2019 0.1 Rockhampton Coastal Carpet Python Progression

My first venture into the Morelia club.
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This girl was produced by Michael Pennell at Python in a Pear Tree and hatched 5/25/2019. Michael’s breeding pair was produced by Paul Harris of U.K. Pythons and imported by Nick Mutton in the late 2000s.
Nick, Michael, and a friend of theirs were the first three in the USA to obtain Rockhampton locality coastal carpets. I believe that original group of animals imported to the US was hatched around 2006-07. So the parents are currently 12-13yrs old, F2 cbb, making the 2019 hatchies F3 cbb.
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Mom in a 41qt tub for scale reference.
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Dad.
Both Nick and Michael seem to say this northern locality stays a bit smaller than other coastal carpets, reaching around 7’ give or take. Also lighter bodied when compared to southern localities like Brisbane.
Without further ado, here is the newest member of the herd at my place.
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Typical baby carpet attitude. Bit me probably at least 9 times before I got her into her tub but didn’t even break the skin. She’s in shed so probably won’t attempt a first feeding until she completes shed cycle. Was told she’s on large mice pinks and can move up to fuzzies soon.
Super pumped to finally be working with Morelia. I feel like this decision was overdue by about 15yrs haha



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Congrats!!! Super cool pickup :gj:

We hopped on to the morellia train at the same time! I'm already wishing I got on years ago too!

My Bredli girl has the typical hatchling attitude too, but at 35 grams I'm fine letting her get it out of her system now, hahahaha.

Congrats again! I'll be looking forward to watching your girl progress.

What a beautiful little nipper you've got there. Looks like she'll be lots of fun! :D

Beautiful carpet JMC. M. Penn is one of the best in the biz when it comes to Morelia. Carpets are my favorite snake species and I believe you'll really enjoy keeping her. I'm surprised she's on mice pinkys though. They can usually take fuzzys out of the egg.

Thanks y’all! She’s a pistol for sure but her bites are downright comical. Not worried about working through that phase of hatchling life. I like the challenge honestly.

I agree Ziggy. Was kinda surprised to hear she was on large pinkies but she is a surprisingly thin build. I got 10 pinks and 10 fuzzies earlier this evening and at a glance I’d say the fuzzies look like they’d leave a significant food bump. Some of the pinks look pretty small though. Michael said if they leave a small bump I could giver her two but he’d hate for the fuzzies to be too large. I trust his judgment.

She’s curled up in her warm hide all day. Imagine she’ll stay shacked up until she sheds and then I’ll offer a meal.


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Beautiful baby. I love the Morelia - their looks, their attitude, their activity level, just everything about them. And I agree with the rest of you that I wish I'd gotten one much sooner. I was a little intimidated by them (husbandry, handling, everything) for some reason. But my feisty little guy has been a real delight.

Looking forward to seeing how yours doing in future. I got mine from Riley Jimison, who has been great to work with. I guess I will add that I have to agree with El-Ziggy that being on pinkys is a little surprising - my male was also on fuzzies right away.

She's a beauty.

Keep us up to date, especially on her first feeding, and how her attitude progresses.

Great new addition, hope they chill out for you

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She's a beauty.

Keep us up to date, especially on her first feeding, and how her attitude progresses.

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Will do, partner! Yafe has been looking great in his recent pics by the way, glad he’s been doing well with you!


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I’m sure that you will be pleased with your fine choice. For me, Coastals are a satisfying breed to work with. I hope that you find the same.

My first Coastal, Lizzy is from Mike as well. I’ve only talked with him on the phone even though he is only a few miles from me. One of these days I’ll get by to see him and his setup.

I look forward to updates on your new girl. Congrats! :)

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Thank you, Richard! She had just taken a very long and, to her, unexpected car ride when getting ready to take a nap and change clothes lol! I’d be pissy if I were her too [emoji23]


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I’m sure that you will be pleased with your fine choice. For me, Coastals are a satisfying breed to work with. I hope that you find the same.

My first Coastal, Lizzy is from Mike as well. I’ve only talked with him on the phone even though he is only a few miles from me. One of these days I’ll get by to see him and his setup.

I look forward to updates on your new girl. Congrats! :)

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No kidding?! That’s cool, Man. I’d try to go check out what he’s got going on if I had the chance. That sounds like a blast!


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Thank you, Richard! She had just taken a very long and, to her, unexpected car ride when getting ready to take a nap and change clothes lol! I’d be pissy if I were her too [emoji23]


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I've heard it's a Carpet thing as well, especially when young. I lucked out with Yafe in that sense, as he's been chill since day 1, but he was 1 year old when I got him and had been chill according to the breeder, for some time. I get an occasional hiss, but never a bite attempt and he calms down once he's out and about and not being taken off his perch!

You have plenty of time to work with her before she can do damage and I imagine she will calm down pretty quick. Keep us posted.

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I've heard it's a Carpet thing as well, especially when young. I lucked out with Yafe in that sense, as he's been chill since day 1, but he was 1 year old when I got him and had been chill according to the breeder, for some time. I get an occasional hiss, but never a bite attempt and he calms down once he's out and about and not being taken off his perch!

You have plenty of time to work with her before she can do damage and I imagine she will calm down pretty quick. Keep us posted.

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Exactly. Michael even said this clutch is pretty nippy but they calm right down and pretty quickly. She’s only like 5 months old too


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I forgot to mention that I've read Carpets like "bigger prey." It's supposed to help their feeding response and ambush response. If temps are correct, it should not be an issue down the road. I've seen Yafe take down the same prey size as Feliz (BCC) at 25% smaller weight. Feliz was eating weaned rats (about 40G) at 375G and Yafe at 300G. Boas like and should be fed smaller prey, but Carpets can handle bigger items and seem to enjoy it.

Having said that, get her eating well on what she's been fed before you start with the bigger items, IMO.

When Yafe was getting over his RI, and was reluctant to eat, I offered a bigger prey item finally and he nailed it. Not sure if that's what did it, but I've been giving larger prey items since and he's doing great.

Wow and congratulations, what a beautiful looking head on that girl. Simply stunning, best of luck.

Late to the thread but one of the first to know👍

Congrats brother 😊

Congrats and welcome to the club JMCROOK! I'm sure you will find carpets are a little more rewarding than the reitcs. What is she going to be housed in once she is done with QT? I love watching mine arboreal hunting.

Congrats from another morelia brother :gj:

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Thanks, Gio! Not one of the first, but THE first to know lol

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Congrats and welcome to the club JMCROOK! I'm sure you will find carpets are a little more rewarding than the reitcs. What is she going to be housed in once she is done with QT? I love watching mine arboreal hunting.

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Thanks, temp! She’ll honestly probably be in the tub for a while. She’s so small I think she’d be a bit overwhelmed with much more space than this. She was in a 4ish qt tub at the breeder and this tub is 12qts. Regardless, she’ll do a bit of growing out in an AP T8 once I get boas moved into a divided T25. Not as much height as I’d like but I’ve got time to plan her forever home. One option is half of my behemoth cage 48x32x24. I’d like to give her at least 4x2x2.

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Thanks, Ricky! Was just looking at your Bredli thread last night.



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My first venture into the Morelia club.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...722c711c74.jpg breeder pic
This girl was produced by Michael Pennell at Python in a Pear Tree and hatched 5/25/2019. Michael’s breeding pair was produced by Paul Harris of U.K. Pythons and imported by Nick Mutton in the late 2000s.
Nick, Michael, and a friend of theirs were the first three in the USA to obtain Rockhampton locality coastal carpets. I believe that original group of animals imported to the US was hatched around 2006-07. So the parents are currently 12-13yrs old, F2 cbb, making the 2019 hatchies F3 cbb.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2116fbfce1.jpg
Mom in a 41qt tub for scale reference.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5bc6b3134e.jpg
Dad.
Both Nick and Michael seem to say this northern locality stays a bit smaller than other coastal carpets, reaching around 7’ give or take. Also lighter bodied when compared to southern localities like Brisbane.
Without further ado, here is the newest member of the herd at my place.
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Typical baby carpet attitude. Bit me probably at least 9 times before I got her into her tub but didn’t even break the skin. She’s in shed so probably won’t attempt a first feeding until she completes shed cycle. Was told she’s on large mice pinks and can move up to fuzzies soon.
Super pumped to finally be working with Morelia. I feel like this decision was overdue by about 15yrs haha



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I wish I had my phone with me last night. Jewel was all perched up similar to this picture. This shot is a couple of years old.
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She's much bigger now but I think she's topped off. She hasn't shed in ages.

You will really enjoy your full time cage with that one.

Carpets are great display snakes.

Not as active as retics, but you will see them doing something on most days.

I'm honored to have been the first to know brother!

Welcome to Team Morelia.

Glad to have you on board!


Also, I'd love to see more pictures of your snake.

Honestly I feel like Aussie pythons are different than all of other pythons. They, IMO seem actually social.

Once theses guys are acclimated to their new environment, they seem to adjust and thrive.

Once I scored my Coastal , I was not able to pick a favorite snake here. I was completely dedicated to my locality boa.

I think the perfect collection is a mix of boas and carpets.

JM scored here and he as a LOCALITY snake. which is very rare in the carpet world

There are very few breeders that focus on the Mother Nature animals.

JM, you have something special!

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Honestly I feel like Aussie pythons are different than all of other pythons. They, IMO seem actually social.

Once theses guys are acclimated to their new environment, they seem to adjust and thrive.

Once I scored my Coastal , I was not able to pick a favorite snake here. I was completely dedicated to my locality boa.

I think the perfect collection is a mix of boas and carpets.

JM scored here and he as a LOCALITY snake. which is very rare in the carpet world

There are very few breeders that focus on the Mother Nature animals.

JM, you have something special!

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That’s exactly why I picked her, Gio. Even though I don’t have any immediate aspirations of breeding my animals I’ve come to greatly appreciate “Mother Nature’s” paint jobs in recent years. There’s something special to me about keeping an animal that is very close to its representation in the wild that strikes a chord with me.
Makes me think back to how things were when I started keeping ~25yrs ago when you could only get normals and maybe albinos of any given species. I still think morphs/mutations are amazing but have shifted my personal focus to keeping more locality specific animals.
As I’m typing this she’s coming out of her hide, hopefully to shed, as her eyes have cleared up. Will post more pics soon post shed/first feeding


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You have a locality Poki, Suri and now this girl.
I'm impressed!

Quick perch pic while changing her water and paper towels right now. Eyes are clear but still no shed
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She's gonna look great after her shed. Should be nice and hungry too!

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Quick perch pic while changing her water and paper towels right now. Eyes are clear but still no shed
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I love to look up pictures of carpets in their natural, or in some cases, man made environments.

You'll see them perched in trees, hanging off gutters on a home and up in the structure beams of a tin shed.

They seem to adapt well to change and their are a fair amount of folks from "Down Under" that actually appreciate having these guys around their homes from what I've read. Free pest control!

This would be pretty cool to see right out of your door.

https://indianexpress.com/article/tr...right-to-mate/


Seeing your girl perched made me think of this for some reason!

First shed and first feed in the books tonight. This girl is going to do well here.
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Oh yeah! She's off to a great start! I hope it only gets better. I just noticed her sweet head stamp too!

Got two meals down the hatch now with no problems. Decided to handle her for a couple minutes when I changed her paper towels just now. Bit/struck at me probably another 15 times but only landed a handful and still hasn’t broken the skin. Downright comical. So full of hatred for me but I think it’s cute. She’ll calm down with time I’m sure.
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It's funny when they hiss like that,when they that little.
really cute tho

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It's funny when they hiss like that,when they that little.
really cute tho

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No hissing actually. Just fast, repetitive strikes anytime I so much as moved a finger near her head. She’s so adorable lol. I think I might name her Sally Jo... [emoji848] my paternal grandmother’s first name and my sister in law’s middle name. Open to suggestions/feedback.


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Took her third meal a few days ago and have handled her the last two nights. Pretty high strung but seems to do better when hooked out of her tub and then get my hand underneath her. Only landed maybe 2 strikes tonight out of 4-5 shots at me.
I already want all the other Morelia now...
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Ha!

I knew you’d like the species.

Sounds like we're having similar adventures with our first journeys into morellia.

Fernie has 3 meals in her and is currently in her first shed cycle with me. As of last night her eyes looked like they were just starting to clear, so a few days still.

She was the same way her first 2 handling sessions. Struck at anything that moved, probably landed 10-12 her first two nights, one actually drew blood, hahaha. It's hilarious! Her last few handling sessions were worlds apart and she's seemed to realize she doesn't need to bite EVERYTHING. She's taken a few random strikes, but I feel like she's already "turned the first corner" so to speak. I'm happy to let her get it out of her system now while it's still cute though!

I can't wait to see her all shiny and new!!! I'll update Fernie's thread post shed.

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Sounds like we're having similar adventures with our first journeys into morellia.

Fernie has 3 meals in her and is currently in her first shed cycle with me. As of last night her eyes looked like they were just starting to clear, so a few days still.

She was the same way her first 2 handling sessions. Struck at anything that moved, probably landed 10-12 her first two nights, one actually drew blood, hahaha. It's hilarious! Her last few handling sessions were worlds apart and she's seemed to realize she doesn't need to bite EVERYTHING. She's taken a few random strikes, but I feel like she's already "turned the first corner" so to speak. I'm happy to let her get it out of her system now while it's still cute though!

I can't wait to see her all shiny and new!!! I'll update Fernie's thread post shed.

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Sounds like you’re having fun too! I’ve definitely found that approaching her with a closed fist vs extended fingers minimizes her striking. Still a nervous, high strung baby either way. But even over 3-4 handling sessions she’s calmed down at least a little.

I caught her in arboreal hunting position the other night on her perches. Way cool! I think I’ll eventually move her and my Suriname into the two halves of my giant 8’x32”x24” cage and give the Argentine Boa the 6’x2.5’x1.5’ cage. If the argie gets big enough to need an 8’ cage then I’ll get another at least 4x2x2 for the carpet, put Leonard in the 6’, and Mirabelle in the huge 8 footer.

That will be plenty of time to plan around all of that considering how slow boas grow. I sat in my snake room for a good bit last night just picturing how I’ll divide and decorate the big cages again. Either way, she’ll do a bit of growing out in half a T8 once I get a divider for the T25 and move the boas in there



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Sounds like you’re having fun too! I’ve definitely found that approaching her with a closed fist vs extended fingers minimizes her striking. Still a nervous, high strung baby either way. But even over 3-4 handling sessions she’s calmed down at least a little.

I caught her in arboreal hunting position the other night on her perches. Way cool! I think I’ll eventually move her and my Suriname into the two halves of my giant 8’x32”x24” cage and give the Argentine Boa the 6’x2.5’x1.5’ cage. If the argie gets big enough to need an 8’ cage then I’ll get another at least 4x2x2 for the carpet, put Leonard in the 6’, and Mirabelle in the huge 8 footer.

That will be plenty of time to plan around all of that considering how slow boas grow. I sat in my snake room for a good bit last night just picturing how I’ll divide and decorate the big cages again. Either way, she’ll do a bit of growing out in half a T8 once I get a divider for the T25 and move the boas in there



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Oh I'm definitely head over heels in love with morellia already. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but since bringing her home I may only add arboreal/semi-arboreal species moving forward. It's such a cool change from the rest of the crew.

Feeding while they're perched is so cool too. It's so fascinating to see the differences between terrestrial species.

I've been picturing her "forever enclosure" in my mind too, I'm so stoked to set it up.... eventually, hahaha. I think I'll go 6*2*2, even though it'll likely be more than she'll ever need. But if she'll use the room I'll give it to her.

So far I've had some luck with sliding my hand under her all flattened out when approaching. So all my fingers are tucked in tight and my hand is perfectly flat. I actually go in palm down and she seems ok with it. I think we're essentially accomplishing the same thing with our fingers tucked in.

I wish I got into morellia sooner, that's for sure!!!

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Took her third meal a few days ago and have handled her the last two nights. Pretty high strung but seems to do better when hooked out of her tub and then get my hand underneath her. Only landed maybe 2 strikes tonight out of 4-5 shots at me.
I already want all the other Morelia now...
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Whoa!! Hold on here.

I didn't see any photos when I checked from my phone earlier.
This adds a little more to comment on.

First off, I totally dig the pattern. I like how contrasty he is even at this young age.

Secondly, I love the size at that age. They are super entertaining because they climb and you sometimes find them in places you would never think they'd be.

My guy on his first night here.

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The size reminds me of my girl back in the day.
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You made a great choice!

Thanks, Gio! I actually came across those pics last night cruising old threads on here. I don’t think I had ever seen pics of Jewel that young. Super cool!

Just got home and found the new girl (I think I may have settled on Sally Jo as her name) up in her perches in ambush mode. I love it!

Can’t wait to get her in an enclosure with better visibility. I’m already playing mental Tetris in my snake room thinking, “where/how can I fit a bredli, and a Brisbane, and an inland, and... oh boy” [emoji23]
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Thanks, Gio! I actually came across those pics last night cruising old threads on here. I don’t think I had ever seen pics of Jewel that young. Super cool!

Just got home and found the new girl (I think I may have settled on Sally Jo as her name) up in her perches in ambush mode. I love it!

Can’t wait to get her in an enclosure with better visibility. I’m already playing mental Tetris in my snake room thinking, “where/how can I fit a bredli, and a Brisbane, and an inland, and... oh boy” [emoji23]
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Boy I screwed up on my post. Poor grammar, and I called my GIRL a guy at one point and also referred to your girl as a guy.

I love the last pictures you posted.

They really like to climb and perch.

This tiny little worm pisses like every day for 3-4days starting two days after feeding. Which actually is kinda positive for helping her get used to interactions it seems. While cleaning her tub just now she only took a single shot at the heat lamp and one bluff at my hand, nowhere close to landing either.

Had her out 3-4minutes, began to curiously cruise my hands and then put her up. She’ll spaz a bit getting back on her perches almost every time though. I may get her a specialty enclosure design 3-D printed perch as they have more texture than plastic coat hanger MacGuyver perches. Or wrap some twine around her current perch setup. Could be more secure feeling.


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This tiny little worm pisses like every day for 3-4days starting two days after feeding. Which actually is kinda positive for helping her get used to interactions it seems. While cleaning her tub just now she only took a single shot at the heat lamp and one bluff at my hand, nowhere close to landing either.

Had her out 3-4minutes, began to curiously cruise my hands and then put her up. She’ll spaz a bit getting back on her perches almost every time though. I may get her a specialty enclosure design 3-D printed perch as they have more texture than plastic coat hanger MacGuyver perches. Or wrap some twine around her current perch setup. Could be more secure feeling.


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JM, the twine is a great idea and the 2nd least expensive option. I have twine in the retic cage and it works well and looks good. It makes a sterile looking wood perch look somewhat natural.

You can see it here. This is one of those fence posts we chatted about way back.
https://i.imgur.com/DyOEGx0.jpg

There is also the fake vine option. More expensive but pretty neat looking.
https://i.imgur.com/e1ukMN7.jpg?1

Of course there is nothing like the real thing, and its free! I did staple in some fake plant leaves to spice it up.
https://i.imgur.com/lxrmwC3.jpg

At this point, I assume you are just jazzing up the current cage for her?

Once you start getting her "big girl" cage set up, I recommend a combo of real and fake perches.

I haven't had any bugs or other issues with the real branches. I usually spray them with a warm, soapy water rinse while lying flat. The soap solution usually stops the breathing of most insects. I let it sit, then rinse it all with scalding hot water.

The tree trunk in Wallace's cage actually sat in our basement for a year before it was ever used. Same thing with the branches in the boa and carpet cage.

I'm excited to see what you'll have for a final setup!

Yeah, just kinda thinking of twine for some perch security/tactile enrichment. Can’t really do anything for her big cage until I shuffle the boas around. Never heard back from AP about dividers and shelves for T25 so I’ll either see if my other cage guy can make parts for me or make them myself. I really just want black pvc so everything matches.

As soon as the boas move out of the T8 she’ll get half of that until she puts on some size. Part of me also wants to get a short rack system with 15 & 32qt tubs to grow her out in. Then I’d have grow out space for inevitable future additions lol. Gonna think on that though


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Yeah, just kinda thinking of twine for some perch security/tactile enrichment. Can’t really do anything for her big cage until I shuffle the boas around. Never heard back from AP about dividers and shelves for T25 so I’ll either see if my other cage guy can make parts for me or make them myself. I really just want black pvc so everything matches.

As soon as the boas move out of the T8 she’ll get half of that until she puts on some size. Part of me also wants to get a short rack system with 15 & 32qt tubs to grow her out in. Then I’d have grow out space for inevitable future additions lol. Gonna think on that though


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Long term PVC, ruffed up a little with sandpaper, works great. Yafe loves that.

In his holding/quarntine tank I used fake bamboo with suction cups and that worked well.

Not sure what kind of enclosure you are using (sorry if I missed that), but those could work.

https://smile.amazon.com/Flukers-Bam...5086035&sr=8-3

Keep us posted. How's her temperament? Better each handling session?

I think I'm still leaning towards building Fernie a multi tier PVC "jungle gym". I'm thinking at least two tiers so she can choose and thermoregulate as desired. It'll be removable for easy access and cleaning too.

I think it's CALM who uses PVC and roughs it up with sandpaper. He then uses the spray paint that looks like stone to make it more naturalistic looking. I think I'm going to try that and then a few coats of clear coat. The paint itself dries kinda roughly textured so it would offer traction and grip support as well.

I love the way twine looks. But how is it to keep clean? That would be my only hesitation going that route. I'm a big fan of easy clean up, hahahhahaa.

Jeff Ronne, who made my Boaphile tanks, made perch rests and sent me PVC.

I got extra and in black and used the sandpaper myself. Pretty easy and cheap.

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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

I think I'm still leaning towards building Fernie a multi tier PVC "jungle gym". I'm thinking at least two tiers so she can choose and thermoregulate as desired. It'll be removable for easy access and cleaning too.

I think it's CALM who uses PVC and roughs it up with sandpaper. He then uses the spray paint that looks like stone to make it more naturalistic looking. I think I'm going to try that and then a few coats of clear coat. The paint itself dries kinda roughly textured so it would offer traction and grip support as well.

I love the way twine looks. But how is it to keep clean? That would be my only hesitation going that route. I'm a big fan of easy clean up, hahahhahaa.

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The twine stays relatively clean, I've actually never had to clean it.

Urates and stools become benign not too long after they start to dry. Your biggest enemy would be an overly moist cage. That could cause issues, but it would be quite odd to have an outbreak of something starting in the twine. I'd be far more concerned about a snake that soaks frequently in stagnate water.

Don't get me wrong, a clean cage is a good thing. That said, going overboard with sterilization isn't necessary. Your snake can build up its immune system by being exposed to lower levels of certain bacterias. Similar to humans, they can develop a tolerance, which is healthy. Again. I'm an advocate of a clean cage, but OCD maintenance is not as important as some think.

To get back on topic, twine will work well and isn't a big factor when it comes to sanitation.

Keep your snake's stress level low, keep the cage warm enough and monitor conditions to prevent extreme humidity and you can use about anything for perches.

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Originally Posted by Gio

The twine stays relatively clean, I've actually never had to clean it.

Urates and stools become benign not too long after they start to dry. Your biggest enemy would be an overly moist cage. That could cause issues, but it would be quite odd to have an outbreak of something starting in the twine. I'd be far more concerned about a snake that soaks frequently in stagnate water.

Don't get me wrong, a clean cage is a good thing. That said, going overboard with sterilization isn't necessary. Your snake can build up its immune system by being exposed to lower levels of certain bacterias. Similar to humans, they can develop a tolerance, which is healthy. Again. I'm an advocate of a clean cage, but OCD maintenance is not as important as some think.

To get back on topic, twine will work well and isn't a big factor when it comes to sanitation.

Keep your snake's stress level low, keep the cage warm enough and monitor conditions to prevent extreme humidity and you can use about anything for perches.

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Thanks!!! That's good to know!

I'm a huge fan of keeping things simple. That being said, all my enclosures are "display" enclosures that I like to keep naturalistic looking. But when choosing what goes in I tend to opt for easy to remove and easy to clean.
I always assumed twine, being porous, would be difficult to clean.
I spot clean as needed and do full enclosures cleans 3-4 times per year depending on species and again, as needed.

Now that I feel more confident about using twine that opens some creative doors. Still go plenty of time though, so soooooo tiny! Hahaha!

Thanks again!

On the rare occasion a urate smear appears on the twine, I use very hot water and a tooth brush to loosen and remove it.

I just have never had issues with any of the perches getting dirty.

I too like to keep the display cage simple when it comes to cleaning.

Popping out 3 or 4 perches is easy and the biggest cleaning headache is removing and replacing the naturalistic substrate.

Carpets are such great display animals, and having a nice looking enclosure that shows them off is rewarding!

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Originally Posted by Gio

On the rare occasion a urate smear appears on the twine, I use very hot water and a tooth brush to loosen and remove it.

I just have never had issues with any of the perches getting dirty. The most frequent maintenance I perform on the perches is usually removing the remains of a shed.

I too like to keep the display cage simple when it comes to cleaning.

Popping out 3 or 4 perches is easy and the biggest cleaning headache is removing and replacing the naturalistic substrate.

Carpets are such great display animals, and having a nice looking enclosure that shows them off is rewarding!

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