Game of Thrones SPOILERS

An Endgame spoilers thread was created, and now I'm making one for GoT, specifically the Battle of Winterfell.

Holy.Crap.

I have one question for everyone: "What do we say to the god of death?" BAH! :gj:


I loved it. I loved everything about it. My husband and I were literally cheering our heads off at the end of the episode, and I am SO pumped to see where everything goes from here.


Thoughts?

Arya is a beast! :)

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I was happy they went with a twist! I didn’t want it to be a John vs night king thing.

I watched it for the second time last night and I loved it. I was so stoked to see Arya stick it (literally) to the Night King. My two favorites have always been Arya and the Hound and it was good to see the Hound go to help Arya.

Now I have major questions about Bran. Where did he worg to and why? What I mean is, he wasn't using his "sight" to help direct the battle or give instructions. With the Night King out of the picture, what is Bran's role in the rest of the story? Could Bran be a "Day" King?

As heavy as this last episode was, I think it may have been a bit of a pump-fake for the last few episodes. A lot of people thought the death count of beloved characters would be much higher this past weekend, but I think that blow is still to come.

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I was happy they went with a twist! I didn’t want it to be a John vs night king thing.

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I'm actually glad that Jon was so ineffectual this episode. I like him as a character and am rooting for him, but it would have been fairly boring for him to take out the Night King. I knew as soon as Melisandre said blue eyes that it would be Arya... hoping green eyes means Cersei.

I definitely have some issues with how the Battle for Winterfell went (I mean, who REALLY expected almost all of the important characters to survive, especially since everyone was on the front lines...?) but I cannot wait for the next 3 Sundays!!!

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I knew as soon as Melisandre said blue eyes that it would be Arya... hoping green eyes means Cersei.

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YES YES YES, me too!

I've been thinking how Barric was brought back basically to save Arya and he died when he fulfilled his purpose. Being that Jon was also brought back from the dead, is he going to also die when his "purpose" is fulfilled, and does that somehow include protecting Arya too? It's already been shown that Arya is WAY more important to the story than was originally thought (though I think it's funny now that George RR Martin always said Arya was his wife's favorite character, which may have been a hint in hind-sight) and there are pieces of different prophesies that she could fit into.

In any case, I think this bodes ill for Jon, which will be crushing. But who knows with this series?

UGH, only four more days til we get more answers!!

The last episode was entertaining and the story line was fine but for all the money that had to be spent making it they could have at least dropped a couple dollars on some military advisers and historians to add just a tad bit of realism. I spent the first half hour cussing at the screen with my wife telling me the whole time to shut up it is just a tv show.

The best part was the little girl and the giant.

I love that Arya killed the NK, but there was something that bothered me.

The White Walkers have been built up as this looming existential threat across the entire series. The very first episode opens with the nascent WW army. And yet that entire eight year set up is resolved in a single episode? Even in GoT, which delights in disappointing its fans, this was a bit much.

It was established last season that each of the WW lieutenants had created their own wights, not just the NK. I'd have preferred that the NK is defeated but that the WWs carry on in a much reduced capacity. That way Winterfell could be saved and the WW could still threaten.

Ah, still a great show, so long as Cersei gets what's coming to her!

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Originally Posted by JRLongton

I love that Arya killed the NK, but there was something that bothered me.

The White Walkers have been built up as this looming existential threat across the entire series. The very first episode opens with the nascent WW army. And yet that entire eight year set up is resolved in a single episode? Even in GoT, which delights in disappointing its fans, this was a bit much.

It was established last season that each of the WW lieutenants had created their own wights, not just the NK. I'd have preferred that the NK is defeated but that the WWs carry on in a much reduced capacity. That way Winterfell could be saved and the WW could still threaten.

Ah, still a great show, so long as Cersei gets what's coming to her!

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I'm in agreement with you to be honest. I expected the battle against Cersei to be the one that was ended quickly, and then the battle against the WW to be the one that took place over multiple episodes and/or was even carried on after the show - I expected something similar to the Age of Heroes, if you're familiar with the books, where the Long Night occurs, but there's hope in having people fighting on. Now that seems to be turned on it's head a bit, which I'm okay with... but Cersei seriously needs to die. Now.

there's still so many questions. i was really hoping that Brand would call out to the Night King and get him to talk before one of them had died.

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it was a double-twist. Arya and then the feint dropping of the dagger. i just don't know how they will close the loop on the Prince That Was Promised prophecy now. has it been Arya all along?

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The last episode was entertaining and the story line was fine but for all the money that had to be spent making it they could have at least dropped a couple dollars on some military advisers and historians to add just a tad bit of realism. I spent the first half hour cussing at the screen with my wife telling me the whole time to shut up it is just a tv show.

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i'm not a military person but have played enough video games to know those were some dumb tactics by both sides. why not start w/ the dragons torching the dead while they were still miles out? why attack the front gates only and not flank all of Winterfell?

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I love that Arya killed the NK, but there was something that bothered me.

The White Walkers have been built up as this looming existential threat across the entire series. The very first episode opens with the nascent WW army. And yet that entire eight year set up is resolved in a single episode? Even in GoT, which delights in disappointing its fans, this was a bit much.

It was established last season that each of the WW lieutenants had created their own wights, not just the NK. I'd have preferred that the NK is defeated but that the WWs carry on in a much reduced capacity. That way Winterfell could be saved and the WW could still threaten.

Ah, still a great show, so long as Cersei gets what's coming to her!

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totes agreement. also i had a box of tissue waiting for a higher body count of the main characters and heroes. also Cersei has proven smarter to stay out of it. now Dany and Jon are way down in their army numbers.

anyways every fan theory out here was way better than what really happened in The Long Night. i enjoyed it still and hope the last 3 are mindblowing.

Tyrion will sit on the throne with Sansa as queen. John will be king in the north and Danny will be queen if she lives. Most of the rest are going to die.

i rewatched The Long Night this weekend and came to appreciate it more for it's direction, cinematography and score.

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Tyrion will sit on the throne with Sansa as queen. John will be king in the north and Danny will be queen if she lives. Most of the rest are going to die.

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i think i saw a hint of romance blossoming between Sansa and Tyrion in the crypt scenes and for a second thought they were gonna form a suicide pact when the dead rose from the cypts and they were hiding.

ok we see a divide growing between Dany and Jon in The Last Stark, and allegiances seems to be shifting. and i have krazy theory i'm piecing together from here and there. Dany will betray Jon when the secret gets out to everyone and she is quickly overthrown. Jon passes judgement and has to execute her (per Ned's code) but he stabs her through the heart b/c of love or whatever. his sword catches on fire as he is revealing him to be The Prince That Was Promised and Dany turns into the Night Queen white walker and somehow escapes North of the Wall. i'm sure that's how Azor Ahai won the first battle w/ the White Walkers by sacrificing/killing his love. i'm not sure how the last dragon Drogon will play into this tho.

Edit: Dany kills Drogon and takes him w/ her. and we all get the GOT movie in like 20years.

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i rewatched The Long Night this weekend and came to appreciate it more for it's direction, cinematography and score.


i think i saw a hint of romance blossoming between Sansa and Tyrion in the crypt scenes and for a second thought they were gonna form a suicide pact when the dead rose from the cypts and they were hiding.

ok we see a divide growing between Dany and Jon in The Last Stark, and allegiances seems to be shifting. and i have krazy theory i'm piecing together from here and there. Dany will betray Jon when the secret gets out to everyone and she is quickly overthrown. Jon passes judgement and has to execute her (per Ned's code) but he stabs her through the heart b/c of love or whatever. his sword catches on fire as he is revealing him to be The Prince That Was Promised and Dany turns into the Night Queen white walker and somehow escapes North of the Wall. i'm sure that's how Azor Ahai won the first battle w/ the White Walkers by sacrificing/killing his love. i'm not sure how the last dragon Drogon will play into this tho.

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Your guess is much more exciting than mine. I just think the dwarf is the one that should sit on the throne. He is the most capable of them all. This last episode I didn't care for too much. Too much "romance", and more military blunders. I still can't figure out how that many people are still left alive. Hopefully the next episode kicks it back up a couple notches.

omg Dany what have u done?! taht was a quick heel turn. i knew she was going mad in last night's episode when Vary's said she hasn't eaten, slept or left her chambers since Cersei executed Missandei and then in the 1st scene when i saw her disheveled hair and braids (lol). anyways i really enjoyed this episode. it was long on destruction (too long?) and short on dialogue, but the lines hit hard. also the Clegane Bowl delivered.

Dany's character change was not well developed and far too abrupt. I kind of get why she would torch the city, wanting to rule by fear instead of love, but not really.

Watching the episode last night, I could just keep thinking, really? REALLY? So they want to end with Dany as the mad queen taking after her father, but they just haven't developed that. For years, seasons 1-7 they set her up as the benevolent "Breaker of Chains". Now over the course of what, 10 minutes screen time, she's a crazed lunatic burning women and children? Nah, it doesn't wash.

This could be the reasonalbe ending of the show, but they needed more time, a lot more time, to develop that. This should've been a normal 10 episode season with one more to follow, then they'd have had time to do this right. It just seems rushed now.

GoT season 8 reminds me of the HBO series Rome. Season one was killer. They initially planned to do five seasons, but after the first they only got the green light for one more. So, season two was rushed and lackluster. It's too bad.

I'm a bit worried how the last episode will play out but I'm sure it's likely that Arya or Jon will kill Dany. Honestly though as long as Tyrion, Arya, and Ghost live that's all I care about. I'd love to see a romance between Tyrion and Sansa but I doubt it will happen... I'm mad how the show ruined Jaime's character growth by having him leave Brienne and go back to Cersei!

What ever happened to Nymeria and her army of wolves? Do you guys think she will come back in the final episode to help destroy Dany?

I agree with everyone saying this was a bit rushed. You saw bits and pieces of Dany's descent into madness, but I think there needed to more episodes to really get a feel for that. This sacking of King's Landing felt very abrupt. I understand she lost her "real" advisers and people she trusts: Jora, Missandei, Sir Baren, etc. I understand she feels alone and unloved and hates Westeros. But in the books, Martin makes it very clear that all Dany wants and has ever really wanted is a home and security, and I think throughout we've seen that; she wants a home, she wants people to be free and happy, and she thinks she can affect these changes by taking the throne is Westeros. Yes she's killed soldiers, but the wanton slaughter of women and children seems completely outside of everything the show has built. I wanted to see more of why she went down this path. As I told my husband, if Cersei has flown in on a dragon and destroyed the city, no one would've said a word. But because it was Dany, people are outraged lol

I read an article that I found super interesting: it stated that Targaryans are possibly driven mad by their connection to dragons, by their "dragon blood" or magic (obviously being able to walk through fire, etc). It pulled a lot of different sources from Martin's books and histories, how those Targaryans that were closest to the dragons were also the ones that ended up being the most cruel and destructive. Even the Mad King, Dany's father, talked about turning into a dragon. It's a path that the show could've explored, and would explain a lot of Dany's behavior... she's "being a dragon."

So,anyway, I'm going to choose this as my personal head canon lol


I've been rooting for Dany from the first so yeah, I was disappointed. I get why the show did it, and I understand that she pretty much has to die at this point - Jon Snow isn't going to let her continue as she is. He has far too much Stark in him. And that's going to be super sad and suck. But still... I'm not ANGRY like some people I've talked to. I think the episode was beautifully done. The effects were wonderful, the music was perfect (as always). It's a natural progression of a show that has always been shocking and sometimes distasteful, but always captivating. I bet no one turned the TV off and walked away when she started burning. :)

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I'm a bit worried how the last episode will play out but I'm sure it's likely that Arya or Jon will kill Dany. Honestly though as long as Tyrion, Arya, and Ghost live that's all I care about. I'd love to see a romance between Tyrion and Sansa but I doubt it will happen... I'm mad how the show ruined Jaime's character growth by having him leave Brienne and go back to Cersei!

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the show closed 2 redemption arcs - Theon and The Hound Sandor Clegane. Sandor's was really well done esp. his last scene w/ Arya. i agree that Jamie's falls short. i think Tyrion might be done for. he's gotta pay up to Bronn and i'm not too sure he could sell madd Dany on giving up High Garden.

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What ever happened to Nymeria and her army of wolves? Do you guys think she will come back in the final episode to help destroy Dany?

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i was totally expecting Nymeria and her wolf army to show up and fight the army of the dead. i read somewhere that the wolves were really expensive to animate tho but they better show up in the final episode otherwise it's a wasted opportunity and plothole.

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I agree with everyone saying this was a bit rushed. You saw bits and pieces of Dany's descent into madness, but I think there needed to more episodes to really get a feel for that. This sacking of King's Landing felt very abrupt. I understand she lost her "real" advisers and people she trusts: Jora, Missandei, Sir Baren, etc. I understand she feels alone and unloved and hates Westeros. But in the books, Martin makes it very clear that all Dany wants and has ever really wanted is a home and security, and I think throughout we've seen that; she wants a home, she wants people to be free and happy, and she thinks she can affect these changes by taking the throne is Westeros. Yes she's killed soldiers, but the wanton slaughter of women and children seems completely outside of everything the show has built. I wanted to see more of why she went down this path. As I told my husband, if Cersei has flown in on a dragon and destroyed the city, no one would've said a word. But because it was Dany, people are outraged lol

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she was also rejected by Jon right? i think he chose to be a servant to Queen rather than a lover or whatever. after that, she prob considered him a threat. i think the show ends in Winterfell, where Dany tracks down Jon. Jon walks through dragon fire, captures and executes her per my theory above. or here's another crazy one: Jon dies, Arya uses his face to get close to Dany. she lets down her guard after hearing how he was already previously murdered and returned to life and Arya gets stabby while wearing Jon's mask.

Yeah, I'm making two predictions:

1. Arya Kills Daenerys; and
2. Jamie isn't dead, yet.

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Dany's character change was not well developed and far too abrupt. I kind of get why she would torch the city, wanting to rule by fear instead of love, but not really.

Watching the episode last night, I could just keep thinking, really? REALLY? So they want to end with Dany as the mad queen taking after her father, but they just haven't developed that. For years, seasons 1-7 they set her up as the benevolent "Breaker of Chains". Now over the course of what, 10 minutes screen time, she's a crazed lunatic burning women and children? Nah, it doesn't wash.

This could be the reasonalbe ending of the show, but they needed more time, a lot more time, to develop that. This should've been a normal 10 episode season with one more to follow, then they'd have had time to do this right. It just seems rushed now.

GoT season 8 reminds me of the HBO series Rome. Season one was killer. They initially planned to do five seasons, but after the first they only got the green light for one more. So, season two was rushed and lackluster. It's too bad.

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Two of my co-workers were saying the same thing as you about Dany's abrupt turn. They thought it felt like an afterthought that was tacked on. When I watched the episode I didn't quite feel the same way. I thought Dany did what she did because of Jon. I think she's paranoid about Jon's claim to the throne and felt that she would rather burn it all down rather than to let him have it. A "If I can't have it, no one will" mindset. Dany's own madness.

Once Dany decided to execute Vary's, I felt that she was not long for that world. Her madness dragged Grey Worm down as well. If Dany and Grey Worm survive the last episode, I'll have a huge issue with that.

Did anyone else feel the white horse near the end of the episode was being warged by Bran? I felt it maybe Bran guiding Arya where she needs to go. The death rides a pale horse symbolism was strong.

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Yeah, I'm making two predictions:

1. Arya Kills Daenerys; and
2. Jamie isn't dead, yet.

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I'm predicting:

1. Jon kills Grey Worm and Dany
2. Arya kills Drogon with Bran's aide (the dragons are the nukes of Westeros and need to come to an end)
3. The Iron Throne is dissolved and each kingdom is self-ruling but Tyrion will govern the South from a rebuilt King's Landing, Sansa will rule the North, etc.
4. Jon goes north, beyond the wall, to live with Ghost in peace (much like a wounded Frodo goes to the Undying Lands in The Lords of the Rings)

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I'm predicting:

1. Jon kills Grey Worm and Dany
2. Arya kills Drogon with Bran's aide (the dragons are the nukes of Westeros and need to come to an end)
3. The Iron Throne is dissolved and each kingdom is self-ruling but Tyrion will govern the South from a rebuilt King's Landing, Sansa will rule the North, etc.
4. Jon goes north, beyond the wall, to live with Ghost in peace (much like a wounded Frodo goes to the Undying Lands in The Lords of the Rings)

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I like it, especially #4. But I stick to my guns.

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I like it, especially #4. But I stick to my guns.

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In less than a week's time, we'll see how wrong we all are. :teevee: :omfg:

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Ok so it was all so rushed, and I totally missed what was going on with this. I thought he was just getting concerned, no idea he was actually activehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...690a85acf2.jpg

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And I heard an interesting theory today on this, which I don't really buy but was interesting. That Varys was slow poisoning Dany and that led to acceleration of the madness

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Correct, Varys was trying to poison Dany. Remember he tried the same thing for Robert at the beginning of the series. Tyrion's duty to Dany overrode his friendship with Varys and that's why he tells Dany of the plot. It was definitely a tough decision and after he sees what Dany does to the people of King's Landing, I'm sure he wishes Varys would have succeeded. Oh

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I just read a pretty good theory about why Varys placed his rings in the cup before he was lead away to his execution. The theory says that the poison Varys uses is kept in his rings. He places the rings in the cup with the hope that someone will eventually get to Dany.

I like it quite a bit actually and I think Tyrion would be the one to figure this out. I think that the Iron Throne will be dissolved and each of the Seven Kingdoms will be self-ruled and Tyrion will rule in the south from a rebuilt King's Landing and Sansa will rule in the north once the dust settles.

My husband and i just watched the most recent episode last night. I don't see why everyone was so stunned. I have seen the writing on the wall about Dany for a while now, at least from the beginning of season 7, and there were definite signs before that. She has been getting more and more ruthless and more paranoid and focused on the throne, not what is good for the people. I am not necessarily pleased that this is where the character has gone, but it was clear for a long time that she would reach a crossroads and have to make a choice.

FWIW my theory is that Aria will die killing Dany, and Jon will rule, but not as a king. I feel like its going to be more of a 7 member council, one from each kingdom, with Jon acting as the mediator. I don't feel like he will accept a crown again, but he really is the best person to rebuild.

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My husband and i just watched the most recent episode last night. I don't see why everyone was so stunned. I have seen the writing on the wall about Dany for a while now, at least from the beginning of season 7, and there were definite signs before that. She has been getting more and more ruthless and more paranoid and focused on the throne, not what is good for the people. I am not necessarily pleased that this is where the character has gone, but it was clear for a long time that she would reach a crossroads and have to make a choice.

FWIW my theory is that Aria will die killing Dany, and Jon will rule, but not as a king. I feel like its going to be more of a 7 member council, one from each kingdom, with Jon acting as the mediator. I don't feel like he will accept a crown again, but he really is the best person to rebuild.

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I agree that Dany started to devolve sometime back. I was team Dany right up until the moment when she killed the Tarlys (Sam's father and brother) for not bending the knee. Once she destroyed King's Landing, that was the final nail in the coffin for me. I see her as nonredeemable and I hope something comes out of Varys death. Grey Worm was a one of my favorites right up until he threw his spear into a surrendered solider.

I also think that the Seven Kingdoms will be self-ruled at the end but I see Tyrion ruling the south from a rebuilt King's Landing and Sansa ruling the north (Gendry at Storm's End and Yara Greyjoy at the Iron Islands, etc.). I think Jon will go north beyond the wall and live with Ghost in peace.

For my part, I would like to see an end to the dragons. They're like the nuclear weapons of that world and need to be destroyed (just my two cents :)). I would love to see Arya kill the last dragon with Bran's help.

In just a few days we'll all see just how wrong we all are. :P

51 hours people. To be honest, I'm really not nearly as excited for it as I was before episode 5

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51 hours people. To be honest, I'm really not nearly as excited for it as I was before episode 5

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i want to be even more upset than i already am w/ the show right now! they should kill Jon Snow. that would really piss everyone off. then have Arya wear his face to kill Dany and have Arya retire and be a lady to Gendry. a nice, proper subordinate Lady Arya as a thank u to all the fans.

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ok that's it, game over.

that was a quieter ending to the show then i woulda thought but i guess it all makes sense and ties up the story. i think looking back on Season 8, the problem wasn't w/ the story. it was the story telling from the HBO writers. we have griped about pacing, character development, etc. but i guess that goes to show how much they relied on the book's author. anyways this was the first fantasy fiction thing that i got into. i enjoyed the human conflict and political drama of the story telling as much (if not more) than the fantasy aspect.

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everybody got a lil bit of what they wanted in the end except for Jon. i mean Starbucks can't even spell his name correctly.

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I've watched the episode twice now and I like how it ended. I did enjoy the fact that they all wondered where Drogon may have gone. I personally felt that all the dragons should have been killed and I wanted Arya to stick Drogon.

I also liked how Tyrion still hasn't been able to finish his donkey and honeycomb joke.

I've watched it a couple times now - had to let everything sink in.

I, too, enjoyed the ending. I think the writers were more about big production than story, and they left a lot to the imagination of the audience, but still, it was a nice ending.

Here are my thoughts: Bran. Holy cow. If you really think about Bran, he truly played THE BEST game of thrones. Once he became the three-eyed raven, he was able to manipulate the pieces as he saw fit. He orchestrated the outcome of the Battle of Winterfell by giving Arya the dagger, he had the power to warn everyone about Dany but didn't, thus setting up the situation in which all of his enemies and rival to the throne would be removed and/or killed INCLUDING Jon. It is also hinted at that he now can possibly have the power of a dragon as if he finds Drogon, he may be able to warg into him and control him. The Stark family is completely set up after this, and I believe he orchestrated ALL of it in true GoT style. He left me with a very unsettled feeling too because a.) who's to say how long a three-eyed raven will live and b.) even though the council agreed to vote on new kings going forward, who's to say that Bran won't continually manipulate the outcome of said councils, and when he passes on the powers of the three-eyed raven, his successors don't continue to do the same?

As for Dany - ugh, I still love her. I can't help it. Tyrion was so right when he said that she believed in her destiny. She saw some horrible, horrible things, and experienced some horrible, horrible things done to her. She was bought and sold and tortured and all these other things, and she truly thought what she was doing was right in the end. She also thought that she still had Jon, that she still had ONE person in the whole world who would love her for who she was, even a dragon.... and she was wrong. It's a very tragic story, very Shakespearean, and the English major in me truly appreciates that.


Here's my head-canon: Jon becomes the new "King Beyond the Wall", marries a wilding girl, has little wildling/Targaryan babies so the line can continue. Drogon is also free to continue the line of dragons, since George RR Martin has made it pretty clear that mixed sexes aren't necessarily needed for dragons to procreate. And perhaps, someday, Targaryans and dragons meet again, only with less crazy as they now have "the north" in their bloodlines as well. Perhaps they'll need to return to release the world from the tyranny of the Three-eyed ravens lol

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I've watched it a couple times now - had to let everything sink in.

I, too, enjoyed the ending. I think the writers were more about big production than story, and they left a lot to the imagination of the audience, but still, it was a nice ending.

Here are my thoughts: Bran. Holy cow. If you really think about Bran, he truly played THE BEST game of thrones. Once he became the three-eyed raven, he was able to manipulate the pieces as he saw fit. He orchestrated the outcome of the Battle of Winterfell by giving Arya the dagger, he had the power to warn everyone about Dany but didn't, thus setting up the situation in which all of his enemies and rival to the throne would be removed and/or killed INCLUDING Jon. It is also hinted at that he now can possibly have the power of a dragon as if he finds Drogon, he may be able to warg into him and control him. The Stark family is completely set up after this, and I believe he orchestrated ALL of it in true GoT style. He left me with a very unsettled feeling too because a.) who's to say how long a three-eyed raven will live and b.) even though the council agreed to vote on new kings going forward, who's to say that Bran won't continually manipulate the outcome of said councils, and when he passes on the powers of the three-eyed raven, his successors don't continue to do the same?

As for Dany - ugh, I still love her. I can't help it. Tyrion was so right when he said that she believed in her destiny. She saw some horrible, horrible things, and experienced some horrible, horrible things done to her. She was bought and sold and tortured and all these other things, and she truly thought what she was doing was right in the end. She also thought that she still had Jon, that she still had ONE person in the whole world who would love her for who she was, even a dragon.... and she was wrong. It's a very tragic story, very Shakespearean, and the English major in me truly appreciates that.


Here's my head-canon: Jon becomes the new "King Beyond the Wall", marries a wilding girl, has little wildling/Targaryan babies so the line can continue. Drogon is also free to continue the line of dragons, since George RR Martin has made it pretty clear that mixed sexes aren't necessarily needed for dragons to procreate. And perhaps, someday, Targaryans and dragons meet again, only with less crazy as they now have "the north" in their bloodlines as well. Perhaps they'll need to return to release the world from the tyranny of the Three-eyed ravens lol

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WOW! Well said. You got me thinking hard lol

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I've watched it a couple times now - had to let everything sink in.

I, too, enjoyed the ending. I think the writers were more about big production than story, and they left a lot to the imagination of the audience, but still, it was a nice ending.

Here are my thoughts: Bran. Holy cow. If you really think about Bran, he truly played THE BEST game of thrones. Once he became the three-eyed raven, he was able to manipulate the pieces as he saw fit. He orchestrated the outcome of the Battle of Winterfell by giving Arya the dagger, he had the power to warn everyone about Dany but didn't, thus setting up the situation in which all of his enemies and rival to the throne would be removed and/or killed INCLUDING Jon. It is also hinted at that he now can possibly have the power of a dragon as if he finds Drogon, he may be able to warg into him and control him. The Stark family is completely set up after this, and I believe he orchestrated ALL of it in true GoT style. He left me with a very unsettled feeling too because a.) who's to say how long a three-eyed raven will live and b.) even though the council agreed to vote on new kings going forward, who's to say that Bran won't continually manipulate the outcome of said councils, and when he passes on the powers of the three-eyed raven, his successors don't continue to do the same?

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Excellent analysis.

The story was solid all the way through, and the ending was really appropriate. It was just the presentation that failed in the last few seasons. And it's a shame. They really should have just taken their time and done the story justice.

As it is, GoT is one of the greatest fantasy epics ever filmed, but imagine if they could have maintained the quality of the first five season though to the end.

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Yeah, I'm making two predictions:

1. Arya Kills Daenerys; and
2. Jamie isn't dead, yet.

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Seems I completely blew it on my predictions!

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I'm predicting:

1. Jon kills Grey Worm and Dany
2. Arya kills Drogon with Bran's aide (the dragons are the nukes of Westeros and need to come to an end)
3. The Iron Throne is dissolved and each kingdom is self-ruling but Tyrion will govern the South from a rebuilt King's Landing, Sansa will rule the North, etc.
4. Jon goes north, beyond the wall, to live with Ghost in peace (much like a wounded Frodo goes to the Undying Lands in The Lords of the Rings)

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I got some kind of right, but blew it for the most part. :P

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I got some kind of right, but blew it for the most part. :P

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Honestly, you really didn't do bad at all! Pretty impressive

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Seems I completely blew it on my predictions!

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Me too, but it's all part of being a fan and having fun.

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Me too, but it's all part of being a fan and having fun.

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I did the math and with those 4 predictions you came up 56.25% accurate. That's far higher than pretty much anyone else

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I did the math and with those 4 predictions you came up 56.25% accurate. That's far higher than pretty much anyone else

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Thanks. :aww:

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Here's my head-canon: Jon becomes the new "King Beyond the Wall", marries a wilding girl, has little wildling/Targaryan babies so the line can continue. Drogon is also free to continue the line of dragons, since George RR Martin has made it pretty clear that mixed sexes aren't necessarily needed for dragons to procreate. And perhaps, someday, Targaryans and dragons meet again, only with less crazy as they now have "the north" in their bloodlines as well. Perhaps they'll need to return to release the world from the tyranny of the Three-eyed ravens lol

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Excellent analysis.

The story was solid all the way through, and the ending was really appropriate. It was just the presentation that failed in the last few seasons. And it's a shame. They really should have just taken their time and done the story justice.

As it is, GoT is one of the greatest fantasy epics ever filmed, but imagine if they could have maintained the quality of the first five season though to the end.

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isn't there a prequel in the works? there's more story to tell and maybe they will turn it into a franchise like Star Wars. i for one am ready for the Arya spinoff of her adventures in West of Westeros.

Yeah, the prequel is going to be set hundreds (maybe thousands?) of years before the GoT series during the Age of Heroes supposedly. This is when the first Long Night happened, and I believe pre-Doom of Valeria too. From the articles I've read, there does seem to be some hints that the Valerians/dragons will be included - I think during this timeframe they were still conquering in Essos? I don't know, I haven't read the wikis in awhile lol. I do know this is when Bran the Builder put up the Wall.

I really liked the ending... Even though I've been rooting for Dany from the beginning it was hard and frustrating to see her go all Mad Queen on the city. I knew it was over then :tears:. I agree that i wish her descent into madness was more thought out.. Wish we could've seen more of the aftermath after Missandei died rather than just Varys saying she hasn't left the room in days.

Read a theory last night that may be a reach but I didn't mind it. That Drogon, being the biggest and most ruthless dragon is actually Khal Drogo reincarnated. They said he flew to the East towards the dothraki, in which he has done multiple times before, and it seems like he knew about the iron throne which is why he destroyed it?

Like I said, it's a reach but a theory I don't mind entertaining.