This one is challenging

Think you're good at IDing? I challenge you to take a guess at this little girl. I'm assuming she's a worlds first because I'm not finding anything close on the genetic wizard. The pairing was blk pastel fire OD x disco spider pastel. I'm guessing she has to be at least 4 genes but figuring which ones is challenging. I'll try to get better pics to show the pattern but she hasn't even had her first meal yet so I'm trying not to bother her too much. Let's hear what your guess is.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d788105e35.jpg

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How about mind blowing gorgeous bro! Congratulations 🎉

Super pastel disco spider??

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Originally Posted by Sonny1318

How about mind blowing gorgeous bro! Congratulations 🎉

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Thanks man! At first when she came out I wasn't sure I liked her because she was so different than anything I was expecting but once I got past that, now I really like her and will probably hold her back.

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Originally Posted by Crowfingers

Super pastel disco spider??

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No chance at super pastel in the mix but pastel disco spider was what the mother is and doesn't even look close. That combo looks pretty close to a bumble bee but the disco slightly changes the pattern.

Pairing was:

Black pastel, Fire, Orange Dream X Pastel, Disco, Spider

The closest combo I've found is fire, disco, orange dream, pastel but mine has quite a bit more pattern so I'm guessing mine has black pastel and or spider as well. Something about the head pattern screams spider to me but I've never seen body pattern like this on a spider. The problem is there are so many genes at play it's totally blowing up the pattern and the genes are interacting differently than what would be expected. I'm starting to think she had to of hit 5 genes or even possibly all 6. I'm going to try to get some more pics so you all can see the pattern, it's really weird. But I'm going to leave her alone until I get her to take her first meal so hopefully sometime next week I'll add some good shots of her pattern on top and sides.

My guess would either be pastel disco fire spider or pastel OD disco spider. The only reason I'm hesitant about the first combo is because disco infernos usually have a pied (black eyed lucy complex) look to them but it could be possible she's just very low white but I'm leaning towards the second combo! Either way definitely a gorgeous animal! I'd definitely run her to a normal and see what all she passes down!!

Pastel Disco Fire, I dont see any OD, can you get better pics of its sides and tail ? No spider because to much pattern for spider to be there with a cleaner gene like fire in there.

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Originally Posted by Bridgiebear1

My guess would either be pastel disco fire spider or pastel OD disco spider. The only reason I'm hesitant about the first combo is because disco infernos usually have a pied (black eyed lucy complex) look to them but it could be possible she's just very low white but I'm leaning towards the second combo! Either way definitely a gorgeous animal! I'd definitely run her to a normal and see what all she passes down!!

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Thanks, those are both pretty good guesses. It's not pastel disco fire spider though because that combo is already pretty well known, not even close to this girl but does look like her sister which is disco fire spider OD, I'll add a pic of her for comparison.

I think you're right with the pastel OD disco spider but I think she has at least one other gene because this combo would have more of a typical spider pattern and my girl does not. Add fire and I think we're getting somewhere. You're a little confused how disco inferno works, it's neither pied or BEL, those are 3 non related things but you are right that disco inferno gets a nice big white ringer usually but not always. It does always mess with the pattern though so I think it's playing a role in why my girl is hard to ID.

So here is the sister, disco fire spider OD

And here is the closest combo I found at wobp, disco fire OD pastel, it's close but my girl has another gene bringing more pattern backhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b8e5589e33.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...322b8d56d1.jpg

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Originally Posted by bmwood

Pastel Disco Fire, I dont see any OD, can you get better pics of its sides and tail ? No spider because to much pattern for spider to be there with a cleaner gene like fire in there.

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Pastel disco fire is very common, it looks nothing like this girl. I have a disco Inferno also and when you add pastel it make for a super light colored snake usually with a huge white ringer. Beautiful, yes but totally different than the girl we're trying to ID. Here is my disco inferno for reference, all pastel does is make this combo lighter.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5e51ac7475.jpg

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I think you hit them all but the spider gene here (as I don't really see much spider influence at all) - Black Pastel Disco Fire OD Pastel

I couldn't tell you a morph if I had to......

But Gorgeous Snake, it does look like someone took an eraser and erased the color off the top of her head.

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I think you hit them all but the spider gene here (as I don't really see much spider influence at all) - Black Pastel Disco Fire OD Pastel

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This is one of my top choices, the only reason I'm not set on it is because I've had two other breeders that think they see spider influence but I only see it in the head, when the head popped out I was sure it had spider but now looking at the body pattern I have my doubts. The big thing is though, it seems to have a bit of wobble and none of the other genes are known for that. But your guess is still in my top 3.
I'm hoping to get some better pattern shots of the whole body including sides and that should help. I'm just waiting for her to have her first meal, hopefully tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Gocntry

I couldn't tell you a morph if I had to......

But Gorgeous Snake, it does look like someone took an eraser and erased the color off the top of her head.

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Thank you! Yeah the head is different that's for sure. I love the spots surrounding the edge.

I think you may have hit all the genes, the typical spider pattern is just washed out by all the other genes.


Kaos Balls

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

I think you may have hit all the genes, the typical spider pattern is just washed out by all the other genes.


Kaos Balls

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This is what I'm leaning towards as well.

I believe it's one of these three combos

All but spider
All but blk pastel
All 6

My one breeder friend definitely thinks there is spider for sure but no black pastel because there is pastel and he thinks if it hit both their would be a pewter look which is a good point but I have seen at least one other large gene combo that had both and did not look pewter. So my guess is because of so many other genes something is causing it to still have color because when I look at the side pattern, I do see black pastel influence.

So my best guess right now is all 6 genes as well.

I still plan to show some better pics of the pattern to get some additional opinions but give me a couple days, I'm hoping she eats tomorrow.

Thank you for all the input so far, I really appreciate it!

When the genes start to stack it gets harder and harder to tell. This season I produced what I believe to be an Enchi, Phantom, Super Pastel Spider that looks like it could be that ones sibling.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

When the genes start to stack it gets harder and harder to tell. This season I produced what I believe to be an Enchi, Phantom, Super Pastel Spider that looks like it could be that ones sibling.

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Thanks for your input.
So is it safe to assume your vote goes towards it having spider as well?

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Thanks for your input.
So is it safe to assume your vote goes towards it having spider as well?

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Yup

So I offered her a hopper last night and the dumb thing hopped into the water dish and drowned! All my other hatchlings had eaten their hoppers and that's all I had. So I decided might as well heat it up and try to get her to take it dead, to my surprise this little girl snatched it up without thinking twice! Pretty good for her first meal so I have a feeling this little girl is going to be a ferocious eater and should do just fine. That's a relief because she was way behind coming out of the egg so I wasn't even sure she was going to make it but I thought for sure she was going to be a problem getting eating, but nope, ended up being the first to take dead so I'm sure she'll be no problem getting on f/t as well. Anyway my point was just to let you guys know she ate and I'll get some better pics tonight or tomorrow.

Not sure if these pics will shed any new light on her genetics but they were enough to secure my decision to keep her, I like her lol.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...92f504fe77.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...bdd1f4f995.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4b308f6a1c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cc89f32e7e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9ac0090dee.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...aaa58240f4.jpg

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Sorry pics are so small and out of focus, tapatalk changed them, let's see how medium looks.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...478c574a6a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c3a92f0168.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d8149026e7.jpg

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