Aspen shavings

Is it safe to use aspen shavings with a ball python? His tank needs to be cleaned and I currently can’t get anything else. I already have aspen shavings on hand.


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It's generally not an ideal substrate for ball pythons due to humidity issues, but yes, it's safe to use. I use it with my carpet python. The issue with BPs is that Aspen doesn't hold humidity like cypress or coconut, and in a damp or high humidity environment Aspen can grow mold. Just keep your eye on the substrate for mold, or if it gets too wet...but for a temporary solution it should be fine

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Originally Posted by Wharf Rat

It's generally not an ideal substrate for ball pythons due to humidity issues, but yes, it's safe to use. I use it with my carpet python. The issue with BPs is that Aspen doesn't hold humidity like cypress or coconut, and in a damp or high humidity environment Aspen can grow mold. Just keep your eye on the substrate for mold, or if it gets too wet...but for a temporary solution it should be fine

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Thanks. I’ll only use it until I can get the better stuff. So far the humidity has been fine without needing to use anything like a fogger.


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Originally Posted by Parsons483

Is it safe to use aspen shavings with a ball python? His tank needs to be cleaned and I currently can’t get anything else. I already have aspen shavings on hand.


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Absolutely Yes, it is what I use the most. I got mine at Walmart in the pet dept, but then I only have the one noodle. :snake:
I like Eco Earth and Reptile Prime as well but they are more costly than Aspen. What you don't want to ever use is Cedar and Pine, but especially Cedar.

I've been using it for years with no issues.

I personally can't stand Aspen, especially for BPs and other species which have higher humidity requirements. It's messy, doesn't hold humidity, molds, etc...and I don't like how it looks at all.

I only use it for my hognose since they require low humidity. He's able to burrow and it holds his tunnels.

I personally wouldn't bother cleaning the enclosure until I could put Eco Earth and ReptiBark in the enclosure.


Just curious...do you live somewhere that makes it hard for you to get substrate?

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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

I personally can't stand Aspen, especially for BPs and other species which have higher humidity requirements. It's messy, doesn't hold humidity, molds, etc...and I don't like how it looks at all.

I only use it for my hognose since they require low humidity. He's able to burrow and it holds his tunnels.

I personally wouldn't bother cleaning the enclosure until I could put Eco Earth and ReptiBark in the enclosure.


Just curious...do you live somewhere that makes it hard for you to get substrate?

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The reason it needs to be cleaned is because I don’t know how old the current substrate is. I have only had the snake for maybe 3 weeks. I bought it off a woman who left her husband and the snake was his so she didn’t know. But anyway the tank is starting to smell and I noticed the snake trying to dig into it. I have no idea why he is doing it but I was going to give this a try


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Originally Posted by Parsons483

The reason it needs to be cleaned is because I don’t know how old the current substrate is. I have only had the snake for maybe 3 weeks. I bought it off a woman who left her husband and the snake was his so she didn’t know. But anyway the tank is starting to smell and I noticed the snake trying to dig into it. I have no idea why he is doing it but I was going to give this a try


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Ok, how soon can you get new substrate?

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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

Ok, how soon can you get new substrate?

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Another week maybe 2 before I can order it.(my local pet store don’t carry the substrate specifically for reptiles and if they did it would cost a looot more than online)


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Originally Posted by Parsons483

Another week maybe 2 before I can order it.(my local pet store don’t carry the substrate specifically for reptiles and if they did it would cost a looot more than online)


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Can't you order from Chewy or Amazon? It would be delivered within 2 days.

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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

Can't you order from Chewy or Amazon? It would be delivered within 2 days.

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I’m in Newfoundland Canada. And I currently do not have the money to order it yet hence the week or two wait. And it would take about a week with amazon.


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Originally Posted by Parsons483

I’m in Newfoundland Canada. And I currently do not have the money to order it yet hence the week or two wait. And it would take about a week with amazon.


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Ah, ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Sorry if I kinda put you on the spot.

Now please understand that I'm not criticizing here, just trying to help you and your pet.

It's EXTREMELY important to make sure you have the resources to provide a proper home for your pets. Things CAN and WILL go wrong, break down, etc...

So try to stash some money aside ASAP. Equipment breaks, heating equipment, thermostats, etc...break down. So having money for emergency equipment could be the difference between the animal surviving or not.

Also, snakes CAN and DO get sick or injured. So having an emergency vet stash of cash around is vital here too. If you can't afford e few hundred dollar vet visit who suffers? The animal.

Again, not trying to give you a hard time. But that animal is now relying solely on YOU to not just survive, but thrive in your care.

Good luck, please ask all the questions you may have. We're happy to help.

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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

Ah, ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Sorry if I kinda put you on the spot.

Now please understand that I'm not criticizing here, just trying to help you and your pet.

It's EXTREMELY important to make sure you have the resources to provide a proper home for your pets. Things CAN and WILL go wrong, break down, etc...

So try to stash some money aside ASAP. Equipment breaks, heating equipment, thermostats, etc...break down. So having money for emergency equipment could be the difference between the animal surviving or not.

Also, snakes CAN and DO get sick or injured. So having an emergency vet stash of cash around is vital here too. If you can't afford e few hundred dollar vet visit who suffers? The animal.

Again, not trying to give you a hard time. But that animal is now relying solely on YOU to not just survive, but thrive in your care.

Good luck, please ask all the questions you may have. We're happy to help.

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Yeah I am well aware. That’s why I was making sure the aspen shavings were ok temporarily.


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Originally Posted by Parsons483

Yeah I am well aware. That’s why I was making sure the aspen shavings were ok temporarily.


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Well, if you're well aware, why did you purchase an animal if you can't even afford substrate?

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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

Well, if you're well aware, why did you purchase an animal if you can't even afford substrate?

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I didn’t say I couldn’t afford the substrate. I said currently for the next week or so. I wasn’t expecting to need more substrate so soon.


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Use paper towels. I would treat any new snakes as if they come with mites and quarantine them as such, and since you are cleaning his cage, using paper towels should help you spot any problems you would otherwise not easily see with substrate. Add a humid box in the meantime if you worry about humidity. I used aspen in tubs and glass tanks, for both humidity and non-humidity required species. But for new snakes, unless it is a shy eater that burrows, I would use paper towels to check for any signs of mites or other illness and then go from there.

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I didn’t say I couldn’t afford the substrate. I said currently for the next week or so. I wasn’t expecting to need more substrate so soon.


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Ok. I'm not going to argue. But if you can't afford substrate for a few weeks...
What are you going to do if the animal needs a vet?
What are you going to do if heating equipment fails?
What are you gonna do if the thermostat fails (although based on your description of the previous owners setup I doubt there is one)?

Taking on an animal that was already poorly cared for drastically increases the odds of needing a vet or equipment upgrades.

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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

Ok. I'm not going to argue. But if you can't afford substrate for a few weeks...
What are you going to do if the animal needs a vet?
What are you going to do if heating equipment fails?
What are you gonna do if the thermostat fails (although based on your description of the previous owners setup I doubt there is one)?

Taking on an animal that was already poorly cared for drastically increases the odds of needing a vet or equipment upgrades.

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Ok dude lay off your trying to start an argument now. I also didn’t say it was poorly taken care of either. Maybe a little underfed but due to divorce the snake was kinda back burnered. As I said I only had it for about 3 weeks.


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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

I personally can't stand Aspen, especially for BPs and other species which have higher humidity requirements. It's messy, doesn't hold humidity, molds, etc...and I don't like how it looks at all.

I only use it for my hognose since they require low humidity. He's able to burrow and it holds his tunnels.

I personally wouldn't bother cleaning the enclosure until I could put Eco Earth and ReptiBark in the enclosure.


Just curious...do you live somewhere that makes it hard for you to get substrate?

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I have a deposit on a Rosy Boa, they too require low humidity and burrow, have you ever used paper towels? If you have, why do you choose aspen over paper towels?


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Originally Posted by Cheesenugget

Use paper towels. I would treat any new snakes as if they come with mites and quarantine them as such, and since you are cleaning his cage, using paper towels should help you spot any problems you would otherwise not easily see with substrate. Add a humid box in the meantime if you worry about humidity. I used aspen in tubs and glass tanks, for both humidity and non-humidity required species. But for new snakes, unless it is a shy eater that burrows, I would use paper towels to check for any signs of mites or other illness and then go from there.

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Thank you. He’s in a 30 gallon long tank


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Originally Posted by NewmanLovesSnakes

I have a deposit on a Rosy Boa, they too require low humidity and burrow, have you ever used paper towels? If you have, why do you choose aspen over paper towels?


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I don't keep rosy boas, so can't give advice on proper substrate for them.

I am NOT a paper towel person. These are snakes, not snadwiches. I'm not a butcher paper or newspaper guy either. It just looks so boring to me and provides nothing to the animal. It's easier for the keeper, sure, but snakes are so darn easy any way.
I prefer more naturalistic enclosures where I can at least somewhat mimic their natural environment.

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Well, if you're well aware, why did you purchase an animal if you can't even afford substrate?

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This is the kind of comment trust comes off abrasive man. There’s no need for that here, he came her for support not to be criticized. That kind response will just make someone mad and shy them away from the forum.


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Originally Posted by Parsons483

Ok dude lay off your trying to start an argument now. I also didn’t say it was poorly taken care of either. Maybe a little underfed but due to divorce the snake was kinda back burnered. As I said I only had it for about 3 weeks.


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I'm not trying to to start an argument. I'm raising valid points about how to properly and responsibly care for an animal. You can get defensive if you want, but I'm not here to sugar coat or baby people. I'm sharing factual information that may save an animals life and steer people in the right direction and learn from the mistakes at hand.

But I guess you're not interested in that, so I'll move on.

Hopefully some new people reading this thread will learn something.

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I don't keep rosy boas, so can't give advice on proper substrate for them.

I am NOT a paper towel person. These are snakes, not snadwiches. I'm not a butcher paper or newspaper guy either. It just looks so boring to me and provides nothing to the animal. It's easier for the keeper, sure, but snakes are so darn easy any way.
I prefer more naturalistic enclosures where I can at least somewhat mimic their natural environment.

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I appreciate the advise, I’ll try both and see how they work and then determine which one works better I guess. Any thing that will keep the humidity down and don’t look too bad is going to be my go to, where I’m from it’s too humid.


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Originally Posted by NewmanLovesSnakes

This is the kind of comment trust comes off abrasive man. There’s no need for that here, he came her for support not to be criticized. That kind response will just make someone mad and shy them away from the forum.


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I respect your opinion, but disagree. People do come here to learn, and if OP isn't willing to do things with the animals best interest at heart than I will do what I can to correct that and teach other potential newbies.

Bottom line = keeping pets is a responsibility. If you can't properly care for them it's not fair to the animal to bring them home. These are living creatures who don't have a choice. WE have the choice...

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I'm not trying to to start an argument. I'm raising valid points about how to properly and responsibly care for an animal. You can get defensive if you want, but I'm not here to sugar coat or baby people. I'm sharing factual information that may save an animals life and steer people in the right direction and learn from the mistakes at hand.

But I guess you're not interested in that, so I'll move on.

Hopefully some new people reading this thread will learn something.

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Yes and the points you brought up I have already thought about. And as I have only had the snake three weeks and on short notice might I add I haven’t had the chance to get the new substrate I do have back up heating. But the way you responded was like I was being attacked and completely was opposite of what I was asking.But my question is answered now and I did some more research along with it too.




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Originally Posted by Parsons483

Yes and the points you brought up I have already thought about. And as I have only had the snake three weeks and on short notice might I add I haven’t had the chance to get the new substrate I do have back up heating. But the way you responded was like I was being attacked and completely was opposite of what I was asking.But my question is answered now and I did some more research along with it too.




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Ok, look, I'm not here to make enemies. In fact,I've made a handful of good friends through the forum.

But I just get frustrated when people say "I know" or "I'm well aware" without any regard for the animal.

I get it, impulse purchases happen. But these are LIVING CREATURES.
You didn't HAVE to buy that animal. You could have saved money, done research and bought a snake when the time was right for you and the animal.

All that said, I have no grudge and didn't intend for it to come off as a personal attack. I apologise if it came across that way.

But I feel it's extremely important to steer people in the right direction. Countless people use this forum as a learning tool. Some of which are just scratching the surface and trying to learn about these animals to decide if a snake would make a good pet for them.
So, I try to make sure that they're learning. Not just reading care sheets and moving on. But it's important to share mistakes as well. This way hopefully someone else learns and their first experience with their pet snake is as good as possible for all involved.

Again, no grudge. And sorry if I offended you.
I truly wish you and your snake all the best.

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I respect your opinion, but disagree. People do come here to learn, and if OP isn't willing to do things with the animals best interest at heart than I will do what I can to correct that and teach other potential newbies.

Bottom line = keeping pets is a responsibility. If you can't properly care for them it's not fair to the animal to bring them home. These are living creatures who don't have a choice. WE have the choice...

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You can offer the same advise and just choose your wording better so you don’t come off sounding argumentative. Your advise is 100% correct. You can clearly relate a point in many different ways without turning your comments into something that feels like an attack.


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You can offer the same advise and just choose your wording better so you don’t come off sounding argumentative. Your advise is 100% correct. You can clearly relate a point in many different ways without turning your comments into something that feels like an attack.




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Again, I respect your opinion, but disagree. I simply stated facts and proposed questions.
If I was name calling, insulting or something of the sort, then you'd have a valid point, in my opinion.

It's a sad world we live in when people get butthurt over being corrected. Why ask questions if you don't want answers? And any which way, I don't recall you being a part of the conversation, so not sure what your issue is...

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Again, I respect your opinion, but disagree. I simply stated facts and proposed questions.
If I was name calling, insulting or something of the sort, then you'd have a valid point, in my opinion.

It's a sad world we live in when people get butthurt over being corrected. Why ask questions if you don't want answers? And any which way, I don't recall you being a part of the conversation, so not sure what your issue is...

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All I asked for was people’s opinion on aspen shavings...


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All I asked for was people’s opinion on aspen shavings...


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Ok, well I tried to help you and your animal. I guess I'll just walk away from this thread.

From now on maybe I'll start asking people for permission to go above and beyond to try to help them and their pets...

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Ok, well I tried to help you and your animal. I guess I'll just walk away from this thread.

From now on maybe I'll start asking people for permission to go above and beyond to try to help them and their pets...

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Maybe try answering their question and give further advice if they ask for it... and do it in a way that doesn’t come off as rude and insulting.


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Maybe try answering their question and give further advice if they ask for it... and do it in a way that doesn’t come off as rude and insulting.


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I still don't think a single thing I said was rude or insulting.

Maybe I just need to accept that the world is going marshmallow soft. Seems way too many people are messing their Huggies when receiving constructive criticism.
Any way, I'm done with this thread and done with people who whine when people try to help.

Peace

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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

Again, I respect your opinion, but disagree. I simply stated facts and proposed questions.
If I was name calling, insulting or something of the sort, then you'd have a valid point, in my opinion.

It's a sad world we live in when people get butthurt over being corrected. Why ask questions if you don't want answers? And any which way, I don't recall you being a part of the conversation, so not sure what your issue is...

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I’m pretty sure I stated what the issue is, but with your mindset we are going to get absolutely no where with this conversation. I’ll state it a little more clearly. Your word choice and how you came across is like a personal attack. When I said the same thing to you last week about how I did not specifically address you, you Pm’ed me telling me that was not cool and I apologized but I understand you have double standards. Do me the favor and when you see my post don’t offer me any advise at all. If your cool with treating people like dirt with how you offer advise then that’s fine with me. You have obviously missed the point that true advise does not have to come off sound, attackish or judgmental. You want to give advise but can’t accept advise in return.


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I’m pretty sure I stated what the issue is, but with your mindset we are going to get absolutely no where with this conversation. I’ll state it a little more clearly. Your word choice and how you came across is like a personal attack. When I said the same thing to you last week about how I did not specifically address you, you Pm’ed me telling me that was not cool and I apologized but I understand you have double standards. Do me the favor and when you see my post don’t offer me any advise at all. If your cool with treating people like dirt with how you offer advise then that’s fine with me. You have obviously missed the point that true advise does not have to come off sound, attackish or judgmental. You want to give advise but can’t accept advise in return. You talk about the world going soft but I can promise you in person you would think about talking to people a little differently vs over the internet.


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I detest aspen ...

It looks completely unnatural , won’t hold any humidity, it ‘seems’ to drain the colour out of the snakes ..plus it gets all over the house and carpets !!

Repti/Orchid bark is the polar opposite to aspen as it looks natural , enhances the snake colouration and us fabulous for regulating humidity

Aspen
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Orchid bark https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4fd5deeb9c.jpg


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I’m pretty sure I stated what the issue is, but with your mindset we are going to get absolutely no where with this conversation. I’ll state it a little more clearly. Your word choice and how you came across is like a personal attack. When I said the same thing to you last week about how I did not specifically address you, you Pm’ed me telling me that was not cool and I apologized but I understand you have double standards. Do me the favor and when you see my post don’t offer me any advise at all. If your cool with treating people like dirt with how you offer advise then that’s fine with me. You have obviously missed the point that true advise does not have to come off sound, attackish or judgmental. You want to give advise but can’t accept advise in return.


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I'll be happy to ignore you.

But I'm curious, can you site specific examples of how my "word choice came of as a personal attack"?? Cause I NEVER said anything about the person as a whole.

Show me EXACTLY what was "attackish or judgemental".

I'm happy to take advice. But simply whining isn't going to get me to change my mind. If you can show me anything that was rude, judgemental or a personal attack I will gladly eat my words. I don't treat people like dirt, and there's a reason my reputation rating is as high as it is. Sometimes people just need to toughen up. I am so sick of having to sugar coat, walk on eggshells and talk to people like they're kindergartners.

Just so you know, I've had multiple people PM me and say that they agree that I've done nothing wrong in this thread.

I don't have double standards, I just have no patience for people who say things like "I'm well aware" yet have done nothing right in the situation.

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I detest aspen ...

It looks completely unnatural , won’t hold any humidity, it ‘seems’ to drain the colour out of the snakes ..plus it gets all over the house and carpets !!

Repti/Orchid bark is the polar opposite to aspen as it looks natural , enhances the snake colouration and us fabulous for regulating humidity

Aspen
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Orchid bark https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4fd5deeb9c.jpg


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I only need to use it for a few weeks until I can get the god stuff. The repti orchid looks what’s in there already so I will get that when I get paid thank you


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So I have been following this thread for a bit. I don't understand why you think that he was trying to attack you. He simply told u what was wrong. Granted it was a bit gruff, but in no way did he try to insult you. He didnt call you names, or attack your beliefs. He simply stated what was wrong. Now you may not like what he said, or appreaciate the tone, but in no way did he try to attack you. He simply stated your husbandry needed improvment. Just because you dont like how someone approaches you that does not mean its an attack. You need to learn to have a thick skin. All of the points he brought up were completely valid. He did not say one thing that did not have to do with husbandry. I would go through each post one by one, but I am not going to waste my time.

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So I have been following this thread for a bit. I don't understand why you think that he was trying to attack you. He simply told u what was wrong. Granted it was a bit gruff, but in no way did he try to insult you. He didnt call you names, or attack your beliefs. He simply stated what was wrong. Now you may not like what he said, or appreaciate the tone, but in no way did he try to attack you. He simply stated your husbandry needed improvment. Just because you dont like how someone approaches you that does not mean its an attack. You need to learn to have a thick skin. All of the points he brought up were completely valid. He did not say one thing that did not have to do with husbandry. I would go through each post one by one, but I am not going to waste my time.

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Thank you.

I've gone through EVERY WORD multiple times and can't for the life of me figure out how any of it was taken as personal, an attack or even rude. Just blunt.

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Thank you.

I've gone through EVERY WORD multiple times and can't for the life of me figure out how any of it was taken as personal, an attack or even rude. Just blunt.

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I swapped to skimming the last 10 or so posts, but I didn't see anything rude or attacking either. I did find it a bit off-putting that both of you were "beating a dead horse" as it were after the first few back and forth posts. By then, it wasn't really doing much for the discussion.

For OP, I'd preference paper towel in the interim for a new snake. It is likely something also on-hand and is a very typical quarantine substrate so you can keep an eye on poops, potential mites, and any other weird discharge. Since it is only a few weeks until you can get the preferred substrate, it is perfectly fine. (Some keepers use it full time, or another paper substrate, so it isn't even a bad choice, only a personal one.)

Aspen is not the end of the world, but is probably not as good of a choice as paper towel or even newspaper.

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I'm not an aspen fan either. New snakes, I use white paper towels too, until I can assess their health (any mites? any strange feces, like with blood or mucus?).

I like & have used orchid bark...you can also buy it from nursery/landscaping businesses or florists...but try to be sure it's "organic" & not chemically treated. It
holds humidity, comes in small or large chunks, & offers excellent traction for a snake to work their "abs" (ventral muscles) on. Usually the "orchid bark" you get
from pet stores will cost a fortune for a little bag, compared to other sources that are a far better deal (big bags, lower price).

All the best...:snake:

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I'll be happy to ignore you.

But I'm curious, can you site specific examples of how my "word choice came of as a personal attack"?? Cause I NEVER said anything about the person as a whole.

Show me EXACTLY what was "attackish or judgemental".

I'm happy to take advice. But simply whining isn't going to get me to change my mind. If you can show me anything that was rude, judgemental or a personal attack I will gladly eat my words. I don't treat people like dirt, and there's a reason my reputation rating is as high as it is. Sometimes people just need to toughen up. I am so sick of having to sugar coat, walk on eggshells and talk to people like they're kindergartners.

Just so you know, I've had multiple people PM me and say that they agree that I've done nothing wrong in this thread.

I don't have double standards, I just have no patience for people who say things like "I'm well aware" yet have done nothing right in the situation.

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Dude don’t let him ruin your day, Peace