Animal Plastics Enclosures *photos appreciated*

Hey everyone! One of the noobs around here, so if I post this in the wrong place, scold me! ;)

I will be ordering in the next few days an animal plastics enclosure for our brand new baby enchi lesser morph named Poe. I am planning on getting the T10. I know the lead time is quite a while, so we wanna get it ordered ASAP since he's currently in a 20L Zilla tank, which will certainly not be ideal as he grows. (Plus keeping heat/humidity proper in this is a challenge). So far the plan is adding a lock, doing sliding glass doors, LED lighting, belly heat, and a pro RHP for him.

I would absolutely LOVE to not only know your opinions of these enclosures, what you've added to yours, but also see photos of your AP enclosures!

Thanks ahead of time for sharing. ♥

A T10 is pretty big for a ball python.

The reason I'm not a fan of animal plastics is the middle brace. It obstructs the view too much.

I have neither, but I have thought of getting a http://pvccages.com

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Originally Posted by wonderwhitters

Hey everyone! One of the noobs around here, so if I post this in the wrong place, scold me! ;)

I will be ordering in the next few days an animal plastics enclosure for our brand new baby enchi lesser morph named Poe. I am planning on getting the T10. I know the lead time is quite a while, so we wanna get it ordered ASAP since he's currently in a 20L Zilla tank, which will certainly not be ideal as he grows. (Plus keeping heat/humidity proper in this is a challenge). So far the plan is adding a lock, doing sliding glass doors, LED lighting, belly heat, and a pro RHP for him.

I would absolutely LOVE to not only know your opinions of these enclosures, what you've added to yours, but also see photos of your AP enclosures!

Thanks ahead of time for sharing. ♥

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Hey there....you're making a good choice but I would highly recommend cluttering it up since that's a lot of space for a BP (especially a baby). I just received my 2nd AP T10 in the mail a week ago after waiting for about 4-5 months. It's a long wait but well worth it. The options you suggested sound great although some will say belly heat is not needed since you'll have the RHP providing heat. Good luck!

I haven't pulled the trigger on an AP enclosure yet, but their reputation is second to none. I do have a Neodesha and a Boaphile enclosure (both purchased second hand) that I absolutely love. I've been a glass guy since I started out in this hobby almost 20 years ago. But these plastic/PVC enclosures are fantastic. I'm in the process of upgrading all of my enclosures gradually. AP is definitely at the top of the list.

As for the size, a T10 will be fine. I'd just wait until your BP hits 500 grams before moving him. But once he hits that size he should be ready to upsize.

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Hey there....you're making a good choice but I would highly recommend cluttering it up since that's a lot of space for a BP (especially a baby). I just received my 2nd AP T10 in the mail a week ago after waiting for about 4-5 months. It's a long wait but well worth it. The options you suggested sound great although some will say belly heat is not needed since you'll have the RHP providing heat. Good luck!

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I am obsessed with cluttered BP enclosures! We plan to provide him with all the clutter in the world! LOL! I'm so glad to hear you are enjoying yours! I am curious about the belly heat and what others think as well because I've heard that. I figured I can turn it off (i'm assuming it can be turned off) if it's not needed and take the better "safe than sorry" approach and have it as an option in the enclosure if it's ever needed. Thanks for your input! It's appreciated! ♥

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A T10 is pretty big for a ball python.

The reason I'm not a fan of animal plastics is the middle brace. It obstructs the view too much.

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I do understand your point with that middle brace! It does break up the view quite a bit! I can see how some may not be into that!

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As for the size, a T10 will be fine. I'd just wait until your BP hits 500 grams before moving him. But once he hits that size he should be ready to upsize.

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I am definitely happy to keep him in his smaller enclosure till he's a comfy size to move over. I just don't want him to ever feel cramped in the current 20L!

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Just looked at this and those are sharp/sleek looking enclosures! I'm impressed.

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I am definitely happy to keep him in his smaller enclosure till he's a comfy size to move over. I just don't want him to ever feel cramped in the current 20L!

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I hear ya. You'll be surprised though, they actually do really well in smaller enclosures when young. But that T10 will be a fantastic "forever" enclosure. :gj:

I have a T8 for my king. She is a pretty long snake for her species.. So T8, space wise, is perfect. I think T10 has about the same floor space plus more height.

I think they are good for the price and space you want. I ordered mine last year, got it within 1-2 months, it is a quick ship order so it is not a long wait. Installation is easy. Durable after a year now, easy to clean, no weird funky smell...etc. I have the sliding acrylic doors, no locks. I just place some old medical bills (lol) and stuff them in between the glass door gap, which is small to begin with. Nibbler has tried to push her way out at the start but no success. She is pretty chill snake to begin with, so locks are not a bad option.

I did not order anything else but the enclosure. I use a heat mat and tape it to the bottom and tweak the temp on the thermostat to get the inside temps just right. The RHP is a popular choice for many though.

I have yet to find a competitor that can give me a good price on this much floor space for snakes that don't climb.

One thing I don't like is the lack of ventilation. They come with slits but I like to have more air flow in my enclosures (I'm paranoid over mold, especially here in SoFL). You can drill holes so that is a plus. Or I think you can ask them to add more slits or holes during the making process.

Their customer service is friendly and response may take awhile due to the high volume of calls and emails they get. I don't have any complaints about their customer service at this time.

I recently ordered another T8 for my woma, who is growing out his tank. That was about 2 months ago and nothing yet, but like I said, if you can wait, it is a good enclosure to have.

And sorry, no pics. I lost them somewhere.

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I have a T8 for my king. She is a pretty long snake for her species.. So T8, space wise, is perfect. I think T10 has about the same floor space plus more height.

I think they are good for the price and space you want. I ordered mine last year, got it within 1-2 months, it is a quick ship order so it is not a long wait. Installation is easy. Durable after a year now, easy to clean, no weird funky smell...etc. I have the sliding acrylic doors, no locks. I just place some old medical bills (lol) and stuff them in between the glass door gap, which is small to begin with. Nibbler has tried to push her way out at the start but no success. She is pretty chill snake to begin with, so locks are not a bad option.

I did not order anything else but the enclosure. I use a heat mat and tape it to the bottom and tweak the temp on the thermostat to get the inside temps just right. The RHP is a popular choice for many though.

I have yet to find a competitor that can give me a good price on this much floor space for snakes that don't climb.

One thing I don't like is the lack of ventilation. They come with slits but I like to have more air flow in my enclosures (I'm paranoid over mold, especially here in SoFL). You can drill holes so that is a plus. Or I think you can ask them to add more slits or holes during the making process.

Their customer service is friendly and response may take awhile due to the high volume of calls and emails they get. I don't have any complaints about their customer service at this time.

I recently ordered another T8 for my woma, who is growing out his tank. That was about 2 months ago and nothing yet, but like I said, if you can wait, it is a good enclosure to have.

And sorry, no pics. I lost them somewhere.

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Greatly appreciate all your valuable information! Thank you for sharing it! ♥

Snapped a quick pic just now of my 3 T-8s, which are just a little shorter than T10s. I have these on the pedestal also from AP (edit -we put our own beefed up caster wheels on there). Cages partially covered because I have some boa breeding going on and giving privacy. I don't have any issues with the post, it's hardly noticeable when looking at them, being where the sliding glass doors overlap.
AP is a great choice even with the long lead times.
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T8 is plenty of height for a BP, though the 3" extra height in the T10 would be slightly easier for accessing the far back of the cage when cleaning and such. The belly heat from AP is kind of expensive. I just order heat tape from Reptile Basics and install under the cage myself to save some cash. As for the cage being too big for a young BP, you can order a pop in/pop out divider and just keep your critter in half of the cage until they're large enough to feel secure in the full enclosure.

Awesome y'all! Thank you so much for sharing!

Great choice. They are #1. Anyone that says a T10 is to big for a Ball python doesn’t know what they are talking about at all. I have 2) T-12’s for my Balls. They are around 2000 grams and 4’ long. I got them because Its easier for me to clean with a higher ceiling and larger doorway but the T10 is great, id never go smaller than Great choice. As far as accessories I have everything you mentioned except belly heat. No need for it with Bobs Pro Panels. I run a “Herpstat 2” for my 150 watt panel. Its on 80% and gives me a hot spot of 91/92 and cool spot of 80.
The only advice id give you is do not go smaller on the panel, its better to have more than you need than not enough incase your home gets cool or furnace breaks during winter. If the panel is more heat than you need you just adjust the output on your Herpstat up to 100% power.
If your home is 60-70 degrees in the cold months go with a 120 or 150 watt even if Bob says you can get away with the smaller one which was 88watt but he changed it to 100 now I think. Better safe than sorry.


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Great choice. They are #1. Anyone that says a T10 is to big for a Ball python doesn’t know what they are talking about at all. I have 2) T-12’s for my Balls. They are around 2000 grams and 4’ long. I got them because Its easier for me to clean with a higher ceiling and larger doorway but the T10 is great, id never go smaller than Great choice. As far as accessories I have everything you mentioned except belly heat. No need for it with Bobs Pro Panels. I run a Herpstat 2 for my 150 watt panel. Its on 80% and gives me a hot spot of 91/92 and cool spot of 80.
The only advice id give you is do not go smaller on the panel, its better to have more than you need than not enough incase your home gets cool or furnace breaks during winter. If the panel is more heat than you need you just adjust the output on your Herpstat up to 100% power.
If your home is 60-70 degrees in the cold months go with a 120 or 150 watt even if Bob says you can get away with the smaller one which was 88watt but he changed it to 100 now I think. Better safe than sorry.


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Gorgeous snake! Thank you for the info! Especially about the RHP! Appreciate it!

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Gorgeous snake! Thank you for the info! Especially about the RHP! Appreciate it!

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No problem. I have another enclosure ordered. Its a custom one and looking at up to 5 months wait. If you pay Ali 1/2 down you can order now and pay the rest when its done if that helps you. That way your in line asap.


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No problem. I have another enclosure ordered. Its a custom one and looking at up to 5 months wait. If you pay Ali 1/2 down you can order now and pay the rest when its done if that helps you. That way your in line asap.


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I didn't know that! Nice to know! :)

Hello wonderwhitters. I live about 30 miles east of you in Henry Co. I'm curious how you have your current 20 gallon set up. I am new here as well, researching as my kids have saved up about bought everything needed for their first BP which we will be getting from a breeder at the show next month in Indy. I too plan to upgrade to a PVC enclosure but might DIY mine. I'll have some time to think about it until it fills in the 20 gallon long we have for it to start in. I'm planning on getting theirs set up this week to see how the temps do. It's a glass tank and I have a UTH for each end one to keep lower for the cool side and one to keep higher for the hot side. I'm cutting a piece of plexiglass to cover the screen top as needed to help with humidity. I would like to hear what your setup was and what difficulties you had with temps and humidity.

I have 6 AP, 2 copycats, a Boaphile, and a BoaMaster. The last two will be replaced by AP.

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Hello wonderwhitters. I live about 30 miles east of you in Henry Co. I'm curious how you have your current 20 gallon set up. I am new here as well, researching as my kids have saved up about bought everything needed for their first BP which we will be getting from a breeder at the show next month in Indy. I too plan to upgrade to a PVC enclosure but might DIY mine. I'll have some time to think about it until it fills in the 20 gallon long we have for it to start in. I'm planning on getting theirs set up this week to see how the temps do. It's a glass tank and I have a UTH for each end one to keep lower for the cool side and one to keep higher for the hot side. I'm cutting a piece of plexiglass to cover the screen top as needed to help with humidity. I would like to hear what your setup was and what difficulties you had with temps and humidity.

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Hey there! I am also planning to go the reptile show on the 10th at the Fairgrounds! I am looking forward to it! It sounds like most of what you are doing is very similar to how I'm going about things so far. I have had mostly an issue with some ambient temps though. My house is chilly at 67 or so degrees and I'm struggling to keep ambient temps up to 75 on the cooler end. I took thick black foam board and put it along the exterior of the back and two sides of a 20L Zilla terrarium. I did plexi glass across the top of the cool side and then a UTH heat pad underneath. I just ordered a CHE that arrives today. I had a daytime bulb we got with the Fluker's dimmable lamp and it's helping with the hotter side, but I'm still not getting quite the right temps. I'm hoping with the CHE I will be successful! I will definitely keep you updated! I am just really worried about the cooler side of his enclosure. I am worried about it dropping too low and him getting sick. I have a temp gun I use, as well as a thermometer in the tank as well. I also use a thermostat for the under tank pad.

Definitely keep me updated on your set up! I would love to hear what is working best for you! I'm hoping I can get these temps perfect for mine asap!

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That's good to know. I like my Boaphile a lot, but haven't actually seen an AP in person to compare and contrast. What makes you want to upgrade from Boaphile to AP? What are the key differences that make you want to upgrade?

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I have 6 AP, 2 copycats, a Boaphile, and a BoaMaster. The last two will be replaced by AP.

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Soooo nice looking! I'm so impressed!

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Soooo nice looking! I'm so impressed!

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Yeah, my snake room isn't nearly that pretty! But someday... :D

Thanks, one of the breeders I spoke with at the last show said they keep the room temp in there house @ 70 degrees in the winter and then with a UTH under each end of the tank, the temps in the tank along with the UTH heat will be fine. He said he keeps one UTH around 80 and the other around 90 and as long as his furnace stays on 70 he doesn't worry about additional heat in the tanks. I'm curious to see what mine does. Some have said the UTH's will not raise the ambient temps at all and others have told me they would. I was planning on a CHE as well if needed this winter. I don't keep my AC too low in the summer so it won't be an issue then.
Have you been to any of the shows in Indy before, the one back in August was our first.

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That's good to know. I like my Boaphile a lot, but haven't actually seen an AP in person to compare and contrast. What makes you want to upgrade from Boaphile to AP? What are the key differences that make you want to upgrade?

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I also have a Boaphile but didn’t mention it, that’s how much I like it. I would never recommend one. It’s falling apart and I have ratchet straps around it trying to keep the back on until my other AP’s come.
The other enclosures I have are AP T12’s.. and AP T60.
Ive PVC glued the Boaphile together several times and the back comes apart again when my young Burm pushes so Ive used Ratchet Straps for the time being. AP enclosures are 1/2” PVC, Great for holding heat great for holding humidity and great for security. The Boaphile doesn’t even measure 1/8... what a shame for a high dollar enclosure. I called the owner thinking they were one piece construction and he informed me that all he does is glue them together. So the AP’s are 99% better in My opinion and the top PVC enclosure made to date.


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I also have a Boaphile but didn’t mention it, that’s how much I like it. I would never recommend one. It’s falling apart and I have ratchet straps around it trying to keep the back on until my other AP’s come.
The other enclosures I have are AP T12’s.. and AP T60.
Ive PVC glued the Boaphile together several times and the back comes apart again when my young Burm pushes so Ive used Ratchet Straps for the time being. AP enclosures are 1/2” PVC, Great for holding heat great for holding humidity and great for security. The Boaphile doesn’t even measure 1/8... what a shame for a high dollar enclosure. I called the owner thinking they were one piece construction and he informed me that all he does is glue them together. So the AP’s are 99% better in My opinion and the top PVC enclosure made to date.


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Thanks CALM, good to see you around! It's getting chilly here in MA so you must be about done work for the season huh?

I figured the thickness would be a factor. That's definitely one knock I have on the Boaphile. I was actually fortunate enough to pick it up for free, so definitely can't complain. Some of the "knock-offs" I've seen at expos are 1/2" PVC too. I've actually considered grabbing one of those too. I can't for the life of me remember what they're called, but that been at the Manchester, NH expo the last few times I went. The construction is solid and the price is right in line with AP. I decided not to though cause I figure if I'm gonna spend the money I might as well go with AP based on reputation alone.

Also, do you know anything about the status of APs new facility and if/when lead times will be shorter?

Thanks again.

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Thanks CALM, good to see you around! It's getting chilly here in MA so you must be about done work for the season huh?

I figured the thickness would be a factor. That's definitely one knock I have on the Boaphile. I was actually fortunate enough to pick it up for free, so definitely can't complain. Some of the "knock-offs" I've seen at expos are 1/2" PVC too. I've actually considered grabbing one of those too. I can't for the life of me remember what they're called, but that been at the Manchester, NH expo the last few times I went. The construction is solid and the price is right in line with AP. I decided not to though cause I figure if I'm gonna spend the money I might as well go with AP based on reputation alone.

Also, do you know anything about the status of APs new facility and if/when lead times will be shorter?

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OMG I didn’t even pay attention to who I was responding to hahahaha. How are ya?
Yep the season is just about done, maybe four weeks. I was done early today because of the weather that’s why im on here hahaha.
I myself but only because I have them would stick with a AP. I haven’t been to the shows or seen what is there or offered so I can’t tell you if they’re good or bad. Half inch PVC is obviously a plus but what I also found is there was another manufacture are using half inch PVC but it was a different kind and had no flexibility and cracked like glass I was told by someone who bough one..don’t even know the name of it.
As far as the new facility they have had a problem with the machinery getting set up there so it’s not even under operation at all.. it’s in fact cause more of a problem for them. They are working on the other facility plus trying to for fill all the orders which Alli told me is a crazy amount. I have of course waited too long once again and it will not be here until mid winter. That’s a real pain in the ars. When work is done I’m going to try and glue it again :(


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OMG I didn’t even pay attention to who I was responding to hahahaha. How are ya?
Yep the season is just about done, maybe four weeks. I was done early today because of the weather that’s why im on here hahaha.
I myself but only because I have them would stick with a AP. I haven’t been to the shows or seen what is there or offered so I can’t tell you if they’re good or bad. Half inch PVC is obviously a plus but what I also found is there was another manufacture are using half inch PVC but it was a different kind and had no flexibility and cracked like glass I was told by someone who bough one..don’t even know the name of it.
As far as the new facility they have had a problem with the machinery getting set up there so it’s not even under operation at all.. it’s in fact cause more of a problem for them. They are working on the other facility plus trying to for fill all the orders which Alli told me is a crazy amount. I have of course waited too long once again and it will not be here until mid winter. That’s a real pain in the ars. When work is done I’m going to try and glue it again :(


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All good here! It's bittersweet to see you around, hahahhaa. One one hand, you're an asset to the forum when you're around, but on the other hand...winter is coming. Uggggggh, hahahhahaha.

I just picked up a hatchling Bredli Python, so I'm thinking of a forever enclosure for her. I'm leaning towards a T12 with a shelf. I figure she'd appreciate the added height.

Welcome to the forum, wonderwhitters!

I can put in another vote for Bob at Pro Products. I just ordered a 100-watt RHP from him for a PVC enclosure I'm putting together and he was a pleasure to work with. The RHPs Pro Products makes are some of (if not the) best around, and well worth the price and wait time.

Another alternative to AP is Kages. I ordered my enclosure from them last Sunday and it was delivered to me last Saturday - these guys are fast! They are a bit more expensive than AP, though, depending on how many bells and whistles you want to add on. Default enclosures are 1/2" PVC and have a 4" substrate board, slit vents on the back, and sliding polycarbonate doors. While they still have a center brace, they are a bit classier than AP cages in my opinion. The owner, Zach, is also a really nice guy to work with. They're definitely worth a look!

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All good here! It's bittersweet to see you around, hahahhaa. One one hand, you're an asset to the forum when you're around, but on the other hand...winter is coming. Uggggggh, hahahhahaha.

I just picked up a hatchling Bredli Python, so I'm thinking of a forever enclosure for her. I'm leaning towards a T12 with a shelf. I figure she'd appreciate the added height.

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She will. I cant say enough about the T-12. Its a great all around size and good height for a shelf and climbing[emoji1360][emoji1360][emoji1360]
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I am going out on a limb and guessing this is the same snake that is bitey and defensive with you? Has this snake eaten since he has been with you? Also, a T10 is enormous for a snake that young.. You said he was hatched 8.24.19 correct? Even a 20L is really big for a new snake like that.. Understand that if you got him from a breeder which I am assuming you did, he was more than likely in a 6qish tub... You have changed that dramatically.. Probably one of the main reasons he is a little defensive.. He went from a rack and tub to a wide open fish tank.. I would NOT recommend anything close to a t10 for a long while.. I would make sure that the 20L isn't too big and he eats and adapts for you..

Good Luck..

I think (and this my opinion, I'm fairly new to snake owning) that a 20L is fine as long as you put enough clutter in it. Multiple hides, some branches, some fake plastic plants (as long as there are no sharp or poky edges). Im not really sure how old my guy is but he was 123g when I got him and about 160ish or so now and he has never had a problem in his 20l. I'll post a picture of it below. He has 3 hides, one log, two water bowels (added the second one to help with humidity), climbing sticks and fake plants. Plenty of places to hide and room to stretch out. Also, he eats great. Hasn't passed up a meal since I got him. I would go ahead and order the bigger cage if you want. Sounds like it may take a while to get it anyways. If it takes several months to get he should grow enough to be ready or almost ready to upgrade by the time you get it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d23a3740b3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1e0aa278fa.jpg

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I haven’t had the bad experience that Calm had. For me there are pros and cons.

Pro: Nice thick beefy doors with heavy duty latches. There is no way a snake can open those doors.

Drop down door is great for cleaning and reaching the hard places.

Lightweight, easy to move by yourself.

Con: Lightweight and thin material makes it difficult to use screws for customization.

Must be careful what goes on top of cage, they will sag unless it’s something like another Boaphile the same size.

If you want an RHP you Must order theirs at time of order so they can add their built in bracket template. If you want to use a different RHP, you must use nuts
and bolts for mounting due to the thin material. This means you won’t be able to stack due the nuts and protruding bolts on top.

Drop down doors are considered a negative by some when it comes time to feed, but I have no problem, and Punch is big and an Extremely aggressive eater.


Bottomline, if you order the Boaphiles set up for how you plan to always use them, they are great, Like what Dakski did. However, if you think custom changes may be needed in the future like adding bars, poles, plastic vegetation screwed in, etc; then you will have challenges that may or may not be over come.

Hope this helps. :)

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Thank you sir!
That definitely helped. I'll be keeping an eye on AP hoping they have a sale on the T12 at some point. I've definitely got plenty of time before the little Bredli girl is ready for that.

First off, I'm so impressed with how kind and informative everyone has been on these forums so far. I know everyone does things just *slightly* differently with their BPs and I appreciate the insight and information from ALL of you.

Yes, so far my new little guy has been a bit defensive. I don't blame him. He's had a stressful few days adjusting to his new environment, traveling, etc... we cluttered the 20L up quite a bit. I'm not at home at the moment or I would grab some photos to show y'all! I figured it'll take nearly half a year to get the AP enclosure, and if he's still a bit small for it I am very happy to wait before we put him in it.

I've heard nothing but amazing things about Bob at Pro Products. My BP breeder RAVED about him and Ali at AP as well. When I emailed asking about lead times Ali said they've had some hiccups with the new facility, but with the reputation they have, I am not hesitating to order sometime this week.

I plan to put TONS of clutter, hides, water bowls, etc... in the T10. My goal is for it to be a total safe haven for my BP filled with plenty of places for him to explore and hide.

Sounds like you are on a good path WW, as well as having a good plan. :)