Mystery Clutch - HELP!

So... I got this snake. Less than 2 months later she laid 6 eggs. These are the first four out of their eggs. The person I got her from swears he never paired her and he got her when she was 600 grams. She was 1800 grams when she came to me. I didn't pair her with anything. She's a black pastel, pastel, spider. What the heck are they? Could this be a partho clutch and she's het clown and maybe some other stuff? I'm waiting on 2 more to come out. All pipped well.

I'll update when the last are out and again after they shed.

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Mom
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How long did the previous owner have her? from what age to what age? Not speaking for BPs specifically, but other snakes can mate & retain fertility for a year
& some for several years+. It's seems unlikely to be a "partho clutch" because typically there is a high likelihood of defects with many that cannot survive. These
look awfully healthy & normal for that to be the case. I'd guess that her first owner tried pairing her (at about 500-600 grams) & since she was too young/small,
nothing happened until she grew & was now physically able to give them a go? Just my guess though? Others will have to help with morphs, I don't breed BPs,
but they're interesting for sure...I assume you're elated? ;)

He bought her when she was about 18 months old. She's 3 years old now. I was planning on pairing her this fall to a mystic potion. I'm totally ecstatic.

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Originally Posted by Reposado

He bought her when she was about 18 months old. She's 3 years old now. I was planning on pairing her this fall to a mystic potion. I'm totally ecstatic.

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So when he bought her she was old enough or big enough that the original owner may have co-habbed her with one or more males, maybe thinking it was OK,

maybe just to see what happens or thinking all were the same gender, or not knowing it wasn't a good idea to house together? One way or another, a male got

the job done, but her body wasn't ready yet, until now. Heck of a surprise, eh? :D FYI, I had a corn snake many years ago that laid good eggs for FIVE years total

after one mating...:rolleyes: The downside is that snakes that reproduce when they're still too young & growing may have a shortened life, as breeding takes quite the

toll on their body, especially immature snakes. If you like what she has produced (lol) you'd probably be wise to hold-back at least one offspring, and don't let it

breed so young. The snakes I've bred have never been under 4 years old (not BPs, but same idea).

They kinda look like they might have leopard in them [emoji50] they're gorgeous!

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Im almost 100% positive they are leopard bumble bees (leopard pastel spider) at the very least. And that other baby is a leopard spider

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Originally Posted by Alexiel03

Im almost 100% positive they are leopard bumble bees (leopard pastel spider) at the very least. And that other baby is a leopard spider

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I'm thinking pinstripe too, especially with the one with finer markings.

This is snake #5. Waiting on one more to come out

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Such a cute mystery! It's crazy how snakes can hold back sperm and decide when they want to lay eggs. :)

I'd say you hit the jackpot. Your snake just paid for herself. I really like the dark leopard!

All out, group shot.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...utch_thumb.jpg

I'm thinking Leopard Pastel was the daddy, though Leopard Pastel Clown Spider looks a LOT like a couple of these. The head stamps are really throwing me off.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-pastel-spider

So, I've ID'd the rest of the clutch as leopard spider, leopard spider pastel, and leopard spider super pastel. This one still vexes me. He's had one shed and is developing very pale yellow.
I'm thinking super pastel lesser leopard pinstripe? Maybe? This is the only one from the clutch that doesn't look as obviously spider to me though he looks a bit like this one
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...ouded-leopard/ and this one but his pattern is busier, http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/gumball

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Another shot of mom
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If your guess is correct and the father is pastel leopard which I think looks correct for all the other babies, then I'm pretty sure you hit all the genes with this one, super pastel, black pastel, spider and leopard. That's my guess at least and I could see it being correct. The coloring reminds me of a dreamcatcher which is pastel fire black pastel OD. I don't think you have OD or fire in the mix but if you hit the super pastel that would make up for not having fire in the mix giving yours a similar color and the crazy busy pattern would be from the leopard and spider. Either that or you have another unaccounted for gene in the mix but I'm not spotting anything else in the rest of the clutch. Sometimes when you get so many genes in one snake, it does some crazy stuff and they don't end up looking like you would expect. Cool snake whatever it is, congrats!