thoughts on genes?

getting back into the hobby after almost 15 years. never really got into breeding but may down the road. i acquired these two beauties but had some questions i wanted run by the fine people on here that have been doing this awhile.
the first snake came to me as a purple passion. the person said it was a phantom x mystic. is mystic and mojave the same thing? he has colored up a little since i took the pic...the yellow stripe on the back is more defined. im questioning the blue eyes...all the pics ive seen of purple passion have black eyes. thoughts?
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best i can do for now...have to right click and select view image...ugh

You need to use a third party host or download tapatalk to post pictures on your thread.

thank you...maybe this will work...heres purple passion

https://i.postimg.cc/8zMWhrsn/20191103-1413535.jpg


pastel calico enchi

https://i.postimg.cc/t4k6SGth/20191103-1412490.jpg


had a guy tell me there might be some super in the pastel? maybe its just color expression variation?

No all purple passions have blue eyes. I have one myself

Without pics it’s hard to say, a purple passion is similar to a mystic potion looks wise but when they are younger the purple passions tend to have a very bright yellow dorsal stripe where the mystic potion doesn’t, it’s lighter looking and has more of a whitish color.

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thank you...maybe this will work...heres purple passion

https://i.postimg.cc/8zMWhrsn/20191103-1413535.jpg


pastel calico enchi

https://i.postimg.cc/t4k6SGth/20191103-1412490.jpg


had a guy tell me there might be some super in the pastel? maybe its just color expression variation?

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Second snake is not remotely close to a Pastel Calico Enchi or a Super Pastel Calico Enchi, either misidentified on purpose or out of ignorance hence why it is important to buy from a reputable breeder.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-enchi-pastel/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-super-pastel/

wonderful...any thoughts on what i got?

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Originally Posted by Stewart_Reptiles

Second snake is not remotely close to a Pastel Calico Enchi either misidentified on purpose or out of ignorance hence why it is important to buy from a reputable breeder.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-enchi-pastel/

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the guy has bred balls for 30 years and puts on the shows of our states herp society...thats why i posted here also

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wonderful...any thoughts on what i got?

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Nowadays considering how many combos there are and how many looks alike or are subtle unless you know the pairing it's just gonna be a guessing game, there is Spider in it and some other genes.

Looks like a low quality purple passion and the second snake is not what u were told, I’m not sure what it is but looks to definitely have spider in it.

i hope these are not snakes u plan on breeding and are just some pretty pets for u

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Originally Posted by Stewart_Reptiles

Nowadays considering how many combos there are and how many looks alike or are subtle unless you know the pairing it's just gonna be a guessing game, there is Spider in it and some other genes.

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maybe i will email the breeder and see what kind of records were kept and maybe something got misidentified on the way to the show...i can only hope.

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Originally Posted by Pleco

the guy has bred balls for 30 years and puts on the shows of our states herp society...thats why i posted here also

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Pastel Enchi Calico and Super Pastel Enchi Calico have been around for a while and are pretty basic so not something someone with 30 years experience would misidentify.

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the guy has bred balls for 30 years and puts on the shows of our states herp society...thats why i posted here also

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Just because u can breed snakes doesn’t mean ur a reputable breeder. I wouldn’t buy a spider ball because I’m not a fan of breeding them. So if I paid money and was told something completely wrong I’d be upset.

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Originally Posted by Danger noodles

Looks like a low quality purple passion and the second snake is not what u were told, I’m not sure what it is but looks to definitely have spider in it.

i hope these are not snakes u plan on breeding and are just some pretty pets for u

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i was going to breed them down the road. not to make money but just to have some pretty babies. maybe some single genes will come out on the babies. if i sell some, it will be very cheap as i clearly am an ametuer

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Originally Posted by Stewart_Reptiles

Pastel Enchi Calico and Super Pastel Enchi Calico have been around for a while and are pretty basic so not something someone with 30 years experience would misidentify.

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And the fact that it has spider in it. If I can see that a breeder should know it’s wrong when he looked at the card and it was that far off.

Sorry man man but I got lied to. If they are pets then oh well they are pretty

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i was going to breed them down the road. not to make money but just to have some pretty babies. maybe some single genes will come out on the babies. if i sell some, it will be very cheap as i clearly am an ametuer

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I’d think twice before breeding the spider, maybe do so research on the problems they have

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I’d think twice before breeding the spider, maybe do so research on the problems they have

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im aware of the head wobble. i paid 200 for that one and 250 for the purple passion. not that upset as they weren't expensive and not introducing into a breeding line. im now even more curious on whats in there on the now determined spider morph

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curious on whats in there on the now determined spider morph

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High white side, head marking and spider web pattern on the back.

so my friend got a pet that he doesn't plan to breed but out of curiosity he bought this at the show from a different breeder labeled as a pastel...would you guys agree?

https://i.postimg.cc/bww5FpfP/IMG950858.jpg

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Originally Posted by Stewart_Reptiles

High white side, head marking and spider web pattern on the back.

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i was under the impression that calico determined amounts of white on the sides? could there be calico in there?

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i was under the impression that calico determined amounts of white on the sides? could there be calico in there?

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There is no calico in that snake if there was it would affect the pattern and amount of white in a very distinctive manner.

Spider have white side from low to high.

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Originally Posted by Pleco

so my friend got a pet that he doesn't plan to breed but out of curiosity he bought this at the show from a different breeder labeled as a pastel...would you guys agree?

https://i.postimg.cc/bww5FpfP/IMG950858.jpg

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Yes it is a pretty low quality Pastel

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Originally Posted by Stewart_Reptiles

There is no calico in that snake if there was it would affect the pattern and amount of white in a very distinctive manner.

Spider have white side from low to high.

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i appreciate your input along with everyone else. i have a lot to learn so this is a learning lesson for me.

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i appreciate your input along with everyone else. i have a lot to learn so this is a learning lesson for me.

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Just an FYI the lady that keeps answering all your questions is an amazing breeder with a ton of knowledge, so u can take what she says to the bank