Assist in science project!

Hello, i'm a high school science research student working on studying the cranial capacity of the normal and spider ball python.

I am looking for as many photos of adult normal ball pythons and spider ball pythons head shots (taken with a penny for comparison) taken similarly to the diagrammed photo of the Nerodia clarkii taeniata (Atlantic Salt Marsh Snake) here (minus the C and F angles)
https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/fi...a_clarikii.jpg
Im looking for at least 6 of each type but the more the merrier. I will also be producing 3D printed skulls using the measurements taken from studying the photos, if you are willing to assist i would HIGHLY appreciate it!!

Sounds like a cool project!

Just for clarification, when you say normal, do you mean normal as in wild type "normal". Or does that include "normal" morphs not associated with head wobble?

thank you! For the normal, i was looking at the typical, "run of the mill" ball python since i am focusing on the coloration morph Spider. The normal is sorta my control group.

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Originally Posted by deadbumblebee

thank you! For the normal, i was looking at the typical, "run of the mill" ball python since i am focusing on the coloration morph Spider. The normal is sorta my control group.

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Ok, thank you. Unfortunately I can't help you. Neither of my BPs are normals or spiders.

And just to help out, are you looking for single gene spiders?

Good luck, I hope the project goes really well for you!!!

I have a normal. Unfortunately, mine is in shed right now so I don't want to mess with him. If you are still looking in a about a week I will so what i can do.

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Do you want single-gene spiders or are other genes in the mix ok? I have a bee, a spinner, and a fire spinner who could become models.

Very cool sounding project, I can't help because I have an albino mojave BP, but I would love to see the results of your research if you're willing to share when you're done :)

3D printing skulls sounds amazing, I wish I had access to 3D printers when I was in high school. It's always nice to see research on snakes since there isn't enough of that out there and they are so misunderstood!

I understand, my project is due near the end of December so any time is perfect!

I could deff help out with my normal Ramsey with these pictures, I’ll see what I can come up with in the next day or so, I just had knee surgery today so I’m not mobile atm.


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It DOES sound like a cool project...however, I have zero BPs these days, so I cannot contribute but I hope many others here will.

Thank you so much! i appreciate any and all help i can get since i don’t have any BPs.

Since this is m first year doing this experiment, i'm working on all types of spiders. So spinners, bees, etc. are 100% welcome and okay!

Hey so this is my email for any photos for the project! Thank all of you so much! if any of you know people who can help as well, please send them my way!

michelle.hicks9984@gmail.com

Well I guess I won't be able to contribute, I missed the part that said adult. Mine is still a juvie. Very cool project though!

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i truly wish i could help, but i have none of the animals you're looking for.

please come back with your findings!!!

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Hey so this is my email for any photos for the project! Thank all of you so much! if any of you know people who can help as well, please send them my way!

michelle.hicks9984@gmail.com

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Tomm I can send you the photos, I’m just now really hobbling around the house so, I’ll be up for it then


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How soon do you need the pics?

I have an adult female Albino Spider BP. That works, right?

I feed tomorrow, but can get pics by the end of the week (time willing).

i just need photos before mid December!

thank you so much!

Here are some photos if they help. They were pretty squirmy and refused to be turned upside down. :)

Spider Female @4 years
https://i.imgur.com/IXP77hs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0S1FynB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yxLy2hZ.jpg

'Normal' Female @4 years
https://i.imgur.com/9ZBeUZ6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/f3vHopM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9KV0BQF.jpg

hey so, i was just informed that i need videos of the snakes that the photos are from to compare the behavior patterns to the size of their heads, so video lengths from 20 seconds to however long is needed! im sorry for this last minute update!

You may want to try contacting Chris Hardwick: https://www.youtube.com/user/aaawebmaster

I think I've seen him post on here too, but he breeds BPs and I believe he said he's a scientist.

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You may want to try contacting Chris Hardwick: https://www.youtube.com/user/aaawebmaster

I think I've seen him post on here too, but he breeds BPs and I believe he said he's a scientist.

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... And also has been reported to have been selling baby BPs at his local shows before they even took their first meals, so not sure I’d invest too much in anything he has to offer.


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Here are some photos if they help. They were pretty squirmy and refused to be turned upside down. :)

Spider Female @4 years
https://i.imgur.com/IXP77hs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0S1FynB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yxLy2hZ.jpg

'Normal' Female @4 years
https://i.imgur.com/9ZBeUZ6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/f3vHopM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9KV0BQF.jpg

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Not sure what good video will do: Here are a few videos of me fumbling with the snakes for the photos--my tripod is on loan so I have to balance the camera in one hand and the snake in the other.
Spider: https://youtu.be/sqh2_EOG7Yw
Normal: https://youtu.be/7zQp5UcPRys

I have the first set of measurements done for the last pictures i got, i need approximately 5 more pictures (of each (adult spider (single gene or more) and adult normal). as well as any videos of them behaving. thank you so much! i love all of the help i’m receiving as well as support!

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Originally Posted by deadbumblebee

I have the first set of measurements done for the last pictures i got, i need approximately 5 more pictures (of each (adult spider (single gene or more) and adult normal). as well as any videos of them behaving. thank you so much! i love all of the help i’m receiving as well as support!

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What is the age range you are looking for as an adult?

3 years to how ever old, there wasn’t a large age range for my project, just full grown spider and normal adults.

Hello so another update i need is the weight of snakes, sorry for all this last minute stuff. The further i go into research and study, the further things i find that i should do to complete my work.

Another update!
i need at least two to three more of the pictures of a normal ball python and a spider ball, single gene or any morph with the spider gene.
i’m coming up to my deadline to be done with the project and i’m worried it won’t be finished.
thank you!

Hello again, this was the only set of photos i was given to use for my project and i want to thank you again for your help.

i need to ask for your permission to be able to use these photos on my science poster for my project, so i can show that i didn't just make up my measurements.

You have my permission to use any of my photos (if you are referring to me) :) I'm sorry I could not help more.

I hope your project turns out well!

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Maybe of some use .. maybe not ..


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Im sure i can use these as references on some of the morphs of ball python if the judges are unsure of some morphs, what exactly are the ones you had sent me? i can make guesses but i just want to be precise and correct.
Thank you still

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Originally Posted by deadbumblebee

Im sure i can use these as references on some of the morphs of ball python if the judges are unsure of some morphs, what exactly are the ones you had sent me? i can make guesses but i just want to be precise and correct.
Thank you still

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If you’re referring to my three photos... they’re a pair of Albino Royals and a High White Pied Royal ( sometimes called Piebald )


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