White-lipped python

I was just wondering if anyone else on this forum has experience with this species. I just got this guy last week from JS Reptiles. He's a CH Northern (Sorong locality), estimated to be between 1-2 years old.

I have him in a large tub for now. Humidity is around 80-85% without misting. Basking temp is about 93, warm side is in the high 80s, cool side at around 79. Paper towels on one side, and some Reptichip on the other with a hide so he can feel secure. It's my attempt at a quarantine tub.

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I have no experience with them but they sure are gorgeous.

They talk about white lipped pythons a lot on Morelia Python Radio as Owen, one of the hosts, has kept them for a while. Did a search and here’s three episodes for sure that cover them. Seems they can be a pretty challenging/advanced species from what I can gather. Very interesting though.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000362561890

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000375022584

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000410440183


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They talk about white lipped pythons a lot on Morelia Python Radio as Owen, one of the hosts, has kept them for a while. Did a search and here’s three episodes for sure that cover them. Seems they can be a pretty challenging/advanced species from what I can gather. Very interesting though.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000362561890

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000375022584

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000410440183


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I'll be looking into these when I get out of work for sure. Thank you very much!

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You got yourself a stunner!

I keep one myself and I think your params sound ok. I’d drop the hot spot to about 90 and my guy seems to prefer the cool side and I keep the cool
side mid 70.

they can have bad sheds so def keep the humidity up there during shed time but doesn’t have to be 80s all the time.

what is the attitude like in yours ?

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You got yourself a stunner!

I keep one myself and I think your params sound ok. I’d drop the hot spot to about 90 and my guy seems to prefer the cool side and I keep the cool
side mid 70.

they can have bad sheds so def keep the humidity up there during shed time but doesn’t have to be 80s all the time.

what is the attitude like in yours ?

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I only held him briefly the day he came in the mail. He shot straight out of the bag and I had to scramble to grab him. Didn't get bit, but he was scared. The delivery guy was very rough with the package (even had it upside down...). Poor thing was stressed...but didn't musk me or try to bite. Just very flighty. He's been hiding away ever since.

I've left him alone for about a week now. I don't know when he'll be ready to eat for me, but I wanted to make sure he was doing so before I started handling him.

How long do you think I should expect to wait before he's interested in eating?

(And thank you for you kind words. I'm very excited to have him!)

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Please feel free to post lots of pictures!

Listening to the MPR episode with Ryan Young about white lipped pythons. VERY informative and thorough and worth a listen if you haven’t yet


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Oh man, those Sorongs are gorgeous! I, too, will be interested in his temperament once he’s settled. They can be feisty, but beautiful for sure! Congrats on an awesome pickup.

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Listening to the MPR episode with Ryan Young about white lipped pythons. VERY informative and thorough and worth a listen if you haven’t yet


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I did start listening to that one but didn't get too far yet (work-related chaos). If it's slower today I'll be finishing it then. I'm really looking forward to it.

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A quick check-in before work.He wasn't impressed [emoji28]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0cf9939c98.jpg

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Awesome critter mate. I've always found them intriguing and I'm very interested in watching his progression. Please keep us posted. I may have to move those WLPs up on my potential next critter list. :cool:

Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of the hide. :rofl:

Found this very informative write up as well.
Very cool species but likely a little too high strung for my tastes
https://www.coldbloodcreations.com/c...pages/wlp.html


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Awesome critter mate. I've always found them intriguing and I'm very interested in watching his progression. Please keep us posted. I may have to move those WLPs up on my potential next critter list. :cool:

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I've wanted one for a while now. I have three ball pythons and a KSB. Wanted to step it up a bit. (I'm also on a wait-list for a BRB, but I may save my spot for another year.)

I'm not sure exactly how old he is, but was told he was captive hatched. Seller estimated him to be between 1-2 years of age, and approximately 2 - 2.5 feet in length.

It's been a week, but he isn't too keen on me checking in on him (I accept that this may never change). I offered a small f/t rat pup last night while he was hiding away. He got scared, made a few little noises, then thrashed about before giving it one defensive strike. I left it in with him overnight and it was still there this morning.

I'll definitely post updates on his progression. Hopefully he starts eating for me soon.



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Found this very informative write up as well.
Very cool species but likely a little too high strung for my tastes
https://www.coldbloodcreations.com/c...pages/wlp.html


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Thank you for sharing the link

Definitely skittish. I heard it's typical for juveniles to be this way, and that they can mellow out with age.. I hope to work with him once he starts eating for me consistently.

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Hang in there. They all eat eventually :) . I've heard they cough up for balls. Is that true?

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Hang in there. They all eat eventually :) . I've heard they cough up for balls. Is that true?

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They do. A couple days or so after eating. I think the regularity of this happening varies, but it's common.

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Just an update (I posted this picture in another thread already, but I'll get new ones once he settles more):

Now that a week has passed since I got him, it seems like he's finally acclimating. I went to check on him last night, and he was perched up in his tree. He didn't bolt when he saw me, either.

Just for the hell of it, I offered him a f/t rat pup (scented with a chick) with tongs. He struck it numerous times, but didn't take it. I figured these were defensive strikes, so I left it in there with him while he did his own thing. It was still there this morning. I'm going to give him more time before offering again.

He did go to the bathroom last night and his stool was fairly small. Urates had a green tinge to them as well. I'm assuming stomach bile from not eating, combined with stress.

Because he was captive hatched and imported, I'd like to get a fecal done for him. I want to handle him as little as possible until he starts eating, but moving forward, I'll be weighing him regularly. I also lowered the temperatures a tad as suggested.

I'm still doing more research as I go. I have a 4'×2'×17" PVC ordered that will hopefully be coming in within the next couple months. Fingers crossed.
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Hopefully he eats for you soon. Keep updating us. I can't get enough of this little dude.

Have you talked to the seller? What was he eating for them and how often? I wouldn’t offer food too often. Once a week and try a smaller prey item as not to scare him.

is he surely captive bred? There seems to be few of those. If so you are lucky. A lot of “farm bred captives” which to me is just a marketing phrase.

Are you using a hook to approach? You will want to this animal is by far my most electric and I have a few that you’d say really more so than x and yes really.

thankfully my guy has always had an appetite unless in shed. Have you tried to soak him? Some warm water and I actually mix in the plain pedialyte. It may help him pass anything and hydrate.

They are not known to be the friendliest snake and usually get a bad rap. My guy runs, musks and will sometimes strike the hook once out and I let him run through my hands a few times he’s really not too bad. He’s never stuck at me but he does spook easy and flail a bit.

get a hook going and see how he does w the adjusted temps and a soak. Then offer some smaller food items and see how he does after you ask the former guy what he was feeding

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Have you talked to the seller? What was he eating for them and how often? I wouldn’t offer food too often. Once a week and try a smaller prey item as not to scare him.

is he surely captive bred? There seems to be few of those. If so you are lucky. A lot of “farm bred captives” which to me is just a marketing phrase.

Are you using a hook to approach? You will want to this animal is by far my most electric and I have a few that you’d say really more so than x and yes really.

thankfully my guy has always had an appetite unless in shed. Have you tried to soak him? Some warm water and I actually mix in the plain pedialyte. It may help him pass anything and hydrate.

They are not known to be the friendliest snake and usually get a bad rap. My guy runs, musks and will sometimes strike the hook once out and I let him run through my hands a few times he’s really not too bad. He’s never stuck at me but he does spook easy and flail a bit.

get a hook going and see how he does w the adjusted temps and a soak. Then offer some smaller food items and see how he does after you ask the former guy what he was feeding

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He isn't captive bred, but captive hatched. I had asked around to known breeders in search of CB, but of course, no availability. [emoji25] I got this one from JS Reptiles. A CH import from Indonesia.

I asked the seller what he was eating. I was told to offer either f/t or live adult mice or rat pups.

I haven't handled him since I put him in his tub (to allow him to de-stress). Happy to say that he didn't bite or mess on me when I held him that day, but I was very gentle with him. He just wanted to GO [emoji28] But I do have a hook, since I have other snakes. Just never needed to use it, but I know I will with this guy.

If needed, I'll do a soak if that'll help, or get him a live rodent. My other kids eat f/t rats, but whatever he'll take. I also have f/t chicks as well (quail and chicken). I'm not actually sure when the last time he ate was, but he is in good body condition, based on appearance. When I offer prey items, it's at night, in the dark, and ideally in a manner that he cannot see me. His tub is also covered partly in a blanket (to provide extra security, but to also allow for a day/night cycle). As little disturbance as possible

Maybe he just needs more time?

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How long since you’ve had him? I’d maybe wait him out and leave him alone for a little bit and try f/t again. Then live and/or avian prey if you’ve already got chicks on hand, or maybe scent a rodent with a chick when thawing. I’ve heard stories of older WC animals that would only eat birds, I think that’s mentioned in one of the podcasts I sent. Best of luck


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Joe Switalski always has great looking animals. You’re in for a fun challenge.

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How long since you’ve had him? I’d maybe wait him out and leave him alone for a little bit and try f/t again. Then live and/or avian prey if you’ve already got chicks on hand, or maybe scent a rodent with a chick when thawing. I’ve heard stories of older WC animals that would only eat birds, I think that’s mentioned in one of the podcasts I sent. Best of luck


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Thank you. He came in on May 27th, so it'll be 2 weeks tomorrow. I'm one of those people that usually buys from local breeders and wants to know everything before a purchase, so this is uncharted territory for me. In multiple ways [emoji38]

I scented the first rat I offered (thawed it with a chick) after waiting a week. He freaked out from under his hide, and I heard him making disapproving huffing noises....So I backed off.

I'll keep an eye on his weight and try it again in a week. If it doesn't take, I'll buy a live rodent and see if that works

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If the snake was eating f/t before I wouldn't resort to a live prey item yet. Keep offering f/t food every 10-14 days until he eats. I wouldn't try live until he gets to 3 or 4 months without eating.

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No experience with them but just wanted to say gratz on such a beautiful animal you have there.

Not the best picture, but I decided to hold him today, and this is how I was greeted. It didn't improve much from there [emoji28]

He saw the snake hook and started striking it, then made his move and shot straight up out of the tub. When I grabbed him to prevent this, he took a moment to process what was going on, and musked me.

I had a cat glove on one hand just for personal reassurance, since I assumed this would happen and was nervous.

When he realized he wasn't going anywhere, he stopped fighting my hold, struck the glove 2-3 times, then redirected these efforts to my face (of course).

He maintained this focus (defensive, striking pose, tracking my movements) until I put him back in his tub, and when I did, he started rattling his tail.


My impression? A lot stronger and faster than I expected.Definitely more intense than a ball python [emoji1787]
I do wonder if this will improve with time or not.

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Not the best picture, but I decided to hold him today, and this is how I was greeted. It didn't improve much from there [emoji28]

He saw the snake hook and started striking it, then made his move and shot straight up out of the tub. When I grabbed him to prevent this, he took a moment to process what was going on, and musked me.

I had a cat glove on one hand just for personal reassurance, since I assumed this would happen and was nervous.

When he realized he wasn't going anywhere, he stopped fighting my hold, struck the glove 2-3 times, then redirected these efforts to my face (of course).

He maintained this focus (defensive, striking pose) until I put him back in his tub, and when I did, he started rattling his tail.


My impression? A lot stronger and faster than I expected.Definitely more intense than a ball python [emoji1787]
I do wonder if this will improve with time or not.

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Wow! Sounds like you had quite the adventure with him. Hopefully he calms down for you but only time will tell. At least you have such a gorgeous animal.

What an adventure! Best wishes as he ages. My blood is my challenging one right now.

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Not the best picture, but I decided to hold him today, and this is how I was greeted. It didn't improve much from there [emoji28]

He saw the snake hook and started striking it, then made his move and shot straight up out of the tub. When I grabbed him to prevent this, he took a moment to process what was going on, and musked me.

I had a cat glove on one hand just for personal reassurance, since I assumed this would happen and was nervous.

When he realized he wasn't going anywhere, he stopped fighting my hold, struck the glove 2-3 times, then redirected these efforts to my face (of course).

He maintained this focus (defensive, striking pose, tracking my movements) until I put him back in his tub, and when I did, he started rattling his tail.


My impression? A lot stronger and faster than I expected.Definitely more intense than a ball python [emoji1787]
I do wonder if this will improve with time or not.

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He isn't captive bred, but captive hatched. I had asked around to known breeders in search of CB, but of course, no availability. [emoji25] I got this one from JS Reptiles. A CH import from Indonesia.

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How recently was he imported?

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How long since you’ve had him? I’d maybe wait him out and leave him alone for a little bit and try f/t again. Then live and/or avian prey if you’ve already got chicks on hand, or maybe scent a rodent with a chick when thawing. I’ve heard stories of older WC animals that would only eat birds, I think that’s mentioned in one of the podcasts I sent. Best of luck


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^ agreed

I have a few WC snakes. Some needed chicks/quail to start eating. You might need to leave it overnight and not move around the enclosure at all.

Instead of scenting, after he's been eating more reliably, offer a chick/quail then offer a rat (or if you need to leave them overnight, leave both). Then switch to just rats after a successful times. That has worked for me.

In my experience, you may need to switch back to chicks/quail at times to get them feeding again, and it'll restart the process over. Maybe you could starve them out, but chicks/quail aren't too hard to find, so it doesn't bother me.

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I'm not 100% sure, to be honest.

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^ agreed

I have a few WC snakes. Some needed chicks/quail to start eating. You might need to leave it overnight and not move around the enclosure at all.

Instead of scenting, after he's been eating more reliably, offer a chick/quail then offer a rat (or if you need to leave them overnight, leave both). Then switch to just rats after a successful times. That has worked for me.

In my experience, you may need to switch back to chicks/quail at times to get them feeding again, and it'll restart the process over. Maybe you could starve them out, but chicks/quail aren't too hard to find, so it doesn't bother me.

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I have 1-day old chickens and button quail chicks. Not sure if the former would be too large for him. Did your snakes take some time as well before accepting food?



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I have 1-day old chickens and button quail chicks. Not sure if the former would be too large for him. Did your snakes take some time as well before accepting food?



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Day old chicks would not be too big.

No, once I offered birds (after a few failed rat attempts), they started eating.

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Day old chicks would not be too big.

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Okay, perfect. Yeah, I wasn't sure. I haven't gotten a weight on him yet, but he's about 2-2.5 feet long.

It's only been 2 weeks that I've had him, as of today. And I have plenty of chicks stocked in my freezer. Whatever works

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I decided to name him Jekyll. I'd say it's appropriate.

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Great name! :D

Nice name :gj:

I like his name too. He's stunning. I almost named my scrub Hyde but went with Kluass :). I wouldn't change anything if it's only been a couple of weeks since he's eaten. That's basically 1 or 2 refusals. If he gets to 3 months without eating then I'd try a live feeder or different prey type. You're going to want him on rats at some point soon, and he was eating them before, so why go through the fight twice? He'll eat eventually. They ALWAYS do. I'll admit that I have given stubborn feeders a prey type they prefer over rats. My Bredli, who normally eats medium rats, won't touch them after his winter fast which usually lasts 2-3 months. I'll offer him a jumbo mouse and he'll snap it right up. I'll keep offering him small or medium rats biweekly. If he refuses twice I'll give him a jumbo mouse. I'll offer him rats again for 2-3 feedings, if he refuses 3 times I'll give him another mouse. After that I only offer rats for the next two months. He usually gets with the program during this time. If he doesn't then he can get a jumbo mouse every 2-3 months. It's his choice. My motto is, the hunger ALWAYS wins. All my other snakes eat anything I throw at them. I guess there's always one. Hang in there.

Edit: Or you can feed him 5 jumbo mice every 10-14 days.

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I like his name too. He's stunning. I almost named my scrub Hyde but went with Kluass :). I wouldn't change anything if it's only been a couple of weeks since he's eaten. That's basically 1 or 2 refusals. If he gets to 3 months without eating then I'd try a live feeder or different prey type. You're going to want him on rats at some point soon, and he was eating them before, so why go through the fight twice? He'll eat eventually. They ALWAYS do. I'll admit that I have given stubborn feeders a prey type they prefer over rats. My Bredli, who normally eats medium rats, won't touch them after his winter fast which usually lasts 2-3 months. I'll offer him a jumbo mouse and he'll snap it right up. I'll keep offering him small or medium rats biweekly. If he refuses twice I'll give him a jumbo mouse. I'll offer him rats again for 2-3 feedings, if he refuses 3 times I'll give him another mouse. After that I only offer rats for the next two months. He usually gets with the program during this time. If he doesn't then he can get a jumbo mouse every 2-3 months. It's his choice. My motto is, the hunger ALWAYS wins. All my other snakes eat anything I throw at them. I guess there's always one. Hang in there.

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Speaking of your Scrub and Bredli... we are getting picture this weekend, right? :D

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LOL, it's funny that you should mention that. Yesterday morning I decided to take Klauss the Scrub out of his enclosure and let him stretch out on the 4x2x6 pvc jungle gym I have for the snakes that like to climb. This was a first in a couple of ways. It was the 1st time I've removed him from his cage without gloves. I always use a hook and then remove the gloves once he calms down. It was also the 1st time I've allowed him to climb to the top of the jungle gym which is right at eye level. Getting a scrub, or carpet, off of any perch can be quite a challenge. I thought it was going great until he just opened up and musked EVERYWHERE!! He never attempted to strike as I wrestled him off, and he wasn't hard to put back in his cage, which was great. I used the tshirt I was wearing to clean off the pvc and floor, threw it in the trash, and tossed my shorts and socks in the wash. Needless to say he won't be playing on the jungle gym anytime soon. He may still make this weekend's photo shoot if the weather is nice. :)

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I like his name too. He's stunning. I almost named my scrub Hyde but went with Kluass :). I wouldn't change anything if it's only been a couple of weeks since he's eaten. That's basically 1 or 2 refusals. If he gets to 3 months without eating then I'd try a live feeder or different prey type. You're going to want him on rats at some point soon, and he was eating them before, so why go through the fight twice? He'll eat eventually. They ALWAYS do. I'll admit that I have given stubborn feeders a prey type they prefer over rats. My Bredli, who normally eats medium rats, won't touch them after his winter fast which usually lasts 2-3 months. I'll offer him a jumbo mouse and he'll snap it right up. I'll keep offering him small or medium rats biweekly. If he refuses twice I'll give him a jumbo mouse. I'll offer him rats again for 2-3 feedings, if he refuses 3 times I'll give him another mouse. After that I only offer rats for the next two months. He usually gets with the program during this time. If he doesn't then he can get a jumbo mouse every 2-3 months. It's his choice. My motto is, the hunger ALWAYS wins. All my other snakes eat anything I throw at them. I guess there's always one. Hang in there.

Edit: Or you can feed him 5 jumbo mice every 10-14 days.

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You're probably right, but there is something very relieving about getting a new snake to eat, and if it takes a bird, I wouldn't be opposed.

Had a successful (but brief) handling session today, and I'm happy to say it was a complete contrast to our last one. No biting, no thrashing, no musking. He was skittish/fearful coming out with the hook, but no real defensive displays. [emoji3060]

I do think he's getting ready to go into shed, but I may be wrong. I'm just happy to handle my snake- and finally get some better pictureshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8b3341e879.jpg

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Any update ...?

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Still hasn't eaten for me.

I was going to offer tonight, but he definitely looks like he's going into shed...was definitely not in the mood to deal with me when I was checking his humidity and temps.

Last week I offered a f/t, 1 day old chick. Waited until around 9pm, as usual. Warmed up with hair dryer (in the same room), temp gun to confirm temp, brained it, offered it to him as he hid inside his hide. I offer the food from an angle so that he can't see me, as the hide is facing the wall. I moved it around directly outside the hide entrance, and he struck it (defensively?). Warmed it again and did the same routine, and nothing. Left it in the spot overnight, nothing.

Temps are good, humidity is at around 85% right now.

When I'm warming the feeders up, he definitely doesn't beg or show interest like my other snakes do. But they take food without any need for coercion. I just don't want to stress him out if his reactions are purely defensive, which they seem to be. Maybe it's my approach, or because he was getting ready to go into shed.

I do wonder if he might need a live rat fuzzy (or the like) to get him kick-started. He's still young, so I do worry about him not eating. Haven't had to offer live before, but I'll do it if it means he'll eat. But, maybe he'll have an appetite after he sheds. I guess we'll see.

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I wouldn't jump to live. If he's going into shed, that'll definitely be a cause for not eating. I'd say leave him be, wait until he sheds, and try again.

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I wouldn't jump to live. If he's going into shed, that'll definitely be a cause for not eating. I'd say leave him be, wait until he sheds, and try again.

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I agree with wnateg. After a shed my bp attacks his rat like he's never eaten in his life, hopefully it's the same for Jekyll.

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I agree with wnateg. After a shed my bp attacks his rat like he's never eaten in his life, hopefully it's the same for Jekyll.

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Thank you both. I get this way with each of my snakes until they eat for me for the first time. Never had one go this long, or show zero interest in eating. New-snake jitters. [emoji23]

I'm hoping this is why he isn't eating. All my others become ravenous beasts after they shed. Hopefully he follows suit.

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I snuck a peek. Humidity is solid, so I hope he doesn't have any difficulties. He's been in hiding the past couple of nights, and pushed the substrate out of the hide like that himself.

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