My Collection is Complete: I am done acquiring reptiles

I never thought I'd reach this point, but my collection is complete. I will not being acquiring any new reptiles for a long time, if ever, unless someone passes, or we move to a house with more room for reptiles AND I have more time and energy than I do now.

I know many people will doubt me here, but I wanted to share what got me to this point. I feel it's both cathartic for me as well as could be helpful to others.

Why do I feel my reptile collection is complete (in no particular order)?

1. I have a diverse collection with some amazing species and some amazing individual animals as well.

-13 reptiles and 13 tanks. 7 Lizards and 6 snakes.

0.3 Leopard Geckos (different morphs): Cleo, Carra, and Kayla
0.0.1 Northern Blue Tongue Skink: Frank
1.0 Rhacodactylus Mniarogekko Chahoua (Chewie) from Pine Island: Ferry
0.1. Rhacodactylus Leachianus (Leachie), Bayonnaise: Ezzy
0.0.1 Freckled Tree Monitor (Varanus Tristis Orientalis): Toref


0.1 Albino Spider Ball Python: Shayna
1.1 Corn snakes. Male Hypo-Lavender: Figment. Female Scaleless Sunglow Motley Red-Factor: Solana
1.0 Albino Carpet Python (50% Darwin and 50% Irian Jaya): Yafe
0.1 Ghost BCI: Behira
1.0 Venezuelan Dwarf BCC/True Red Tail Boa: Feliz

2. I am devoting as much time as I want to my reptiles.

-Any more and it would feel like a chore or a job and it would take away from my enjoyment of them.
-I want them all to get the proper care they deserve. Any more and I feel like I would risk neglecting someone from time to time. I do not think that's acceptable.
-I want to spend time with each and every animal. It's important to me to have docile/used to handling reptiles. It's also important for the bigger reptiles to be handled to keep them calm, used to people and handling, and to keep them, me, and other people who interact with them (guests), safe. I also believe that on some level, as limited as it may be, I have a connection with all of them. I like to keep that bond.

3. I want to focus on other things as well.

-Katie and I are getting married soon and have a life to spend together.
-WORK
-Other pets (5 dogs)
-Other hobbies


4. Health issues.

-As many of you know, I am a kidney transplant recipient. I have limited energy to spend and cannot rely on my body day to day to be there and ready to go. This means that some days I need to do the bare minimum for the reptiles. In general, this is not an issue and I usually recover quickly and can spend extra time the next day with anyone/anything I missed.

-The reptiles bring me joy, but I also have to balance that with my ability to properly care for each and every one reliably.

-My life expectancy is not great. Yes, it's expectancy, and who knows, but I've been told not to expect to live past 65 years old or so, assuming I am able to procure a kidney for my next transplant. I am 39 this year. Many of my animals are young and will live another 20+ years. At 60 years old or so, I do not think I will be able to have a collection like I have today, if one at all.


Honestly, I couldn't be happier. I have pretty much every animal/species I've ever wanted to have and species that I've enjoyed keeping for many years and still enjoy (BP and corn snakes mainly). I feel challenged, but not overwhelmed or overworked. I am surrounded by beautiful creatures every where I look and am able to give them all what they need to stay happy and healthy.

Who could ask for more?



​Below are links to the progression threads for all 13 reptiles and the reptile area!

Leopard Geckos

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?253841-Finally-5-years-late-An-introduction-to-Cleo-Carra-and-Kayla

Frank

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?250951-Frank-The-Blue-Tongue-Skink

Ferry

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ahoua-(Chewie)

Ezzy

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...33#post2675033

Toref

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...36#post2675036




Shayna

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...no-Spider-Ball

Figment

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...nder-Corn-Baby

Solana

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ow-Motley-Corn

Yafe

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ression-Thread

Behira

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...host-First-BCI

Feliz

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...Dwarf-quot-BCC


The Reptile Area

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ea-is-Complete

Congratulations to you dakski!
Good for you for putting the animals first by knowing your limitations with your time and energy. Any responsible keeper would greatly respect that.

And good luck with your upcoming wedding, and much prayers for your health.

Very cool dak. I didn't know you got a Varanus! I just saw the other thread. It's cool to be happy with what you have. lol

Wow, wow, wow. I’m so sorry to hear about your health, but really love your attitude. I myself am very sick (severe injuries resulting in nerve disease and a stomach cancer survivor). I’m also terminal, but to stupid to give up. We should talk more, I relate so much to some if not all you are dealing with and going through. It’s late, I’m tired (watched the royal rumble). Or I would go on, never caught you were sick. We have a lot in common being “ill”. So sorry in your in my prayers.

Very cool, Dave. I was one of the doubters in the past, this time I believe you, hahaha. :rofl:

You've got a super cool reptilian family and there's not a doubt in my mind that each and every one of your animals (dogs included) get the best care humanly possible.

Great thread, great info. This could be a great learning tool for others who are not quite sure when they've reached their "limits" without sacrificing any care for the animals.

I've said it before, I'm sure I'll say it again after today: you're an asset to the forum and hobby as a whole. I'm fortunate to have met you both on here and in the real world. Keep up the great work as an ambassador for these amazing animals.

...and as always, regarding your health: all my best wishes sent your way.

Thanks, Dave!!! :gj::gj:

Very sweet !!
I only have 1 BP. Only want maybe 1 more....a leucistic.
Being that they live so long....I dont want too many when I'm 80. LOL



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Reptile keeping is a slippery slope kind of hobby. Meaning it's addictive and starts out low responsibility. One or two are simple to keep. But when you inevitably add more, the responsibility starts to mount, especially when you have a situation as in Yafe's case.

It looks like you have an admirable array of animals that will provide years of enrichment for all involved. Personally, ten sounds like a great number to me. Enough to be diverse and interesting, but not so many as to become a crushing responsibility.

Congratulations on that, and best of luck with your health.

I think you have indeed found that perfect balance! Congrats! It sounds like they are all loved and give you joy. What more could you ask? And what more could they ask?

When I had parrots (which I successfully rehomed when going through a nasty divorce) I wrote them into my will, to be given to a specific parrot sanctuary along with donations to the sanctuary. I knew they would outlive me even under the best of circumstances.

I'm a nurse, and I'm also the daughter of a man who donated his kidneys and liver upon his death, *and* the partner of a man who was on the liver transplant list for awhile. I have done a lot of research and seen a lot of amazing things. What you were told when you got your kidney-- things have changed and improved since then, and will change even more before you reach age 65. ALL of us should count each day as the blessing it is, but also be hopeful that your original prognosis may not be correct, either.

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I think you have indeed found that perfect balance! Congrats! It sounds like they are all loved and give you joy. What more could you ask? And what more could they ask?

When I had parrots (which I successfully rehomed when going through a nasty divorce) I wrote them into my will, to be given to a specific parrot sanctuary along with donations to the sanctuary. I knew they would outlive me even under the best of circumstances.

I'm a nurse, and I'm also the daughter of a man who donated his kidneys and liver upon his death, *and* the partner of a man who was on the liver transplant list for awhile. I have done a lot of research and seen a lot of amazing things. What you were told when you got your kidney-- things have changed and improved since then, and will change even more before you reach age 65. ALL of us should count each day as the blessing it is, but also be hopeful that your original prognosis may not be correct, either.

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Thank you. I really believe I have found that "balance."

I really appreciate your kind words and information regarding the kidney transplant.

I know it's just a number/expectation, etc. that statistics say. However, I am realistic. I take a ton of immune suppressants, including a lot of prednisone (long story) daily. That's not good and I am struggling with weight and pre-diabetes now. My father dropped dead at 58 of a heart attack, etc. I am doing everything I can to be here for a long time for my family, especially Katie, but it's a tough battle.

I too, as did Katie, go through a ridiculously bad divorce. Feel free to PM anytime if you want to vent, or even just talk reptiles, etc.

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Originally Posted by JRLongton

Reptile keeping is a slippery slope kind of hobby. Meaning it's addictive and starts out low responsibility. One or two are simple to keep. But when you inevitably add more, the responsibility starts to mount, especially when you have a situation as in Yafe's case.

It looks like you have an admirable array of animals that will provide years of enrichment for all involved. Personally, ten sounds like a great number to me. Enough to be diverse and interesting, but not so many as to become a crushing responsibility.

Congratulations on that, and best of luck with your health.

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Thanks JR. I think the number depends on type of animal, your time availability, desire/passion for the animals (and knowing how long they live), etc. I've been keeping reptiles for the better part of my 38 years. I am devoted. This is the most I've ever had, but it feels right; it feels complete and perfect. It's an individual thing, but for me, I am there.

It's also very important that I have flexibility in my life and not be completely tied to the reptiles. I have other responsibilities and want to be available and a great husband for Katie. She is, and always will be, the priority. I probably should have put it in the original post, but I think she needs me to stop looking at the "next" reptile and doesn't want me to get overwhelmed either. She wants me happy and fulfilled, but also wants me to be there for her and spend time with her. I think that is fair. I feel I was getting to a point where the reptiles would take up more time than I would be able to spend with Katie, at least if I kept going. She has been incredibly supportive of the reptiles. I need to show her that I support her 100% as well.

She had never held a snake before she met me and was ambivalent about me moving in because of them. I've acquired 7 animals since I've moved in. It's a lot for her.

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Originally Posted by Jellybeans

Very sweet !!
I only have 1 BP. Only want maybe 1 more....a leucistic.
Being that they live so long....I dont want too many when I'm 80. LOL



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Careful, they are addicting. Remember, I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13! 13! LOL.

Mazel Tov on 80. I wish you Cent'anni, as they say in Italian.

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

Very cool, Dave. I was one of the doubters in the past, this time I believe you, hahaha. :rofl:

You've got a super cool reptilian family and there's not a doubt in my mind that each and every one of your animals (dogs included) get the best care humanly possible.

Great thread, great info. This could be a great learning tool for others who are not quite sure when they've reached their "limits" without sacrificing any care for the animals.

I've said it before, I'm sure I'll say it again after today: you're an asset to the forum and hobby as a whole. I'm fortunate to have met you both on here and in the real world. Keep up the great work as an ambassador for these amazing animals.

...and as always, regarding your health: all my best wishes sent your way.

Thanks, Dave!!! :gj::gj:

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Craig,

Thank you. I really appreciate the kind words and the recognition of how hard I work to keep my animals happy and healthy. It means a lot coming from someone I respect greatly as a hobbyist and forum contributor.

Don't worry, I am still learning and plan on sharing on the forum. My collection is diverse enough that I can help others' with a variety of different species. The forum is one of the things that keeps me passionate. I love sharing and helping.

Thank you again brother.

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Originally Posted by Sonny1318

Wow, wow, wow. I’m so sorry to hear about your health, but really love your attitude. I myself am very sick (severe injuries resulting in nerve disease and a stomach cancer survivor). I’m also terminal, but to stupid to give up. We should talk more, I relate so much to some if not all you are dealing with and going through. It’s late, I’m tired (watched the royal rumble). Or I would go on, never caught you were sick. We have a lot in common being “ill”. So sorry in your in my prayers.

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Sonny,

Very sorry to hear about what you are dealing with as well. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

Thank you on the attitude comment. I wouldn't have that attitude, at least to the level I do, if not for the adversity I've faced in my life, largely health wise.

Every day is a blessing and I cherish everyone and everything I have in my life. I am blessed to have the reptiles, the dogs, and most of all, Katie, as well as many other good people in my life. I know this. I do not take it for granted. Whenever my time on Earth is up, I will die without regrets. I will be able to say I lived every day to the fullest and I treated people with love and respect. What else can you ask?

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Originally Posted by cletus

Very cool dak. I didn't know you got a Varanus! I just saw the other thread. It's cool to be happy with what you have. lol

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Yeah, Toref rocks! He's too smart for his own good. He's being picky about food already. He likes giving me a hard time, but I can see, I am already starting to earn his trust and he's getting more curious about me than scared.

He will probably be one of my most challenging reptiles. He's an awesome animal to end the collection with. Rare, beautiful, a challenge, etc.

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Originally Posted by Treeman

Congratulations to you dakski!
Good for you for putting the animals first by knowing your limitations with your time and energy. Any responsible keeper would greatly respect that.

And good luck with your upcoming wedding, and much prayers for your health.

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Thank you!

I have struggled with balance and knowing my limitations in the past. I am glad I figured it out with the reptiles before it was too late!

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Originally Posted by dakski

Every day is a blessing and I cherish everyone and everything I have in my life. I am blessed to have the reptiles, the dogs, and most of all, Katie, as well as many other good people in my life. I know this. I do not take it for granted. Whenever my time on Earth is up, I will die without regrets. I will be able to say I lived every day to the fullest and I treated people with love and respect. What else can you ask?

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YES! This! I think a lot of us who have gone through very difficult times have this blessed perspective. It's an absolutely wonderful place to be! I tell people that my goal is to live life without regrets, to be able to go to sleep at night knowing I tried my best to do the right thing, and to find the joy in each day, even if it's a simple joy like a good cup of coffee. I am a hospice nurse, and I see every day people of all ages who come to my care-- some live a shorter but joyful life, and some live to be over 100 but are very miserable or bitter or angry. It's not about quantity, it's about quality of life.

When I met my boyfriend he was an unemployed, newly recovering alcoholic, and nearly died in front of me just two months in from severe liver damage. Looks very bad on paper, but it just felt *right* to be with him. At that time I was not sure how much time we had, but I wanted to have us be together. I had come off a bad marriage and I could appreciate what a good man he was, and how strong our connection was, and that's all that mattered.

Well we've been together for 2.5 years now, he moved in 10 months ago, he has a good job again, never slipped up with his alcohol, and has recently been taken off the liver transplant list (for now), the kids love him, and we are going to get married sometime in the next year. And, at the age of 44, will be trying IVF (he has no kids of his own) and whether or not that works out, at least we won't regret not trying.

It's really nice to hear in your "voice" the love and respect you have for Katie. It sounds like you and she have found in each other a wonderful love and partnership. I wish you many, many happy moments together! Please post wedding pics!

Good for you Dak! Hope you and your brood live a long and healthy life!

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Originally Posted by FollowTheSun

YES! This! I think a lot of us who have gone through very difficult times have this blessed perspective. It's an absolutely wonderful place to be! I tell people that my goal is to live life without regrets, to be able to go to sleep at night knowing I tried my best to do the right thing, and to find the joy in each day, even if it's a simple joy like a good cup of coffee. I am a hospice nurse, and I see every day people of all ages who come to my care-- some live a shorter but joyful life, and some live to be over 100 but are very miserable or bitter or angry. It's not about quantity, it's about quality of life.

When I met my boyfriend he was an unemployed, newly recovering alcoholic, and nearly died in front of me just two months in from severe liver damage. Looks very bad on paper, but it just felt *right* to be with him. At that time I was not sure how much time we had, but I wanted to have us be together. I had come off a bad marriage and I could appreciate what a good man he was, and how strong our connection was, and that's all that mattered.

Well we've been together for 2.5 years now, he moved in 10 months ago, he has a good job again, never slipped up with his alcohol, and has recently been taken off the liver transplant list (for now), the kids love him, and we are going to get married sometime in the next year. And, at the age of 44, will be trying IVF (he has no kids of his own) and whether or not that works out, at least we won't regret not trying.

It's really nice to hear in your "voice" the love and respect you have for Katie. It sounds like you and she have found in each other a wonderful love and partnership. I wish you many, many happy moments together! Please post wedding pics!

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Wow, FollowTheSun, that's a beautiful story.

Mazel Tov and I wish you both many years of happiness and health! However, I totally agree with quality over quantity.

I truly do love Katie. It's wonderful to have her in my life and we appreciate each other. She is a kind soul and we laugh together and do fun things, etc. We were meant to be. I believe that. It's karma as both of us made the wrong choice in our first marriage partners.

I believe in being loving and kind to everyone, but especially those closest to you. I am not perfect, and slip up sometimes, but I really try. Without going into detail, I grew up in an abusive home and vowed never to treat the people I love like that.

I have 5 rules. They don't make me perfect, they don't make a great fit for anyone or everyone, but I won't do these things and Katie appreciates that immensely.

I won't:

1. Lie
2. Cheat
3. Hit, kick, physically abuse, etc.
4. Call names
5. Put down

It goes both ways though. Not only does Katie treat me with the same love and respect, but she appreciates the way I treat her. That's a new one to me. I am used to people taking advantage of my love and kindness. I really adore Katie and am blessed to have her, but also that she appreciates me and thinks I am special.

Good luck on your journey!

As soon as I read that you have 5 dogs in your household, I'm like dang. That is a lot of work. I have 2 big dogs (about 77 lbs and 60 lbs) but even if they were small, it is still a lot of work.

I currently have 13 pets plus a foster kitten including the dogs in total, mostly reptiles. The dogs still take up most of my time than the rest of them (though the cats are the most expensive to feed - primarily canned). Hopefully you have a stronger will than me... All it takes is a little browsing.. Window shopping.. Then visiting expos... Oh, how did I end up with a new boa? :p

Good luck with whatever that you do.

I have four dogs and one snake
The oldest dog's about 6 in the youngest just turned 2. Snake isn't even a year old yet. So with all that said I still have many years with all of them and especially MANY years with the snake. Years ago I had many reptiles at one time and I know how much work it is so I know not to do that at this point in my life. I just turned 58 sometimes I'm a very young 58 but sometimes I feel like I'm 88.
Lord Jesus bless me to have a good attitude as some of these posts that I've read and to live a long healthy life

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i dunno Dak. 13 is a real bad number. ;) maybe u should get one more to make it an even 14. that sounds like a more lucky number to stop. :)

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Originally Posted by Ax01

i dunno Dak. 13 is a real bad number. ;) maybe u should get one more to make it an even 14. that sounds like a more lucky number to stop. :)

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Oh stop! :rofl: You're SO bad! (then again, I "like" the number 15 much better than 14...just saying-)

Besides, I've never once had a bad Friday the 13th. Just a silly superstition...& when we take things out of context, we can find all sorts of silly excuses, instead of realizing all the other times that a particular number was just great.

dakski: it would be so much better for pets of all kinds if everyone did the sort of soul-searching that you've done to reach a harmonious number that you can
enjoy & handle without feeling burdened. :colbert2: :gj:

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Originally Posted by Bogertophis

Oh stop! :rofl: You're SO bad! (then again, I "like" the number 15 much better than 14...just saying-)

Besides, I've never once had a bad Friday the 13th. Just a silly superstition...& when we take things out of context, we can find all sorts of silly excuses, instead of realizing all the other times that a particular number was just great.

dakski: it would be so much better for pets of all kinds if everyone did the sort of soul-searching that you've done to reach a harmonious number that you can
enjoy & handle without feeling burdened. :colbert2: :gj:

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Thank you Bogertophis. I agree, but it's not for me to say when others' have reached their limits. It's individual thing. I just know I am there.

Health issues and other life issues have taught me to always reflect and evaluate. I think it's healthy and knowledge is power. A lot of people do not want to seek answers because they may not like what they find. To me, I'd rather know where I stand.

Would it be cool to have another Boa, or a dwarf burmese, etc.? Sure. However, I know that now, that would be at someone else's expense. I am not willing to do that. When I take an animal on, I plan to keep them for their life. I plan to care for them appropriately and to the best of my ability. Have I been impulsive in the past about getting an animal? Absolutely. However, I had no doubt I could care for that animal.

It's hard being a "collector," especially of living things. I collect inanimate things too, like whiskey and cigars. I always want something great on hand and want to try the latest and greatest. The only thing I hurt here, by getting another bottle of whiskey, for example, is space in my liquor closet, and my wallet. No risk of hurting the whiskey.

However, with animals, although most keepers' love them and enjoy them, I feel, with reptiles, even people who love their pets and want to do the best for them, often get carried away. We always seem to want the next morph, or next species, etc. The reality is, it will never stop unless you stop it. You will suffer in the end, potentially lose your passion for the hobby and reptiles, and the animals will ultimately suffer.

It was tough, but I will not let the animals I have and I have committed to suffer in any way. Take Cleo, Carra, and Kayla, my leopard geckos. The used to all live together in a 4X2' enclosure and everything was pretty good. About a year ago, Cleo got aggressive and had to be separated and got her own tank. Then I did more and more research. Leopard geckos tend to thrive on their own better than in groups. I didn't want to hear that, because that meant another tank to buy, which meant one less spot for another species, etc. It would have been much easier if they all got along and lived together, of course. However, that wasn't in the cards. Since I've separated them, they are all thriving. Carra is having great sheds for the first time, Kayla isn't being picky with food anymore, and Cleo is being more social with me.

Not ideal using 3 3X2' tanks, or 18 SQ/FT of space for 3 leopard geckos. Would have been easy to say, this is not what I was told/expected, and re-homed at least one or two.

However, I made a commitment to the three of them. I know that few people would care for them the way I do. I also love them all and am attached to them.

So, three 3X2' tanks for 3 leopard geckos in this house. Insane? A little, but they are happy and I am happy to keep them, enjoy them, and live up to my commitment.

I think it's important for everyone who buys/acquires a reptile, or any animal, to understand what is involved (cost and space wise especially), for how long, how to properly care for that animal, etc. They are living creatures. Plus, in general, I believe people get off the hook too easy in our society. "What's next?" "Where's my paper plate? I don't want to do dishes." "I changed my mind." Commitments do not seem to matter much anymore. It saddens me, especially when living creatures, and other people are hurt by it.

Growing up I saw the damage of people not taking commitments seriously, and I see it to this day. Parents, grandparent, friends, people I meet, etc. It's all about doing what they want when they want.

I was unfortunate to have family who didn't honor their commitments to each other or to their children (who they chose to have).

I won't make the same mistakes. It's just me. Am I better or worse than anyone else? I don't know. It's certainly not for me to judge, or anyone else for that matter, here on Earth.

I do know that my friends, family, and Katie specifically, appreciate how I honor them and my commitments.

All that matters more to me than having another reptile.

Sorry to go a long way here and on a little bit of a diatribe. However, part of the purpose here is to give people food for thought regarding reptile keeping, and I guess, life.

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Wow, wow, wow. I’m so sorry to hear about your health, but really love your attitude. I myself am very sick (severe injuries resulting in nerve disease and a stomach cancer survivor). I’m also terminal, but to stupid to give up....

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I'm very sorry to hear about your health issues too...I enjoy your input around here & I hope you have MANY more years than you (or your doctors) think you have.
Keep in mind they don't "know everything" & often get it wrong. I think our own attitude has a lot to do with it...as long as you are enjoying life, "giving up" would
be the only "stupid" option.

As we get older, it's easy to compare our current condition to the way we were when younger, and that feels like a loss. Then throw in some medical issues that
complicate our health with dire warnings...but you should also remember that everyone's life is "terminal" & that in the meantime, you'll probably outlive many
others who had no idea that their number was coming up, even many with far fewer years.

So enjoy every day as best you can...(hugs!) That goes for everyone...

True true

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Originally Posted by Bogertophis

I'm very sorry to hear about your health issues too...I enjoy your input around here & I hope you have MANY more years than you (or your doctors) think you have.
Keep in mind they don't "know everything" & often get it wrong. I think our own attitude has a lot to do with it...as long as you are enjoying life, "giving up" would
be the only "stupid" option.

As we get older, it's easy to compare our current condition to the way we were when younger, and that feels like a loss. Then throw in some medical issues that
complicate our health with dire warnings...but you should also remember that everyone's life is "terminal" & that in the meantime, you'll probably outlive many
others who had no idea that their number was coming up, even many with far fewer years.

So enjoy every day as best you can...(hugs!) That goes for everyone...

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I think you’ve brought up some excellent points, and something all of us as keepers need to consider. There needs to be balance between what we want, what we can responsibly care for, and the other commitments in our lives...present and future. These beautiful animals are completely dependent on us for their quality...and quantity...of life. Below is some of my soul searching as I decide just what I want to commit to and can comfortably handle.

Prior to April 2018, I had the love of my life. The 9 animals I had for the last few years was my limit due to work hours and wanting to spend more time with him. And there were times he felt like he was in third place after work and animals when I came home after a 10-11 hour day and spent 2 hours feeding and/or cleaning cages. I wasn’t willing to add anything else, no matter how much I wanted it, because it wasn’t fair to us as a couple or him as my partner to add additional commitments. Losing him last year was the hardest thing I’ve ever endured. I know he’s in a better place, and have no doubt he’ll be waiting at the pearly gates to meet me when my time comes. 💕 Until then, I’m looking to what makes me happy and fulfilled.

In the last year since he’s been gone, I have gone a bit hog wild on new additions, getting some long time wish list animals as well as some newly discovered morphs. Even after losing a couple of the original 9, I currently have 15. Number 16 is waiting for temperatures to get warm enough to ship. Every time I think the weather has improved and I can start looking to ship, we get another cold snap...supposed to be in the teens by the end of the week. :weirdface To say the least, I am tired of winter.

Before adding my banana pied this past weekend, I looked at how I want my reptile room to look and the room available. I can comfortably house 16 without adding another stack of cages, keeping the current footprint the same when I revamp my cages to the Reptile Basics cages. This will reuse existing heat panels and thermostats, only adding a couple of rhp’s and thermostats to account for recent additions. The cage revamp is because it is difficult to clean the back of a 30” deep cage that is only 12” high. The new cages are easier to clean and I can easily reach every part of a 24” deep cage. I want to get set ups now that will still be manageable as I get older. Only Duncan will remain in her current 8’ cage which is tall enough I can easily clean the back by leaning into the cage. I may look to add additional animals as some of my older animals pass, but I’m in no hurry for that to happen.

Congrats Dakski :salute:

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I think you’ve brought up some excellent points, and something all of us as keepers need to consider. There needs to be balance between what we want, what we can responsibly care for, and the other commitments in our lives...present and future. These beautiful animals are completely dependent on us for their quality...and quantity...of life. Below is some of my soul searching as I decide just what I want to commit to and can comfortably handle.

Prior to April 2018, I had the love of my life. The 9 animals I had for the last few years was my limit due to work hours and wanting to spend more time with him. And there were times he felt like he was in third place after work and animals when I came home after a 10-11 hour day and spent 2 hours feeding and/or cleaning cages. I wasn’t willing to add anything else, no matter how much I wanted it, because it wasn’t fair to us as a couple or him as my partner to add additional commitments. Losing him last year was the hardest thing I’ve ever endured. I know he’s in a better place, and have no doubt he’ll be waiting at the pearly gates to meet me when my time comes. 💕 Until then, I’m looking to what makes me happy and fulfilled.

In the last year since he’s been gone, I have gone a bit hog wild on new additions, getting some long time wish list animals as well as some newly discovered morphs. Even after losing a couple of the original 9, I currently have 15. Number 16 is waiting for temperatures to get warm enough to ship. Every time I think the weather has improved and I can start looking to ship, we get another cold snap...supposed to be in the teens by the end of the week. :weirdface To say the least, I am tired of winter.

Before adding my banana pied this past weekend, I looked at how I want my reptile room to look and the room available. I can comfortably house 16 without adding another stack of cages, keeping the current footprint the same when I revamp my cages to the Reptile Basics cages. This will reuse existing heat panels and thermostats, only adding a couple of rhp’s and thermostats to account for recent additions. The cage revamp is because it is difficult to clean the back of a 30” deep cage that is only 12” high. The new cages are easier to clean and I can easily reach every part of a 24” deep cage. I want to get set ups now that will still be manageable as I get older. Only Duncan will remain in her current 8’ cage which is tall enough I can easily clean the back by leaning into the cage. I may look to add additional animals as some of my older animals pass, but I’m in no hurry for that to happen.

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First, Dianne, I am terribly sorry for your loss. That sounds so painful. I know he's waiting too and you will be together again.

Secondly, excellent point I think many people do not get. Reptiles are more like fish than dogs. They rely on us for everything! They cannot adapt or learn to live with our schedules, etc.

Finally, thank you for sharing. I hope it helped you as much as it was meaningful to us.

I am sorry for your loss

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First, Dianne, I am terribly sorry for your loss. That sounds so painful. I know he's waiting too and you will be together again.

Secondly, excellent point I think many people do not get. Reptiles are more like fish than dogs. They rely on us for everything! They cannot adapt or learn to live with our schedules, etc.

Finally, thank you for sharing. I hope it helped you as much as it was meaningful to us.

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Thanks, Dave. :) It hasn’t been easy, and some days are harder than others, but my faith is bigger than my sorrow. I turn to God in both the good times and the hard times.

And I totally failed to mention in my original post that I commend you for all that you do while battling health issues. I only got a small taste of that after a recent surgery...even simple stuff just wiped me out. You truly do set a great example for how to balance life, love, and our pets. I know that I always appreciate your insight, and love when you share updates on all of your crew. I think many people get so caught up with the “next” animal that they get overwhelmed, losing sight of what brought them to the hobby in the first place. Then it just becomes another chore. You sharing updates on each animal shows an appreciation of the individual....plus I just love the eye candy. ;)

So, I haven't felt well this past week and have been busy with work and a few special dates with Katie (we went to a food festival over the weekend - an all day Saturday thing).

I had to do a total clean of all the leopard gecko tanks this today and spent some time with Toref, Yafe, Feliz, Solana, Ferry, and Figment, in addition to all the Leopard Geckos.

It's funny. Today, it actually felt like I have a lot of reptiles and tanks!

I am sure that feeling will pass.....................at least I hope so.

All kidding aside, I am glad to have stopped and be enjoying who I have now. On good days, it's no big deal, but my health is an issue. The past few days, it's felt like a lot. I don't want to overburden myself and end up neglecting my animals. That's not an option.

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So, I haven't felt well this past week and have been busy with work and a few special dates with Katie (we went to a food festival over the weekend - an all day Saturday thing).

I had to do a total clean of all the leopard gecko tanks this today and spent some time with Toref, Yafe, Feliz, Solana, Ferry, and Figment, in addition to all the Leopard Geckos.

It's funny. Today, it actually felt like I have a lot of reptiles and tanks!

I am sure that feeling will pass.....................at least I hope so.

All kidding aside, I am glad to have stopped and be enjoying who I have now. On good days, it's no big deal, but my health is an issue. The past few days, it's felt like a lot. I don't want to overburden myself and end up neglecting my animals. That's not an option.

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I am sorry you were not feeling well. How often do you have to do total cage clean-outs? I had an idea . . . as the mom of a 15 year old who is studying animal science ... I'm sure your local high school has an FFA club. Those kids get credit for working on projects involving animals, habitats, etc. Maybe you can invite some FFA kids to come out every so often to learn about critter care, and in exchange they help you clean the habitats, or be able to watch the snake eat or something?

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I am sorry you were not feeling well. How often do you have to do total cage clean-outs? I had an idea . . . as the mom of a 15 year old who is studying animal science ... I'm sure your local high school has an FFA club. Those kids get credit for working on projects involving animals, habitats, etc. Maybe you can invite some FFA kids to come out every so often to learn about critter care, and in exchange they help you clean the habitats, or be able to watch the snake eat or something?

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That's not a bad idea at all FollowTheSun.

I do full F-10SC cage cleanings taking everything out and cleaning (hides, tank without substrate, bowls, etc.) monthly.

I clean the whole tank when a snake goes and weekly clean Frank's tank (Blue Tongue). I use paper substrate for everyone, so it's pretty easy to clean quickly.

I clean water bowls weekly - fresh water and clean the bowl.

I clean hides if wasted on, or monthly.

However, if I have a bad day, it's not terrible for the reptiles and survive until the next day. Was not the case when I kept and bred big cichlids (fish). You miss a water change and it can be bad news. That's why I grew my reptile collection and dropped the fish.

Thank you again.

Well, I've been sick for a month with a bad head cold and off and on fever, etc. It's finally improving. However, I am worn out. I wasn't able to use my CPAP regularly, so I am exhausted again on a level I can't explain (between not sleeping well and kidney not functioning at a high level, and being sick, etc.).

In times like these, it feels I have a lot of animals and sometimes it feels like a chore. This will pass, and I will be more diligent about maintaining tanks and handling, etc.

To be clear, when I am sick, everything gets done, but not always ASAP, especially with the smaller animals (like the leopard geckos). The Leopard Geckos all go in the same spot and are in huge tanks. I might clean after two small poops instead of 1, etc. I also haven't been handling anyone near as much as I would like. I need to spend more time with Yafe to continue to help him chill, and I miss regular time with everyone else.

Again, this will pass. However, it's times like these that it feels like a lot.

I got the 13 reptile crew, and stopped there, knowing that I will have times like these health wise and it can be tough.

It's hard to function and to get motivated when I feel this badly, but I don't let it get me down. I will feel better soon and be able to get back on track.

I write this post to be open and also so people think about their ability to take care of their animals as life changes and with challenges. I am lucky, I am able to work from home most days, and therefore, have time and energy to take care of the reptiles. If that weren't the case (not likely given my job), it would be a different story.

Sorry to hear you've not been well...& especially for sharing your experience as a "reality check" for those accumulating lots of animals without ever thinking
this can happen to them too. I suspect that most of us older members know this all too well, but you never know when life may 'bite you' -even when you're
young...plenty of things (like accidents) aren't foreseeable. You have my sincere wishes to feel better a.s.a.p. :sunny:

David, I hope you feel better soon.

I understand being ill or just too tired to do cages....as I get ready to clean Duncan’s cage that should have been done yesterday. :rolleyes: Prayers for a speedy recovery from your illness and more good days than bad ones.

It’s a balance that needs to be evaluated from time to time. I know I’ll add more snakes along the way. In fact, I added a pair of unplanned bps yesterday from a local guy downsizing his collection. This will change my final layout, but I have time to figure out exactly how I want to change things as they will be in quarantine tubs for the next 2-3 months. Before I went through with the purchase, I looked at how much time would two extra snakes involve (as I’m still waiting to add one more in the near future that will be shipped). I already know what the price of new setups will be, and food costs. It’s an ongoing evaluation as life changes.

I felt like re-visiting this thread today. For those that don't know, towards the end of 2019 I re-homed Toref (who turned out be a female), the Freckled Tree Monitor who never calmed down for me. I put Shayna in his tank (4X2') and put Jeff, my newest Boa/addition, in Shayna's old 6X2', which he will grow into and Shayna didn't use all of.

Then, this year, we lost Kayla, one of our three Leopard Geckos. That allowed me to put Feliz in a 6X2' from a 4X2', and move Solana from a 3X2' to a 4X2'.

I have not gotten any new animals. I now have 12 and essentially, 12 tanks (one that was split into 2 3x2's is now 1 6X2').

The link below shows the current state of the reptile area.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...Complete/page6

As many of you know, I had a kidney transplant and have a myriad of health issues related to that and having kidney disease since I was 23 (I am now 40). This past week was really tough. I had a few really bad days and ended up getting food poisoning or a stomach bug the past 2 days. That's about 5 days in a row that I couldn't do much for the reptiles. Luckily, everyone seemed fine today when I did all the cage maintenance and changed everyones water (2 days late for fresh water - but no one was out - I did check that two days ago - I change at least weekly).

Weeks like the last one make me reflect on my collection and how much I love them, but my fears about getting sicker and not being able to properly care for them. What does this mean RE the current collection and getting new reptiles down the road? Nothing for the current collection right now, and probably nothing for my plan of not acquiring more, at least while the current collection is intact.

My mother came up to visit today (1 1/2 hour drive for her and my stepdad) and she helped with cage maintenance. Mostly handing me things (cleaner, paper towels, hides, etc.) and holding occupants while I cleaned their tanks. I asked her to make sure I locked everyone's cage and dotted my "I's" and crossed my T's, etc. It was really helpful. Even if I only saved a few minutes of time with her help, the company was great and it seemed less tedious. There were a few times I was very weak and had to hold onto the wall or the tanks for stability, but I got through.

I am obviously a special case/circumstance. However, I wanted to share this for two reasons.

1. I like documenting things and sharing my feelings for my own edification, but also because of the support I get here.

2. I've seen other users here, many new, ramping up their collections and quickly. I just wanted to remind everyone that these animals live a long time, rely on us, and we don't always know what life is going to bring.

I've been sick for a while and because of that I work from home and have time for the reptiles that many other people don't have. If my health continues to deteriorate, especially in a way that impacts my ability to care for the reptiles, I will re-visit things, but for now, I know I am writing following a bad week where I wasn't able to help my reptiles thrive. Yes, everyone is fine, and I assumed they would be, but I want my collection to thrive, not just survive, and when I cannot facilitate that, feel sad and powerless. Perspective is important in life and right now I am in a bad spot and I know that. There are many other days when I feel Eh, but having to feed the dogs and take care of the reptiles, etc. helps get me going and out of bed.

Anyway, I rambled here, but I wanted everyone to see me reflect on my collection, and hopefully encourage others to do the same and take stock.

You're a strong person to share so openly. I'm nowhere near you in CT. I did actually check to see where you listed as home. I'd come do cage maintenance with you. Perspective is almost always good, even when it's not comfortable or convenient.

I guess COVID screws up that thought process.

My point is I'd help a stranger if I could, especially if I found them to be poignant and civil. Being into reptiles is a plus.

As many have said, I hope your good days outnumber your bad ones.

There a song writer I very much like named Ray Wiley Hubbard who wrote (I might not get it exactly correct) "The days my gratitude exceeds my expectations, those are the best days."

My very best to you. Thanks again for this thread.

I hope you're back at full strength soon Brother Dave. It's great that you have help when you need it. I had to depend heavily on my family when I had surgery 2 years ago. It was a humbling and enlightening experience. None of us can do it all by ourselves. I'm glad the critters are all doing well too. That's another benefit of keeping snakes, you can be down or away for a few days and they'll be ok. Get better bro! 🙏🏾❤

I saw no rambling. I did see a thoughtful and well considered post about knowing how to be humble and self aware as a keeper though.

I always appreciate your transparency about the reality of keeping a decent number of animals. What constitutes a lot or too much? That all depends on one’s circumstances. As you said, with your medical history and what level of care you wish to provide to your animals, 12 is your number. And I see plenty of evidence in your posts that supports your awareness and ability to do so.

I personally would love to have a room floor to ceiling with 15-20 snakes but that is just not in the cards. I’m a full time college professor and artist and spend an enormous amount of time on my career and studio practice. I currently have 6 snakes and it’s the most animals that have ever been in my care at once.

There are times like when I decide to deep clean every enclosure in one night that I wonder if it’s too many, but I’m well within my means and know I can spread cleaning out over multiple days. Sometimes I just get in the zone and go for it. But most often checking on everyone, changing water bowls, and spot cleaning takes just a few minutes a day. And that’s what I’m comfortable with providing for while still maintaining free time for myself.

I agree that many keepers would benefit from a quiet bit of time to reflect on what their motivations are for acquiring and keeping a massive number of animals. If you can provide for them well, enjoy doing it, and the animals are thriving, great!

What I’ve never understood though is the whole, “I just learned that there are snakes in all sorts of colors and I’ve never considered keeping reptiles as pets before but I think I’ll get 15 of them.” Get one or two, keep them for some time and get used to it and GROW into keeping rather than just GO into keeping.

Feel better soon, bud!

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The challenge is what it’s all about. Don’t go with the flow. Flow with the go! Just keep going brother. As a medic I’ve seen people live for way longer than these doctors talk about! Besides I need you to stick around for my snakes😉

It's definitely good to be able to determine where your line is and stick to it! And you have a level of self-awareness and care for your animals many can learn from, it has already served as a reminder for me to focus.

I hope you've hit a productive/comfortable spot in your health again, so you can get back to what you enjoy. :) Sounds like the animals are in good hands, even if you can't give them all the attention you'd like every day. Luckily, snakes are pretty flexible on that. I don't have experiences with lizards, but I imagine they're similar, if a little more upkeep.

I don't have the physical limitations you have, but I have had to come to terms with space I currently have to work with, and how to maximize it. Between the rats and the snakes, there definitely has to be a lot of planning and changes at times with how everything is set up. Right now while I'm not working, though, I plan on using this time to strictly get cages set up, space maximized, and establish breeding plans before returning to work - probably a part time job. That way maybe it won't be so bad to keep up with my goals while working - so much of my time was taken up by work and just caring for the animals, I didn't have as much time as I'd like left over for actually setting things up. I've been tempted by quite a few animals that I simply, NEED, for my boa breeding plans, but I still need time to make some changes. A baby is one thing, but the snake I had an eye on was an adult and would require an actual viv and not a growout tub. The cost of the snake wouldn't be an issue with a payment plan, so I really had to focus on the space aspect to keep myself away. lol My snake room has changed in the 3 years I've lived here, and I've nearly got it maximized. I'm trying to do so without giving up the animals I currently have, as I've had most of them for quite some time, and without sacrificing space for the animals as much as possible.

Thank you everyone for the support. I felt better for a bit, but the last week has been once of my worst in years. I was barely able to get out of bed 6 of the last 7 days and the day I did, I was up for 8 hours and it wiped me out.

Good news is the kidney is doing well per recent bloodwork. The bad news is this comes with the territory.

I wanted to add something to this thread about TYPE of reptiles.

I'd be curious to see what others think, but in my mind, some reptiles are easier to keep than others. For example, my BP, my boas, and my CP, are all pretty easy. They don't go to the bathroom daily (not even close), eat every 2 weeks +, need fresh water weekly, and I try to handle them 2X a week, but if I slip on a given week, do not have to worry about them missing it or getting aggressive. Again, not even close.

My corn snakes are second. They are similar to the above mentioned species, but go the bathroom more. Overall, pretty close.

Then comes the BTS. He eats 2X a week and I usually clean his tank 3-4X a week, but if I miss a day, he's okay.

Next is the leachie. She eats 2X a week and needs her tank cleaned weekly, but it's pretty quick.

Finally are the Leopard Geckos and the Chewie. They eat regularly, get cleaned regularly, etc.

Having said all that, I want to be clear that I went with species I know can go a few days without care if necessary. They needed to this past week and no one is worse for the wear.

However, and getting back to my point, if I had a monitor, or a tegu, let's say, that would be different. They would likely suffer from these prolonged absences.

I would say in general, lizards are more work than snakes, and certain lizards are very demanding. I will add tortoises and turtles in here as well. They need daily care (food).

My point is keep these things in mind when adding to your collection. How much work does each animal add? As far as I am concerned, a monitor = 7 snakes in terms of work feeding, cleaning, and keeping them tame, etc. That's why I don't have one.

I am hoping to get back on track here soon, but I wanted to mention a) thanks to everyone who has been supportive here, and b) number of animals is one thing, but type of animal is important as well.

Absolutely. My retic is definitely the hardest snake to own. If my physical health fell even the slightest I wouldn’t be able to keep her. She’s just too big and heavy, and her cage cannot be left alone after a bowel movement. One bowel movement after a meal and she ruins every square inch of bedding. I need to be capable of sitting on the floor and cleaning everything. The rest of the snakes are all quite easy, and that’s what I like about snakes. I’ve never tried to branch out to lizards of any kind because it seems they’d need more upkeep and attention to diet than I’d like. I can go multiple weeks without interacting with the snakes if need be. So long as I make sure to spot clean real quick after meals and change water at least once a week. Most of my snakes are eating on a monthly basis, but the garters. The litters also need daily cage cleanings. And for now it’s work but not impossible to keep up with, and that’s only because of how many I have atm.


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