This guy was found locally and was offered to me.

Please help identify for Me. Need to find out asap. They are talking about putting him down. I do have proper enclosure but want to be educated on what he is first.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...851d0b9c36.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...dd38884f64.jpg

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Mexican beaded lizard?

I'm not well versed in the lizard world so I'm of no help here but if that is in fact a Mexican beaded lizard aren't they venomous? Be sure to check with your local exotic pet laws.

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Originally Posted by Toad37

I'm not well versed in the lizard world so I'm of no help here but if that is in fact a Mexican beaded lizard aren't they venomous? Be sure to check with your local exotic pet laws.

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Did some research. Yes they are venomous and on the endangered species list. It is illegal for me to have him. Their best bet is the zoo and I put them in touch with a herper that works with the zoos reptiles that is a friend of mine. There are estimated to be less than 200 in existence. The guy that had him was breaking so many local laws.

Yep 100% heloderma horridum aka Mexican beaded lizard, check your local laws and handle with care. This is one of the two venomous lizards in the world the other being a gila monster. You can set him up in a 4 ft enclosure with aspen bedding and a hot basking side in the high 80s.

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Originally Posted by mdb730

Yep 100% heloderma horridum aka Mexican beaded lizard, check your local laws and handle with care. This is one of the two venomous lizards in the world the other being a gila monster. You can set him up in a 4 ft enclosure with aspen bedding and a hot basking side in the high 80s.

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They are on the endangered species list. Less than 200 in existence. No one is allowed to keep privately. He will be going to the local zoo.

I'm confused....

Was it "found locally"?

Or was there "a guy that had him"?

It is legal to own them here in PA, they are sold and traded at shows with Gila monsters. It all depends where you are located and your local laws on keeping venomous reptiles.

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It is legal to own them here in PA, they are sold and traded at shows with Gila monsters. It all depends where you are located and your local laws on keeping venomous reptiles.

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If it is on the endangered species list then a federal permit from US FWS is needed to keep it.

They are not on the endangered species list and you do not require a permit to own one in most states. The main hurdle is they can't be shipped like you would none venomous reptiles. They require shipping via delta airlines.

According to a quick Google search...

They are on the CITES protected list. Not endangered.

If they're commonly being sold locally at shows, there are obviously more than 200 in the world.

Mexican Beaded lizards are considered threatened due to poaching and illegal trade. They are covered by CITES.

Gila Monsters are considered "near-threatened" but not covered by CITES.

Mexican Beaded lizards are considered threatened due to poaching and illegal trade. They are covered by CITES.

Gila Monsters are considered "near-threatened" but not covered by CITES.



The "200 in the world" may have come from wikipedia - it states that there are less than 200 left specifically in the country of Guatemala, which is why it's on the CITES list.

Eh, sorry for the double post, I messed up somewhere!

You are referring to Heloderma charlesbogerti aka Guatemala beaded lizard which is a subspecies of Heloderma horridum (Mexican beaded Lizard) which is what is found in the pet trade here and not on CITES list last time I checked. Point being if you are allowed to keep venomous herps in your state you are allowed to keep this lizard if you want.

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I'm confused....

Was it "found locally"?

Or was there "a guy that had him"?

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The animal shelter had someone turn him in when they found him in their yard. He is clearly an escapee pet.

Thanks everyone for chiming in. Like I said, I know almost nothing about them. He is going to the local zoo. He will be well cared for.

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Mexican Beaded lizards are considered threatened due to poaching and illegal trade. They are covered by CITES.

Gila Monsters are considered "near-threatened" but not covered by CITES.

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All Heloderma species are CITES listed under Appendix II.
Heloderma horridum charlesbogarti is given additional protection as it is in Appendix I.

Anyway, the local zoo is a great outcome. :gj: good call...

Taking on a venomous or other difficult species on the spur of the moment without first researching & being really ready for it is asking for problems.
And it may have health issues too, you can't assume it's even healthy.