New BP and tub temps.

A few weeks ago I was offered a bp by my husbands coworker. They are moving on April 25th and need it gone by then. I sat down and did research on owning, and caring for ball pythons. I read articles, watched videos and joined Facebook groups (which turned out to be a mistake). As I educated myself I found that the snake I was being offered was in a :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: hole of an environment. Living in a tank with another bp, 1 hide, a water bowl, screen top, a dome with a regular ass light bulb for heat. I knew I had to get him quicker than originally planned. I put a tub together and spent a couple of days working on the humidity and temps, Trying to stabilize everything before I put him in. I managed to get the humidity to stay between 53-57% but there’s issues with maintaining temps. I picked him up last night even though my temps are 100% where they should be, but anything his better than where he has been kept. I have a 60qt flat tub, that I have lined the outside with the aluminum tape to darken the tub. A 16w uth on a VE-100 thermostat. 2 digital acurite humidity and temp monitors, placed on both ends of the tub. Cool side reads 55% humidity and 77f temp. Hot side reads 53% humidity and 78f temp. The ambient temp in my room is 69-71f. This morning I added a small space heater around the tub, and it was bringing the hot side temps to 88f before I kicked it off. I threw a blanket over some of the warm side to see if it helped maintain temps. It didn’t, shortly afterwards it was falling back into the high 70’s. Will insulating the outside of the tub help maintain proper ambient temps? Like using great foam and thin insulation board. I’m struggling on how to do this without heating my whole living room or running a heater 24/7. Can a small heater be put on a timer/thermostat? I feel kinda :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:ty for picking him up before I sorted all the issues, but he’s better here, even with my current temp issues. Thanks y’all.

It sounds like you don´t have a very reliable thermostat. Your temps are all over the place.

I have a VE-100 thermostat that is hooked to a UTH. I was under the impression that UTH did not affect ambient temps. My improper temps is what I’m seeking advice on. They aren’t all over the place. They are in the high 70 with out a space heater. With a space heater once I get the temps good I can’t maintain them properly. The thermostat on the uth should have anything to do with maintaining ambient temps.

Where is the thermostat probe located? And how much of the tub does the uth cover?

Between the heat mat and tub. How does the heat mat and thermostat affect the ambient temp issue I am having? It covers roughly a 1/3rd if it. Everything I’ve heard says a uth does not help ambient temps.

Because your cool side temps are fine. Your hot spot is not, and the uth provides the heat for the hot spot.

BPs thermoregulate, they pick what temp they like and the ambient temp (the temp IN BETWEEN or room temperature, just like if you were to sit on a heater or in front of a fan vs. just the room temperature if that makes sense.) is determined by the difference in temps from the hot spot and cool side.

My hotspot belly temps are fine. It is the ambient temperature inside the tub as a whole that is low on the hot side of the tub. I am new to this but I do understand there is a difference in belly heat and ambient temps inside the enclosure. Do you have a recommendation on how I can insulate the tub and maintain AMBIENT temps inside the tub?

What is your hot spot at?

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Originally Posted by Punkgirl

Hot side reads 53% humidity and 78f temp.

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There´s your problem. Your UTH is not set hot enough. It needs to be at 90-92f. Your hotspot is not ¨fine.¨

I must also note you SHOULD HAVE WAITED before getting this ball python because all you are doing is creating more stress for it. Always have your husbandry dialed in before getting a reptile. But your BP cannot thermoregulate since there is only a ONE DEGREE DIFFERENCE between the hotspot and cold side. Being able to thermoregulate is a NECESSITY.

I also would not recommend a 60qt tub as a permanent enclosure.

OP, 77-78° are the ambient of cool and warm sides respectively? What does the bottom of the tub read directly over the hot spot?

Vivi, you’re offering a lot of advice/info as someone that does not and has not ever owned a snake. Curious how you’re qualifying or substantiating any of the claims you’re making. I speak as someone who has kept snakes for 25yrs


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OP, 77-78° are the ambient of cool and warm sides respectively? What does the bottom of the tub read directly over the hot spot?

Vivi, you’re offering a lot of advice/info as someone that does not and has not ever owned a snake. Curious how you’re qualifying or substantiating any of the claims you’re making. I speak as someone who has kept snakes for 25yrs

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I know. But 78 degrees is too cold for a hotspot, I know that. Is anything I am saying incorrect?

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Originally Posted by vivi

I know. But 78 degrees is too cold for a hotspot, I know that. Is anything I am saying incorrect?

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The OP said hot SIDE, not hot SPOT. Hence why I asked for clarification in the first two sentences of my post.

I do appreciate that you seem to be doing your research in advance of procuring your first snake. But dishing out advice in numerous threads based off of a small amount of research vs hands on real life experience as a keeper is comparing apples to oranges.

Not trying to be harsh, just telling it how it is.

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Originally Posted by jmcrook

The OP said hot SIDE, not hot SPOT. Hence why I asked for clarification in the first sentence of my post

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Good point. I guess I was confused because of the abundance of info in OP´s intial post. (I understand, though.) I asked where the probe was to clarify if the probe was actually reading and regulating the temps right, which it seems to be doing. For ambient temps... A CHE or RHP could help to provide overhead heat. I´m still not super clear on what the ambient temps are in her enclosure vs what the surface temps are.

I understand you are not trying to be harsh, I´m not offended in any way. I was just confused, I thought she was providing no thermoregulation...

I was having the same issue, my hot spot was good (90 degrees read UNDER the substrate) but my ambient temp was too low ( around 74 degrees around the tub). I added another heatpad and thermostat to the cool side of my tub and set it to 79/80 degrees. Barely changed my ambient temp, lesson learned.

Purchased a oil filled heater(one without a digital thermostat) and a ranco thermostat for the oil filled heater. Placed the ranco thermostat probe inside the tub, kind of just hanging near the cooler side. Set the ranco to 80/81 degrees and fixed my ambient temperature issue. Now the heatpad/thermostat I had on the cool side is pointless because it doesn't even turn on due to my ambient temp being 80 degrees all the time.