see my other threads, I did re-home both Rhacos and they are doing great at their new home!

Everyone else has been good reptile wise, but my health continues to be an issue.

I was in the hospital last week with cellulitis for the 2nd time in 18 months. This time I knew what to look for and went before it got out of hand. Last year I almost died of sepsis and entered the hospital with 102F and spent 3 days in the infectious disease unit.

This time, I went as soon as I saw physical signs of the cellulitis and only spent 1 day in the hospital. Strong antibiotics and being sick knocked me out for about 5 days, but I am okay now.

The reptiles pretty much fended for themselves during this time. Everyone had water and the thermostats did their job, although temps were off in a few tanks because temps are dropping fast here the North East US and the basement/reptile area dropped about 6 degrees in the past week. Today I did a lot of cleaning and slightly adjusted some temps and gave everyone fresh water and food for the two lizards. The snakes are due to eat in the next day or two so no one is worse off there.

I should point out that I have redundant thermostats, so they cut off if it gets too hot. Still a few tanks were a couple degrees higher than a like and that leaves less margin for safety. The thermostats shut off as they were supposed to, but I am perfectionist and wasn't happy.

Anyway, everyone is fine. Still, it makes me sad when I can't spend time with them and especially when I am too sick to even check on them much.

I am not sure why I write all this. I think it's cathartic for me. I also have no plans of cutting down the crew. All the reptiles are able to sustain themselves for 3-5 days without issue as long as they have water. Still, I pride myself on being Johnny on the spot with them.

If nothing else, I hope this helps others keepers' who have health issues. I have a lot, including being immune compromised and having a transplanted kidney. I am sure others are dealing with similar, or better, or worse, stuff and I hope I can encourage you to stay in the hobby. I also hope this emphasizes the importance of proper tanks, proper husbandry, and proper thermostats!

Dave, I'm so glad you got medical help sooner this time & that you're on the mend now. You've been quiet on the forum lately so I was wondering if you were okay, & hoping you were.

Hey,

First of all, best of luck!! I'm hoping for good things to come your way.

Secondly, you have the absolute perfect animals to deal with something like this. Feeding once a month for most of the animals you have is perfectly acceptable and actually recommended based on newer information coming out about feeding. Winter is coming, and feeding adult snakes can be skipped for the winter season. I'm done the end of this month until mid or late March.

Remember when we talked about substrate a while back?

Maybe for the time being, you can use coco chips. I honestly spot clean when there is waste, otherwise you can get a couple of months or more with coco before you have to power clean.

Just add some more sub when you scoop the bad stuff.

Then, you're looking at water changes every 2 days, 3 if the bowls are big, and you are good to go. Pretend its like brushing your teeth. You swing into the room, get it done and move on!

That's my positive pep talk for you sir.

Just light a small spark in yourself to get the water changed and clean visible waste and you are golden.

I think you have this no problem.

I too have been hit with adversity. I actually got my first boa 3 days after I had my left quadricep reattached after completely tearing it off.

Last year I had 2 artificial discs put in my neck due to a jujitsu accident.

You are not alone in the battle.

You take great care of your animals.

All you need to do is keep the minimum basics up and don't feel any guilt.

Your reptiles will give back to you by not needing you as much as you think they do.

Brother dakski, it’s been quite a bit of reading over these posts but I want and need you to know. Our BP.net family is listening to you and extending our concern and support for both Katie and yourself. We all recognize you as the professional and heartfelt keeper that you are and knowing how much your collection means to you. We’ve all gained knowledge and experience from you and your great wisdom in so many areas as well as herpetology, husbandry , and so many other topics. Please don’t think of your current situations as permanent. Circumstances can change and we have to be committed to extract the joy and goodness in all situations. We do have to make our health the priority over mostly anything else. We have to be healthy and well to be able and positioned to help someone else or something else. It may be cathartic but it’s also necessary and part of the healing process to vent and express emotion. If there is anything I can do to help you get through , please let me know. I’ll pm my contact info to you. Stay strong and courageous!

Three quick things.

1. I had a scare with my kidney in the past couple of weeks and had to have a kidney biopsy (on my transplanted kidney). It's the first I've had to have in about 8 years. It looks like there may have been a confluence of events that caused concern and reduced kidney function, but that things are potentially improving. I'll have a lot more information this week after the biopsy results come back and I discuss with my nephrologist (kidney doctor). I'll advise when I can, but assume no news is good news.

2. On top of dealing with kidney stuff, I got COVID the day after my biopsy. I've had it for a week and it's kicking my butt. Having a reduced immune system doesn't help (see kidney transplant recipient above). However, they put me on antiviral meds, stopped one immune suppressant, and I am fully vaccinated. I am convinced that combination kept me out of the hospital. Today is my first day upright in a week and I am tired and weak, but able to write this. Cough was killer, but is 80% better now, as are the chills/hot spells. I am mostly dealing with severe weakness and a cough now.

3. Katie's been a saint. She's cared for me, made sure I drank a ton of fluids and fed me, and even did a bunch of the reptile stuff (with me). I wasn't much help because of how weak I was and still am. However, we worked together and she cleaned bowls and tanks etc. All the reptiles are doing fine, but Behira and Feliz will eat a few days past 3 weeks as Katie draws the line with feeding, at least for now.

As you all know, I worry about my pets. Katie's been there for me and them beyond what I expected.

David (dakski), it's great that you're sharing what you're going through with the rest of us on this forum- because none of us ever knows when we might be similarly "out of commission" & we need to consider (ahead of time, if possible) just how we might deal with our responsibilities in similar circumstances. It's something no one wants to think about, & as many members here are younger & likely consider themselves to be healthy, it's probably tempting to think none of this applies to them- but in reality, it could- we never know.

In truth, you're not even the first long-time member here to be laid-low by COVID- I got some pms about a year ago from another member who was unable to continue working, or dealing with their snake-breeding projects, due to COVID- fortunately, "they" had (have?) help from those close to them, but the recovery can be very long, as it was/is in their case- even though they didn't have predisposing issues. I'm not sharing their identity out of respect for their privacy, as they apparently didn't wish to discuss it here- they just wanted me to know why they disappeared.

This forum has been around a while, & over time, many members have come & gone for all sorts of reasons & life changes- but in these more recent years we can only wonder how many others we have lost that were pandemic-related. We all want to charge forward in our lives, not live in fear of the many "what-ifs"- but it never hurts to have some contingency plans. It's easy to take our health for granted.

David- it sounds to me like you're in good hands & we're all pulling for you to regain your health. :carrot::sunny::bounce:

Great news all around.

The biopsy came back and although the kidney had been less than stellar for some time, it appears to be on the mend/recovering from "acute trauma." They think it was a confluence of events that caused the kidney to operate below normal capacity for a bit and it took longer than expected to recover. Either way, blood work in 6 weeks and assuming that comes back stable, should be able to breathe easy for a bit.

In the meantime, COVID symptoms are easing and I am feeling better.

Again, so thankful for Katie and we are both incredibly relieved today.

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Great news all around.

The biopsy came back and although the kidney had been less than stellar for some time, it appears to be on the mend/recovering from "acute trauma." They think it was a confluence of events that caused the kidney to operate below normal capacity for a bit and it took longer than expected to recover. Either way, blood work in 6 weeks and assuming that comes back stable, should be able to breathe easy for a bit.

In the meantime, COVID symptoms are easing and I am feeling better.

Again, so thankful for Katie and we are both incredibly relieved today.

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And just in time for Thanksgiving too...:)

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A few updates.

1. They are switching my immune suppression as further review of my kidney biopsy revealed scarring from one of the immune suppressants I take. It's not abnormal, but it would shorten the life of the kidney if I stayed on it. I am switching to a once a month IV immune suppressant drug that is new(er) and not nephrotoxic (poison to my kidney) like the old drug was.

2. I spent the last 5 days in the hospital and was released today. I went in Thursday night with 102F+ fever and cellulitis and probably was septic as well. A small sore, on my abdomen again, got agitated and became infected and spread in less than a day. My temperature Thursday night went from normal (98.6) to 102F+ in 2 hours. My abdomen went from having a small red speck to 70% of it covered in painful redness and hot to the touch in the same period of time.

I am not out of the woods yet and still on strong meds to further get rid of the infection and ensure it doesn't come back immediately. They weren't planning on sending me home until tomorrow or Wednesday at the earliest, but I improved dramatically from yesterday to today. I have to say, I am not a fan of being in the hospital, although I seem to spend an awful lot of time there.

3. They are stopping one of the other immune suppressant medications I take to help prevent this from happening again. 3X in 1.5 years is too much. 2X I was admitted and this was the worst. I wasn't "stable" until 7AM Friday morning and this time, they knew what they were dealing with (in part) because it's the 3rd time in 1.5 years! The first time I was only in the hospital for 3 days and they didn't know what was causing my issues for a day. This time, they had a head start.

Additionally, I am going to be taking a low dose of antibiotics indefinitely to prevent any small infections from becoming big ones.

Why share all this?

Aside from scaring me regarding my mortality, and being in pain and sick for days, and being poked and prodded, etc. and just wanting to write it out and share with the community because it's cathartic. It also, obviously, impacted the reptiles.

I came home late this afternoon and everyone is fine. However, I have a lot of work to do tomorrow when I hope I feel up to it. My mother is coming to help as Katie is beyond exhausted right now. Some soiled tanks and two hungry lizards. However, Katie made sure all thermostats were working and everyone had water (which they did the whole time). I have local people to call if Katie needs or wants help, but it wasn't necessary...this time.

I'll clean all the tanks that need it and change everyone's water tomorrow. Behira and Feliz are due to eat today, but I'll feed in the next couple of days. They will not be any worse for the wear, I am sure.

Today I did feed Frank (BTS) and Carra (LG) and made sure their tanks were clean. Luckily I had fed them both Wednesday, so they were hungry, but okay.

I know they aren't mad, and they will be fine, but I hate not being there to care for the collection. I am usually meticulous about clean tanks, fresh water, feeding schedules, etc. I guess because of that, everyone is okay, plus Katie checking in.

If she had to, she would clean tanks and change waters etc. I didn't ask because she was so exhausted caring for me and the dogs and being at the hospital every day with me. She draws the line at feeding, which she has no experience with, and I have other people who can come in if I am gone for a prolonged period. Also, snakes are pretty adaptable, especially when fed regularly. Having said all that, they are really my reptiles and some are getting big enough that Katie isn't completely comfortable handling them and getting them out of the tanks. So unless it's an emergency, I won't ask that of her.

This is scary from a keeper perspective because these unplanned hospital visits are probably not going away. There is a huge unpredictably to being both immune compromised and having a transplanted kidney. I am probably making a mountain out of a molehill, but I again question my ability to adequately care for them.

Anyway, went on here and am beyond exhausted. I wanted to explain my absence of late and also write it out and see what others thought.

Oh, wow- I've noticed you logged in here, just thought (hoped?) you didn't feel like posting. Sorry to hear you've been in the hospital again, that's the pits. And you don't have to convince me- no one would blame you one bit if you decided to further reduce your collection- all those animals cause you stress when you can't keep up, & some aren't ideal for Katie either.

There's no one right number of pets to keep that fits everyone- we're all walking a different path, & over time, that path will change too. One person might be fine with 40+, another might be overwhelmed with 3- so listen to your own inner voice on this- & maybe talk it over with Katie or others too.

Glad to hear you're on the mend again, & hope the changes help you a lot.

I'm sorry to hear you've been sick, and not just sick but scary sick. That's traumatizing. Be sure to prioritize your self-care now. You need to recover both physically and emotionally. It's not being selfish. You'll be a better husband and keeper in the long run.

As far as your collection goes, don't be afraid to ask for help. Living with them, maybe you don't appreciate how awesome your collection is. Helping you care for them would be a treat for most keepers. Don't hesitate to tap those local people to help you out. Tap me. I'd be glad to help.

You have such a beautiful and diverse collection that I can understand your reluctance to part with any of them, but should you decide to do so, having such a beautiful and diverse collection, should make rehoming them easier. No one would think less of you for it.

A quick update. Back on track a bit. Been keeping cages clean and got everyone back on schedule and fed tonight. Every snake except Shayna (BP who is fasting) ate.

Frank (BTS) has been eating fine and is no worse for the wear and the same with Carra (Leopard Gecko).

Additionally, we found a local pet/house sitter. She lives 4 minutes away from us and is now on call in case of emergency. She is mainly for the dogs, but was also a zoo keeper and has extensive reptile experience. I cannot imagine her needing to feed the snakes, but she can, and is comfortable changing water, checking temps, etc. I also plan to reach out to the owner of Riverside Reptiles, who I know well, and is 1 minute from my house. In a pinch, I am happy to pay him or one of his reptile keepers to check on the reptiles, if our pet/house sitter is away, etc.

That makes me feel much better. If I end up in the Emergency Department we have coverage. This also gives us flexibility to go on trips (usually weekend trips) that we haven't done in a while. Our old Dogsitter moved. So it's been a bit.

Overall, I am feeling significantly better. I also have zero plans on cutting the collection down at this point. I enjoy them and now we have backup plans.

Thank you all for your understanding and kind words. It is much appreciated.

I'm so glad that everything's going better for you now, including backup plans to put your mind at ease- that really helps.

Glad you’re feeling better Dave. Wishing you a full and speedy recovery brother!