Help! Concerned spider owner.

Help! Concerned spider owner.

You could say I got taken or you could say I didnt do my full research.

I have a spider bp and never knew the wobble was such a bad thing a little wobble is fine but i have heard that they have no sense of balance etc, my spider head does backflips sometimes like ive seen a lot do.

Does this mean i shouldn't handle him, for if he tips over he cant get back up etc might fall as apperently they dont know how to use their bodies, how true is this ?

Last but not least mine ate a piece of reptibarc with his mouse the other day and then 4 days later a bit of diarrhea was noticed , is this because of the bark he ate or due to other reasons , during the day he hides in his cooler hide or warm depending on temp and at night he is active but not too active, so he seems normal and fine , I just thought id ask some more thoughts on this.

Spider gene or not it sounds like a normal BP to me.
"he hides in his cooler hide or warm depending on temp and at night he is active but not too active".

From my experience the severity of the wobble varies from animal to animal, some cork screw and others you could hardly tell. If it’s eating fine and growing fine, I don’t see a concern. As for handling, I would treat it as I would treat any other BP.

As long as it eats your good just plz don’t breed them.

The fact that you got a spider is 100% on you, when you buy an animal you do extensive research, would you just go and buy any dog without research and knowing if it is the right fit or if there are certain health concerns with a certain breed? The answer is no and the same applies to snakes.

Now luckily a spider is not has bad as you make it sound to be, matter of fact the issue if you can call it that has been greatly exageratedby a lot of people that don't have a clue and never owned one simply because they saw a video of one train wreck.

They are more inquisitive they feed amazingly and severe wobble are the exception. Usually it is mild and hardly noticeable and is more likely to be notice around feeding time due to the excitement.

The key is to limit stress which goes for any ball python and keep your tempertures no higher than 86/88, if you keep a spider at a higher temperture you will accentuate the wobble.

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Originally Posted by Stewart_Reptiles

The fact that you got a spider is 100% on you, when you buy an animal you do extensive research, would you just go and buy any dog without research and knowing if it is the right fit or if there are certain health concerns with a certain breed? The answer is no and the same applies to snakes.

Now luckily a spider is not has bad as you make it sound to be, matter of fact the issue if you can call it that has been greatly exageratedby a lot of people that don't have a clue and never owned one simply because they saw a video of one train wreck.

They are more inquisitive they feed amazingly and severe wobble are the exception. Usually it is mild and hardly noticeable and is more likely to be notice around feeding time due to the excitement.

The key is to limit stress which goes for any ball python and keep your tempertures no higher than 86/88, if you keep a spider at a higher temperture you will accentuate the wobble.

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I appreciate your reply and is very helpfull i asked the breeder about the wobble and his exact words was "its not bad at all" thats when i made up my mind and said ill take it, its the second week now and every night he comes out to explore a bit he gets to one end and wants to turn around to go back ythe other way but then corckscrews again which in my eyes i feel very sorry for it but i am inlove with the pattern of this spider gene.

I mentioned to the breeder I am not happy with the sanke as his wobble is severe and i was told otherwise, he has now offered me a butter pastel enchi and was wondering if there is any special interesting facts about these guys for example good eaters in general ? Do they Usually thrive ? Are they maybe inquisitive as well as I like those 2 facts about the spider hoping for same in the butter pastel enchi.

Sorry to all Im a noob, but very eager and very exciting time for me.

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Originally Posted by Albert420

I appreciate your reply and is very helpfull i asked the breeder about the wobble and his exact words was "its not bad at all" thats when i made up my mind and said ill take it, its the second week now and every night he comes out to explore a bit he gets to one end and wants to turn around to go back ythe other way but then corckscrews again which in my eyes i feel very sorry for it but i am inlove with the pattern of this spider gene.

I mentioned to the breeder I am not happy with the sanke as his wobble is severe and i was told otherwise, he has now offered me a butter pastel enchi and was wondering if there is any special interesting facts about these guys for example good eaters in general ? Do they Usually thrive ? Are they maybe inquisitive as well as I like those 2 facts about the spider hoping for same in the butter pastel enchi.

Sorry to all Im a noob, but very eager and very exciting time for me.

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Ball Python eat, poop. breed granted you know how to care for them and you have done some research that's is all there is to it, Spiders have their quirks which have turned out to be positive that have been observed in various owner's collection but a BP is a BP is a BP.

Now what you need to focus on for the next time so no breeder has to deal with your buyer's remorse is what mutations maybe an issue for you http://www.owalreptiles.com/issues.php

Lol thank you so much and sure will do thanbk you , luckily the breeder is a very mellow chap and happy to serve me otherwise as i offered him a 100 bucks for the effort and kindness , we both came to a very nice gentleman's agreement at the end.

Hi! I don't post on here often, but I have a rescue spider.

https://i.imgur.com/8DGrD9A.jpg

I've noticed that her wobble generally worsens when she's stressed or had too much handling for one day. I really wish they weren't bred and I'm sorry the breeder didn't inform you of the neuro issue these snakes have. It can be really frightening and heartbreaking to see. I hope you listen to advice and don't breed these animals.

The only other advice I can give is that you have to be very careful with feeding. I tend to open both doors, lift the hide she's under up and get it out of the way, and hold the rat a little higher so she doesn't hit anything with her face.

Hopefully someday we will no longer need to discuss this spider gene. Regardless of how severe or how insignificant the wobble is, there is really no need to continue with this gene.

I’ve had a bumblebee for years and he’s never had any issues. You can only see the wobble/corkscrewing rarely. Once when I moved and he was stressed and the other when he missed a rat and hit glass. Other than one time he’s never missed a strike and eats like a champ. Don’t believe everything you read/see online. I recommend watching Clint’s Reptiles video on it or NERD’s since Kevin pretty much created the morph. Absolutely no need to freak or feel guilty. A lot of the videos on YouTube are clickbait and/or feature rescued animals that could have additional underlying issues. If you animal has the proper husbandry it’ll thrive. The spider gene is NOT debilitating. Hopefully these sources will assist in clearing up the facts versus the bs for you.


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I’ve had a bumblebee for years and he’s never had any issues. You can only see the wobble/corkscrewing rarely. Once when I moved and he was stressed and the other when he missed a rat and hit glass. Other than one time he’s never missed a strike and eats like a champ. Don’t believe everything you read/see online. I recommend watching Clint’s Reptiles video on it or NERD’s since Kevin pretty much created the morph. Absolutely no need to freak or feel guilty. A lot of the videos on YouTube are clickbait and/or feature rescued animals that could have additional underlying issues. If you animal has the proper husbandry it’ll thrive. The spider gene is NOT debilitating. Hopefully these sources will assist in clearing up the facts versus the bs for you.


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Mare they good pets... yes, and I don’t want to start a debate with anyone but why do u feel like they should be continued to be breed? The only thing a spider morph is a different pattern. That’s all. And to be selfish enough where u breed an animal that is known to have issues just because it looks cool isn’t the best. When it came out yes it looked cool but now there are thousands of other morphs out there to choose from.

If u were breeding dogs and u could make a German shepherd that had stripes on it and looked cool but most of them have a neurological issue and they fall over when excited and happy or even when u feel them, they just spazam out and fall over. Would u be cool with that?

I’m with danger noodle on this one... The problem is, yes people would still breed animals with genetic issues as long as the cash flow keeps coming.

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Originally Posted by Danger noodles

Mare they good pets... yes, and I don’t want to start a debate with anyone but why do u feel like they should be continued to be breed? The only thing a spider morph is a different pattern. That’s all. And to be selfish enough where u breed an animal that is known to have issues just because it looks cool isn’t the best. When it came out yes it looked cool but now there are thousands of other morphs out there to choose from.

If u were breeding dogs and u could make a German shepherd that had stripes on it and looked cool but most of them have a neurological issue and they fall over when excited and happy or even when u feel them, they just spazam out and fall over. Would u be cool with that?

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Not to be rude but I don’t have time to type a lengthy and in-depth response as that would take pages. I really think Clint’s video brings up some good points, the majority of which I agree with as it’s backed by science not emotion. I’d recommend listening to him to hear “the other side”. The overwhelming majority of people that own spiders don’t have issues and there’s probably a reason for that... In the end it’s up to the buyer. If you don’t like the morph, ok cool, don’t buy it. I definitely don’t think it should be banned.


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Would you choose to not have kids of your own knowing the hundreds of defects we carry in our shared human dna could cause a multitude of disorders and disabilities?
If we lived our lives only thinking about and expecting the worst possible outcomes of every scenario. We would still be living in caves afraid of the dark.

My bumblebee female is my favourite snake, perfect in every way. For someone else to tell me she's sick or disabled and shouldn't exist. Seems like someone trying to exert their opinion onto somebody else.

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Originally Posted by MattEvans

Would you choose to not have kids of your own knowing the hundreds of defects we carry in our shared human dna could cause a multitude of disorders and disabilities?
If we lived our lives only thinking about and expecting the worst possible outcomes of every scenario. We would still be living in caves afraid of the dark.

My bumblebee female is my favourite snake, perfect in every way. For someone else to tell me she's sick or disabled and shouldn't exist. Seems like someone trying to exert their opinion onto somebody else.

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I know right? Seems like most of the people that are against the spider morph don’t have any and are solely basing their opinion off of online sources. Many of the videos I’ve seen online of debilitating wobble are from rescue animals. One of the worst videos on the subject is by GoHerping on YouTube imo. Nice guy but was using a neglected snake as an example. Also just saw his new video where he got a rescued normal bp that has worse wobble than a spider... People seem to love jumping onto the bandwagon especially if they feel it puts them on a moral high ground even if they have no clue what they’re talking about. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it is not acceptable to demonize spider owners and/or breeders. Sounds like this poor kid traded out his dream snake due to false information.


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Originally Posted by MattEvans

Would you choose to not have kids of your own knowing the hundreds of defects we carry in our shared human dna could cause a multitude of disorders and disabilities?
If we lived our lives only thinking about and expecting the worst possible outcomes of every scenario. We would still be living in caves afraid of the dark.

My bumblebee female is my favourite snake, perfect in every way. For someone else to tell me she's sick or disabled and shouldn't exist. Seems like someone trying to exert their opinion onto somebody else.

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the difference is that there is a relatively small chance that my children would be disabled. The spider morph always has a neurological issue wether a lot or a little. My friends had a disabled child and went through years of testing to be sure that if they tried again they would have a healthy child. So the answer is yes everyday people make the decision not to have children based on genetic defects they could potentially have. Own all the spider morphs you want I don’t care, but don’t pretend it’s not a problem.

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the difference is that there is a relatively small chance that my children would be disabled. The spider morph always has a neurological issue wether a lot or a little. My friends had a disabled child and went through years of testing to be sure that if they tried again they would have a healthy child. So the answer is yes everyday people make the decision not to have children based on genetic defects they could potentially have. Own all the spider morphs you want I don’t care, but don’t pretend it’s not a problem.

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Saying owning spiders is a problem is equally as subjective as saying owning any animal is wrong... Again that is your OPINION don’t confuse it with facts. Anywho... I don’t think the OP is active on this thread anymore so this “debate” isn’t really helping anyone. I just chimed in because the OP felt it was wrong to own a spider and assumed it’d have a debilitating wobble which isn’t accurate at all. If he wants a spider he shouldn’t be harassed for his decision. If he ask for information he should be provided with factual information based on evidence not anecdotal “evidence”. Yes the spider gene has neurological effects but the majority of the time it’s not a disability as it doesn’t impact their lives or keep them from thriving. Again I recommend listening to sources I mentioned for a different perspective.


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