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!boa bonanza!
Well, we’ve got the Morelia Madness thread for all things Morelia... figured we needed an outlet for all things Boa as well. Pictures, discussion on husbandry, natural history, etc.
I’ll kick things off with the two representatives of the Genus in my snake room. Boa constrictor (Pokigron Suriname True Red-Tail) and Boa constrictor occidentalis (Argentine Boa).
Post ‘em if ya got ‘em!
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Great idea! :gj: They sure love those "sky-hides" don't they? :snake:
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Great idea! :gj: They sure love those "sky-hides" don't they? :snake:
More so than I even expected. I guided both of them into their highest ones to be sure they found them (also have them mounted under the shelves) and they’re both using them almost daily. Neither have found or used the under-shelf sky hides though. I’ll move those to upcoming Morelia enclosures if they continue going unused.
The Argentine has been spending all daylight hours in hers and the suri tends to spend daylight hours on the floor buried in his bedding, but has been out exploring the canopy offerings at night more than he had in the previous enclosure. Probably partially attributable to new scents and enrichment options, but I’ll have to closely observe and see if I can detect any new behavioral patterns that correspond with changes in his environment.
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I'll contribute.
Sniper: Barranquilla, Colombian locale. Produced by Gus Rentfro (Rio Bravo Reptiles)
This photo is courtesy of Legacy Reptiles and was the first picture I ever saw of him.
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A few years back on the deck rail. Summer rain.
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Another older photo, a rare grass shot.
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More recent and much longer.
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I only have 1 so that's all you get LOL!
I'll get the summer pictures out soon.
The house and deck are up for painting this spring so things should look a bit more crisp after that.
Great post JM and beautiful boas!
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Both boas Looking awsome jmcrook,
My gomez love his high shelf too
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I'll contribute.
Sniper: Barranquilla, Colombian locale. Produced by Gus Rentfro (Rio Bravo Reptiles)
This photo is courtesy of Legacy Reptiles and was the first picture I ever saw of him.
https://i.imgur.com/my4TZAV.jpg?1
A few years back on the deck rail. Summer rain.
https://i.imgur.com/fitVdcf.jpg
Another older photo, a rare grass shot.
https://i.imgur.com/TvhXZ7E.jpg
More recent and much longer.
https://i.imgur.com/ag1EUc0.jpg
I only have 1 so that's all you get LOL!
I'll get the summer pictures out soon.
The house and deck are up for painting this spring so things should look a bit more crisp after that.
Great post JM and beautiful boas!
Sniper is looking fantastic gio
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I really love snipers colour and marking Gio
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For some reason I can't upload pics at the moment
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If you are into boas, one thing to pick up on is the differences in head and body shape. Sniper has a head in between a Colombian BCI (BI) and a BCC (BC) with a taller loaf body than the typical Colombian so he's a little of each which is what the locale is said to be. "A natural cross", according to Russo's book.
However I see a lot of differences between JM's two boas here. Both head and body shapes are distinct and will become more-so with age.
Richard,
When you can post, you'll have a lot to add. You seem to have a sizable and diverse collection.
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Some of the locality boas are very different in body shape and head shape, some have awsome head spears and other like the bc have the eyebrow markings too, thats one ofthe awsome things I like about boas and the reason I keep both locality boas and morph boas, each bring there own unique things to the table
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Good topic on the body and head shapes, Gio.
My two Boas are remarkably different that regard.
The Suriname boy, Leonard Eugene, is taller than he is wide and the extremely rectangular in cross section. His head is very flat, spear shaped, and fairly elongated. Being a male he’s also fairly lean in build and will not be pressed for monster size here.
The Argentine Boa, Mirabelle Rose, is very very round in cross section and has a much beefier head shape and musculature. If you look closely in pictures you can see that her right side of her top lip also is a bit higher than the left. Always been like that.
Being female she is noticeably heavier built than the suri as well. She also will not be pressed for gigantic size, but does have that potential in her genetics. In Bob Guerriere’s words, “her mother’s mother is a monster”. Like 9-10’ and 40-50lb range. Should she attain such a size, the two cages I shared pictures of in the first post can have the center removed and become one enormous 8x2.5x2’ enclosure. That’s years and years down the road if ever.
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Here are my two!
It's hard to tell from the photos, but Adelita is about twice Kuzco's mass. He's a lot lankier and leaner inch-per-inch, as well as a bit taller and square-er. It'll be interesting to see how they compare to each other once they've finished growing.
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Another nice looking couple of boas!
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Outstanding examples of locality Boas across 5 sp/ssp! Way to get the ball rolling, y’all!
[emoji869][emoji91]Boa Brigade Represent[emoji91][emoji869]
I always love seeing such clear, crisp photos of both of your collections, Gio and WrongPython. Makes me want to break out my real camera and set up a light tent and really go for it. The LEDs in my cages are great for viewing, but not the best for photos. Could always do UV bulbs for daylight in the future too.
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Heh, the pictures above aren't as fancy as you think. They came courtesy of a phone camera, an Ikea chair, and some fortuitously good kitchen lighting (not to mention some very cooperative snakes). :P An actual camera is on the list for this year, though. Blurry phone camera photos of assorted wildlife through my binoculars isn't cutting it for me anymore. Time to up the photography game!
Some UV lights can really wash out the colors of your snakes. The UV lights Adelita has in her cage make her look grey at times, and she's definitely not! If you really want to replicate the color and intensity of natural sunlight in a photo box, you'll probably have to mix a couple of different lights together.
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Photos are still failing to upload this morning, I can upload to my English reptile forum seems to be this one[emoji22][emoji22]
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Originally Posted by Gio
If you are into boas, one thing to pick up on is the differences in head and body shape. Sniper has a head in between a Colombian BCI (BI) and a BCC (BC) with a taller loaf body than the typical Colombian so he's a little of each which is what the locale is said to be. "A natural cross", according to Russo's book.
However I see a lot of differences between JM's two boas here. Both head and body shapes are distinct and will become more-so with age.
Richard,
When you can post, you'll have a lot to add. You seem to have a sizable and diverse collection.
Russo's book is a great read for anyone interested in learning more about boas. jmcrook recommended it to me awhile back when we were discussing keeping boas vs Morelia. I'm excited this thread got started, and looking forward to seeing everyone's collections in one place.
Forgive what may be a silly question, but along with the body and head shape, have you all noticed any behavioral differences between the different localities that you keep?
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Russo's book is a great read for anyone interested in learning more about boas. jmcrook recommended it to me awhile back when we were discussing keeping boas vs Morelia. I'm excited this thread got started, and looking forward to seeing everyone's collections in one place.
Forgive what may be a silly question, but along with the body and head shape, have you all noticed any behavioral differences between the different localities that you keep?
Not a silly question at all! Most noticeable behavioral difference to me (and most annoying to me...) is that my Suriname insists on completely and totally burying his every bowel movement 100% below the substrate. Like digs his tail down into the mulch and then let’s it rip directly on the floor of the enclosure. The Argentine just goes directly on top for the most part.
My theory is that it’s a survival mechanism so that potential predators are less likely to pick up on a scent trail. Strange that the Argentine doesn’t do that though as they’re both about the same age and size.
The Suriname is a bit more sedentary in the enclosure but squirrellier when outside and vice versa with the Argentine. Suri also is quite grippy and grabs very tightly when being handed and the Argentine not nearly as much.
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My Guyana buries his too.hes nearly ways up high on his shelf too, I love to watch him in hunt mode, he holds on really tight, he won't be very big he's nearly 3 and not much over 4.5ft
My corn island(bci/bi) are my most arboreal boas, they on the branches at least 80%+ of the time, on the corn islands off the coast of Nicaragua they mainly live in trees too and there colour change is really extreme from a nice light grey to an almost khaki green often from morning to night.these arnt a big species, I had a female that was about 5ft but my male are not much over 3.5ft
My longicauda(bcl/bil) prefer it a few degrees cooler and if its too humid they have awful sheds, these very rarely hold on and the amount of times I've nearly dropped them is awfull my female is just over 5ft and the male is not much over 4ft and so much slimmer than the male, they was 5 last month
My bca South Brazilian boas are not quite 2yrs old so I'm leaning more on them as and when, there doesn't seem to be a lot of literature on those, they are mention in the vin russo boa bible but a lot of people think they are are cross between the bcc and boa amerili bca but genetically they classed as bca, the parents of these wasn't 5ft and a nice golden colour they just starting to turn now
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I like this new thread! Loving all of the magnificent boas. I'll contribute, even if my recent pics aren't the best. Will try to get some better outside shots.
BCA Silverback (~8 months old) - First pic is blooper reel. Grass was a touch long and he kept his head down. Second pic perched inside enclosure is better. I really like his smashed X saddle which looks like a flying squirrel to me.
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Tarahumara (nearly 2 years old) - First pic the only very recent one. Her newest thing is to perch and hang her head down like she's waiting prey to run/fly by. Second pic was last fall.
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I've got what I consider my small and medium, now I get to pick my large this year. So, hoping to see some Peruvians posted in this thread...
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My Guyana has two x on his body too, awsome boas mate
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I've got what I consider my small and medium, now I get to pick my large this year. So, hoping to see some Peruvians posted in this thread...
You and me both. Very hard to come by and better hope you’re first in line if/when any are released for sale. I’m done for the most part with adding giant animals to the snake room here, maybe a male bco down the road someday... but I’d be lying if I said a good looking Pucallpa Peruvian weren’t welcome here.
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Good luck finding a Pucallpa, Nick_MD! They're probably one of my favorite BCs, though they're a tad too large for me to feel comfortable caring for by myself. If I do bring home a BC it'll probably be a North Brazil. Kuzco's breeder seems to have a litter on the way, and I'm mighty tempted...
BCOs and BCAs have also been tempting me for quite a while. If it weren't for their substantial adult size, I would 100% be saving for a very nice BCO right now, preferably a Maxx Pink line individual. BCOs are probably one of my greatest "nerd crush" snakes.
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Good luck finding a Pucallpa, Nick_MD! They're probably one of my favorite BCs, though they're a tad too large for me to feel comfortable caring for by myself. If I do bring home a BC it'll probably be a North Brazil. Kuzco's breeder seems to have a litter on the way, and I'm mighty tempted...
BCOs and BCAs have also been tempting me for quite a while. If it weren't for their substantial adult size, I would 100% be saving for a very nice BCO right now, preferably a Maxx Pink line individual. BCOs are probably one of my greatest "nerd crush" snakes.
I very genuinely appreciate the forethought you put into your serpent acquisitions, WrongPython. And not without good reason by any means. I think, based on my own experience, that you’d grow into a bcc or bco quite readily given your experiences with both of your boas.
I do not fault you by any stretch of the imagination for being weary though. I fully anticipate that my larger Boa critters could give me a reality check once they achieve terminal size/velocity, but am also hopeful and confident that I will continue to learn their mannerisms at that size and prevent/be prepared for any mishaps that may occur.
Definitely an apples to oranges comparison, but I find both of my Boas infinitely more manageable than either of the retics I’ve kept. Carpets much more agreeable with me without a doubt as well.
I wholeheartedly respect and admire your decision to keep animals that you find to be within the comfortable confines of your keeping abilities for both their benefit and your own. I wish we all, including myself sometimes, had such fortitude.
Prost! [emoji482][emoji216]
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Thanks for the kind words, jmcrook. :)
While I'm very tempted to leap into the world of larger snakes to keep those snakes/localities that really interest me, I'm also very mindful of that potential "reality check" and staying within my means for the next 20-30 years. The me of 20-30 years from now won't be as physically fit and able to handle a large, grumpy snake as well as the me of now. Since I'm looking to keep my snakes for at least 30 or so years (to match a colleague's personal age record with their oldest snake), that's quite a consideration. I think working with horses is what instilled the awareness of the "reality check" in me. Yes, they're sweet and manageable most of the time... but one bad moment is all it takes to seriously mess you up, if not worse.
While my python-keeping isn't as extensive as others', I'll agree that boas are generally more manageable than pythons. My little carpet (Pandora) is leagues faster than my fastest boa (Kuzco). Whereas Kuzco just actively slithers in the direction of something that interests him, Pandora can launch herself! Food for thought for those who may be debating taking up a boa versus a carpet for their first large (or larger) snake. Both are very rewarding snakes to keep and share your life with, but their overall manageability and is-this-the-best-snake-ness comes down to personal ability, experience, and preference.
On a tangential note, for readers who may be debating taking up a SD retic as your first python or larger snake: I would 100% recommend taking on (or working with) a carpet or centralian python first. If you can't handle a carpet or centralian, DO NOT get a retic! Retics of any size are advanced-level snakes. I was personally saving room for a pure SD retic a while back, but have since decided against it for multiple reasons.
Slàinte!
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I'm with you WrongPython, if I didn't mind an even bigger snake I'd have a BCO in a minute. White, black, pink, they make every color look amazing.
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I love dumeril boas there markings and colour are awsome[emoji7][emoji7].
Iove the white patch under the chin
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Such a stunner, nice long red tail
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Yay, I've updated the app and know I can upload pics
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I love the different head shapes in boas
Gomez my Guyana who is nearly 3 has started to get the the nice flat head and I also love his eyebrows
The corn island head is longer with hardly a head spear
Yet the longicauda has an extended head spear and a shorter muscle head
The bca( South Brazilian) are only small but they should have a fat head too.
The leoprd boa also has a short head these come from the sonoran boa and has there black eyes too
The motley boa bc (bci) head spear is quite distinct in appearance with the typical cross over the eyes, my female sunglow motley is still quite bright and shows up really well
All my boa morphs are all very different, some genes affect it more than others.
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:sweeet: I don't mind saying that you sure have such STUNNING boas! :bow: Thanks as always for sharing them here.
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:sweeet: I don't mind saying that you sure have such STUNNING boas! [emoji144] Thanks as always for sharing them here.
Thanks Bogertophis, much appreciated [emoji106][emoji106]
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Loving all the photos!
This is Bacon, my '08 hog isle boa, produced by Chad Duggin, he bred for color from the sears line
She wasn't happy about being disturbed for photos so they aren't very good shots, she was just too grumpy to be messed with for long today
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few missing scales on her nose, silly girl
You can notice how on a true hog isle the eye line marking drops down and stops at the mouth
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Rest of my boas are the common variety of various morphs.
This is Julie the Jungle Queen, '08 red group jungle, raised her from a baby
She was produced by Brian Logan from an EBV red group female and a Derek Yagi jungle het albino male, traced back to P. Kahl
she had her first litter for me last year and is recovering nicely
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A rare, for me, outside shot!
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and here's Jean Luc Picard, a little red group jungle produced by me, almost 2 years old now. From Kirk a red group jungle x Zahara my big pretty '98 pink girl
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Great pictures, AbsoluteApril! I was hoping you’d share some boas on here. All look amazing and I love the wild stripe pattern down the back of your holdback boy!
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Great pics April.
that hold back is a stunner for sure, great colour and markings.
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Love to see this thread keep going. Awesome boas everyone!
I already posted this guy, but he finally gave me a couple of decent outside pics.
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Warmest basking area is elevated in the new enclosures. Was curious to see where I’d find Mirabelle after feeding last night. Just got home and sure enough she’d climbed onto the shelf directly under the panel and temp gunned her at 86°. Ordinary she’d be on the floor directly over the heat tape in her previous enclosure.
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Postal coming in HOT!
I've always loved your Suri and the Dumes is really nice too.
That Suri is like 1/3 tail! Beautiful!
Richard, as always, top notch stuff.
April, very pretty boas. \
Good thread here.
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Caught Kuzco basking under his "happy light" today. He doesn't use his UV everyday -- much less for out-in-the-open basking -- but he does make use of it overall!
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I’m just posting to encourage you guys to continue posting. That’s all.
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I’m just posting to encourage you guys to continue posting. That’s all.
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Why you not posted yours yet Mr kam
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Dumeril’s is on my wish list!!
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Four days post feeding and found this boy perched and basking at 88-89°. Kinda looks like he may be entering a shed. Usually gravitates to the heat in that scenario, interesting to make observations about his choice of location in the enclosure with his heat source now above him vs below.
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Why you not posted yours yet Mr kam
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Cause me no have boas. [emoji30][emoji30][emoji30]
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Cause me no have boas. [emoji30][emoji30][emoji30]
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Sorry kam I thought you brought one
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Sorry kam I thought you brought one
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Not yet.
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My sunglow motley shed today, she's 2 next week, she's still got a lot of colour and I'm sure mum's hypo red pastel has a massive influence on her saturation , the lights in the snake room fade her out, she's really orange and peach in real Life
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All these amazing looking Boas being posted, my wallet is sweating right now. Being an adult with self control is hard when you love reptiles. :tears::tears:
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Heat panel has been at high temps for an hour and good ole Lenny made the commute from his arboreal roost to soak up some heat on his perches. Seems some of his more terrestrial habits may have been influenced by the location of his heat source. Love these animals!
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