Is this real?

Hi guys, I've got kind of a weird question for y'all today. I had a dream last night about a snake, it looked sort of like a bull snake but it wasn't quite as heavy bodied, like it sort of looked like a corn but with bull snake markings. There's no chance this a real snake, right? It sounds silly to me now that I'm actually typing it but it was such a cool snake I just have to make sure [emoji23] maybe I was just dreaming about bull snakes and my sleeping brain forgot what they looked like haha

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A Pine snake feasibly?

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gopher snakes?

I have seen a few hybrids so maybe you got a fleeting glimpse of one and it stuck!

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gopher snakes?

I have seen a few hybrids so maybe you got a fleeting glimpse of one and it stuck!

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I just looked them up and wow yeah I think that's what it was haha! That's so funny, I've heard of gopher snakes but I had no idea what they actually looked like (or at least I thought I didn't lol). Thanks!

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It's possible that you heard or saw something about a hybrid. I'm fiercely opposed to such things, but there are "those" who experiment & have managed to
breed such things as "jungle corns" (a hybrid corn & king snake) so I'd not be surprised (only sad & angry) if they've done the same thing with a corn & bull snake.
Nature ("natural selection") gets it right, IMO...humans just mess things up for profit, novelty and showing off.

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I just looked them up and wow yeah I think that's what it was haha! That's so funny, I've heard of gopher snakes but I had no idea what they actually looked like (or at least I thought I didn't lol). Thanks!

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There are also some smaller "dwarf" gopher snakes* being captive bred. We had lots of gopher snakes in So. Calif. when I lived there, they are nature's best mouse-traps ;) & very intelligent & cool serpents...active by day (unless too hot). And you're right, not quite as big or heavy-bodied as bull snakes...I've had both (& raised both).

*for example: https://www.nps.gov/chis/learn/nature/gopher-snake.htm

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There are also some smaller "dwarf" gopher snakes* being captive bred. We had lots of gopher snakes in So. Calif. when I lived there, they are nature's best mouse-traps ;) & very intelligent & cool serpents...active by day (unless too hot). And you're right, not quite as big or heavy-bodied as bull snakes...I've had both (& raised both).

*for example: https://www.nps.gov/chis/learn/nature/gopher-snake.htm

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I've been looking a bit into gopher snakes since I saw that reply and they sound really cool, I love the look if bull snakes but if I'm being honest their temperaments scare me a bit haha, so a snake that looks similar but a bit smaller and more docile sounds amazing to me. I think I'm gonna keep researching them a bit as they've really piqued my interest, if you have any general info about them you'd be willing to share I'd really appreciate it!

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Anything is possible in a dream :). My bull snake reminds me of a larger Okeetee corn snake sometimes. They're temperaments aren't that bad either. They can be a little hissy as young ones but they usually mellow out. My male hasn't struck at me in years but the female does have the occasional bad days.

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I had a dream about a ball python that had the colors of a Hershey hug, it's not any morph I've ever seen yet I dreamed it up. I tried to look it up and the closet thing I can find is this except the brown was darker and more defined.
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Is there such a morph that looks like this but with a darker brown like a Hershey hug?
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I dream about my normal ball python Crowley all the time, for some reason I never have 1 of him, once he turned into 2 snakes and once he had babies (no mother, I know that doesn't make sense but dreams never do). Then this dream where I got Crowley a Hershey hug colored girlfriend.

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Anything is possible in a dream :). My bull snake reminds me of a larger Okeetee corn snake sometimes. They're temperaments aren't that bad either. They can be a little hissy as young ones but they usually mellow out. My male hasn't struck at me in years but the female does have the occasional bad days.

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Wow he's absolutely gorgeous!! I think bull snakes are probably one of my favorite looking snakes along with red tail boas and tp ratsnakes, their patterns just get me! Plus the shape of their heads are adorable. Maybe some day when I'm a more experienced keeper but for right now I think they're just something to love from afar :)

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I had a dream about a ball python that had the colors of a Hershey hug, it's not any morph I've ever seen yet I dreamed it up. I tried to look it up and the closet thing I can find is this except the brown was darker and more defined.
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...70276bd8b8.jpg
Is there such a morph that looks like this but with a darker brown like a Hershey hug?
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...rsheyshugs.jpg
I dream about my normal ball python Crowley all the time, for some reason I never have 1 of him, once he turned into 2 snakes and once he had babies (no mother, I know that doesn't make sense but dreams never do). Then this dream where I got Crowley a Hershey hug colored girlfriend.

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Wow if that does exist I'd love to see it!!! And I have snake dreams allllll the time haha, this is the first time that I remember dreaming about a mystery snake though. Most of them are bp related (funny because, even though I love bps and my bp is amazing, they're not my favorite snake and I don't spend too many of my waking hours thinking about them) and a surprising amount of them involve finding them hiding around my house, like not escaped snakes, just finding them living in my house haha

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I've been looking a bit into gopher snakes since I saw that reply and they sound really cool, I love the look if bull snakes but if I'm being honest their temperaments scare me a bit haha, so a snake that looks similar but a bit smaller and more docile sounds amazing to me. I think I'm gonna keep researching them a bit as they've really piqued my interest, if you have any general info about them you'd be willing to share I'd really appreciate it!

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Pretty much keep them like you would a corn snake, just increase your enclosure size. I've lost more blood to north america rat snakes than I have to bulls and I breed the feisty little devils. Hatchlings can't even draw blood and I can count the times I've actually lost blood to an adult bull with one hand - not including feeding time errors when yours truly gets fancy throwing food at multiple snakes simultaneously. They'd much prefer to intimidate you with loud noises, impressive posturing and mock strikes. Sometimes they overextend a bit with the mock strikes and hit me but by that point their mouth is already closed and they're retracting as fast as possible so you only got a headbutt. They're the ultimate cowards and the last thing they want is to accidentally hook a few teeth in the perceived threat(you) so open mouth strikes are pretty darn rare. With some positive handling sessions, I've found that most bull snakes calm down just as easily as your typical corn snake.

If you're interested in something a bit smaller though, check out Pituophis catenifer annectens. The san diego gopher snake is a close cousin(same species, different subspecies) and is usually a foot or two shorter. If morphs are your thing, the applegate albino annectens are about as nice as albino gets in any species of snake, in my opinion.

I used to keep & raised some bull snakes too, gopher snakes as well. I can't remember any bites from anything other than hysterical hatchlings...they seem to be
pretty intelligent as snakes go, but their occasional bluff is impressive...they're great hissers & tail-vibrators.