Super Cinnamon project advice needed
I have a project that I want to do that requires a super cinnamon. I know there are potential issues with them so my queation is...should I get two high quality cinnamon's and try for my own super or buy a high quality super from a reputable breeder?
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I suppose it depends on your buget and how long you want to wait...and the effort you want to put in. What's your thoughts on that?
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My main concern is having healthy defect free snakes to continue the next phase of the project. Meaning no kinks or duckbill.
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I don't know if there is a 100% fail safe way to breed them without having defects, some people suggest lower incubation for longer time helps. It doesn't seem like theres a hard and fast proven way yet.
So with that said, i would just buy a super cinny from someone reputable. That way you can inspect the animal and be sure, and then if something is wrong, the breeder would make it right.
Having the super will shorten your wait time and ultimately be cheaper too considering the cost of feeding and housing 2 snakes for 2-3 years before the female can reproduce. Unless you have other plans that a cinny would be useful for.. plus theres the satisfaction of producing your own. But if you have defects theres the sad thing of culling if needed. Really comes down to preference.
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Kalikat
My main concern is having healthy defect free snakes to continue the next phase of the project. Meaning no kinks or duckbill.
If you buy two snakes to produce a super - you may end up with Duckbilling and/or Kinking in the Super.
If you buy a Super with no issues for a breeding project: you may end up with Duckbilling and/or Kinking genes back in the Super offspring when you outcross and then back/inter-cross.
I would still recommend starting with a Super Cinnamon in good shape because you decrease odds of a genetic pre-condition to those issues.
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Thanks so much for the advice! Now for the even harder task of finding a breeder who works with them. Might end up having to breed my own after all. If anyone knows someone please pm me. :)
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Well I'm curious, what is the project, why do you need to start with a super cinnamon?
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My guess was grey matters, super cinnamon champagne
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Choose another morph project.
You ALREADY know the dangers so why even go there. If you put the welfare of the snakes 1st you won't do it. People such as yourself keep wanting to breed certain morphs that shouldn't be bred anymore and I don't care who gets mad that's the way I feel the animals welfare comes first not your profit at their expense!
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Mr.Spence
Well I'm curious, what is the project, why do you need to start with a super cinnamon?
I'm curious, too. If a super cinnamon is bred to a non-cinnamon, all the babies would be cinnamons. If a cinnamon is bred to a non-cinnamon, I'd expect half the babies would be cinnamons. IMO the difference in the number of cinnamon babies isn't worth the trouble and expense of starting with a super cinnamon. The object of the project might convince me differently though.
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If the object is a super cinnamon champagne, then start with a cinnamon and a champagne. Expect 1/4 of the babies to be cinnamon champagne. Mate cinnamon champagne to cinnamon. Expect 1/8 of the babies to be super cinnamon champagne.
If the first generation was super cinnamon x champagne, then half of their babies would be expected to be cinnamon champagne. Second generation would still be cinnamon champagne x cinnamon.
Good luck with the project, whatever it is.
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i also have Cinny/Super Cinny and Black Pastel/SBP projects. i researched and read everything, discussed it and accepted the risks, heatbreak and responsibilities. i think my Super Cinny clutch was great! and thankfully my my hatchies are thriving. maybe i got lucky and wish u luck as well in your endeavors.
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Yes there are risks. Thats why I'm researching the possibilities. Profit has absolutely nothing to do with why I'm considering the project. It's the chance to create something truely unique and beautiful, a blue ball python. I could go into the ethics but I'm not here to debate with anyone. Here is my end goal. Found this online. Hope the link works.
Could I achieve this with another set of genes or the same genes but in a diffrent order? I don't know. Could I maybe mix a cinnamon with a black pastel to get the super and then mix in the rest...again no idea. Will never know unless
We try.
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...allery/vy9IEbN
that's awsome! i've seen only one of those; actually it was a SBP Ghost/Hypo and love it's blue glow. i agree w/ the others that buying a Super Cinny so u can pick one out deformity free is the best route. however, u have to keep in and that some point u have to add in Ghost/Hypo, so either way u will be working w/ het Ghost/Hypo offsprings and recrossing them to make your end goal. so the risks i still there but like me, be ready to do what's responsible and prepare for heartbreak on your journey there. good luck and please share your progress.
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Ooh a blue snake, i see! I dunno. It might be easier to find 2 hypo cinnamon snakes to breed rather than start with a super and breed to a hypo then breed the offspring for your final goal. Unless the super cinny is het for hypo... then that makes it pretty straight forward.
I wish you luck as well, and would love updates on the project.
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