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  • 01-22-2019, 09:08 AM
    tryme
    My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urgently
    Hi all,

    My partner who's account this is sadly passed away suddenly and unexpectedly 6 months ago. I have been looking after his royal ball python the best i can since then.
    He is 6 years old and I recently 2 weeks ago moved him into a new bigger vivarium (4ft).

    My partner had a heat lamp with guard fitted into the old vivarium but i couldn't transfer it over to the new one so i am having to buy a new one. It was an I internal light fitting (not the big lamps) so that you could screw the bulb in and the gridded guard protected it. I am having to buy a new fitting, bulb and guard now, can someone point me in the right direction with best ones and websites please. I wasn't the keenest on the snake and didn't know all about him so I've been having to teach myself and remember the odd things my partner said.

    I went to the reptile shop this morning to buy a new heat mat as the current one the snake has is 6 years old and wanted to replace it. The lady serving me said it was a fire hazard to have the heat mat sitting on a wooden vivarium and the wood/beech chipping ontop and I am lucky to have gotten away with it. (The heat mat has always been on a thermostat). She recommended an adhesive heat Mat to place on the side of the vivarium to radiate some gentle heat from the side rather than the bottom under the beech chippings. She also said to urgently fit the light fitting and bulb in and to mainly use the light as the source of heat for the snake...is this correct?
    From what I gather my partner didn't leave the light on in the vivarium all day long (deffinatley not at night) so it wasn't on a dimming thermostat just a switch and would only be on for a short while for some basking every now and then.

    She wants me to buy a light dimming thermostat that has a day and night setting too so that the light dims to adjust with the heat and told me at night just turn the temperature down on the thermostat and back up again in the day. Shall i do this or what should I stick to?

    I currently have the thermostat set to 23-25c at night time and a few degrees higher in the day. Is this right or can you recommend night and day temps for the thermostat/heat mat for me please!

    Is it ok to have the heat mat on the same time as the light I wonder or Is this too much heat? One or the other or both?

    He is feeding well always has done. With his size he is having weaner rats sometimes small rats and manages fine and eats every 2 weeks. Following what my partner did. Is this ok?

    Please let me know about the heating situation with light and heat mat please. Want to urgently sort this out.

    Thank you
    Jess
  • 01-22-2019, 09:29 AM
    Skyrivers
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tryme View Post
    Hi all,

    My partner who's account this is sadly passed away suddenly and unexpectedly 6 months ago. I have been looking after his royal ball python the best i can since then.
    He is 6 years old and I recently 2 weeks ago moved him into a new bigger vivarium (4ft).

    My partner had a heat lamp with guard fitted into the old vivarium but i couldn't transfer it over to the new one so i am having to buy a new one. It was an I internal light fitting (not the big lamps) so that you could screw the bulb in and the gridded guard protected it. I am having to buy a new fitting, bulb and guard now, can someone point me in the right direction with best ones and websites please. I wasn't the keenest on the snake and didn't know all about him so I've been having to teach myself and remember the odd things my partner said.

    I went to the reptile shop this morning to buy a new heat mat as the current one the snake has is 6 years old and wanted to replace it. The lady serving me said it was a fire hazard to have the heat mat sitting on a wooden vivarium and the wood/beech chipping ontop and I am lucky to have gotten away with it. (The heat mat has always been on a thermostat). She recommended an adhesive heat Mat to place on the side of the vivarium to radiate some gentle heat from the side rather than the bottom under the beech chippings. She also said to urgently fit the light fitting and bulb in and to mainly use the light as the source of heat for the snake...is this correct?
    From what I gather my partner didn't leave the light on in the vivarium all day long (deffinatley not at night) so it wasn't on a dimming thermostat just a switch and would only be on for a short while for some basking every now and then.

    She wants me to buy a light dimming thermostat that has a day and night setting too so that the light dims to adjust with the heat and told me at night just turn the temperature down on the thermostat and back up again in the day. Shall i do this or what should I stick to?

    I currently have the thermostat set to 23-25c at night time and a few degrees higher in the day. Is this right or can you recommend night and day temps for the thermostat/heat mat for me please!

    Is it ok to have the heat mat on the same time as the light I wonder or Is this too much heat? One or the other or both?

    He is feeding well always has done. With his size he is having weaner rats sometimes small rats and manages fine and eats every 2 weeks. Following what my partner did. Is this ok?

    Please let me know about the heating situation with light and heat mat please. Want to urgently sort this out.

    Thank you
    Jess

    Sorry for your loss.

    Let me see if I can clear some things up for you.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tryme View Post
    I went to the reptile shop this morning to buy a new heat mat as the current one the snake has is 6 years old and wanted to replace it. The lady serving me said it was a fire hazard to have the heat mat sitting on a wooden vivarium and the wood/beech chipping ontop and I am lucky to have gotten away with it. (The heat mat has always been on a thermostat). She recommended an adhesive heat Mat to place on the side of the vivarium to radiate some gentle heat from the side rather than the bottom under the beech chippings. She also said to urgently fit the light fitting and bulb in and to mainly use the light as the source of heat for the snake...is this correct?
    From what I gather my partner didn't leave the light on in the vivarium all day long (deffinatley not at night) so it wasn't on a dimming thermostat just a switch and would only be on for a short while for some basking every now and then.Jess

    Placing the heat mat in the enclosure under the substrate on a thermostat is not a fire hazard at all. "Most types of wood will start combusting at about 300 degrees Celsius." If you are keeping it at 23-25c then the likely hood of a fire from it is low. Can electronics fail? Anything is possible. Heat pads and heat panels are used in wooden enclosures all the time without fires. The snake lays on the heat pad for belly heat. If it is on the side will not provide belly heat, only ambient heat and that would be IMO not enough heat. Ceramic heat emitters can be used safely if inside a guard.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...ZSUT9VPR&psc=1 plus.... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075KFFVVM...1-2d3cf013dad7 Is an ok way to go if you have https://www.amazon.com/Heater-Guard-...ords=CHE+guard

    That way you have heat and control over the heat and there is no way the snake can get to the heat source. Your hot spot should be 31C (89F) if my conversion is correct.

    Also Ball Pythons do not require light cycle but is ok to provide it if you like. They prefer to hide over being seen so darkness all time should have no bad effect on the animal is my understanding. The light is for our benefit to see them not theirs.

    I am sure others will chime in with better or more advice but welcome and best wishes.
  • 01-22-2019, 09:40 AM
    SquirmyPug
    It sounds to me like you need to change some things. And I'm sorry but my measurements will be in farenheit.

    You should have a hot spot that's around 90f. The other side of the terrarium should be around 80f.

    There are multiple ways to get those temperatures. I would suggest an under tank heater for the hot spot and if you're able to mount one, a radiant heat panel to heat the whole cage up a bit.
  • 01-22-2019, 09:41 AM
    tryme
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Skyrivers View Post
    Sorry for your loss.

    Let me see if I can clear some things up for you.



    Placing the heat mat in the enclosure under the substrate on a thermostat is not a fire hazard at all. "Most types of wood will start combusting at about 300 degrees Celsius." If you are keeping it at 23-25c then the likely hood of a fire from it is low. Can electronics fail? Anything is possible. Heat pads and heat panels are used in wooden enclosures all the time without fires. The snake lays on the heat pad for belly heat. If it is on the side will not provide belly heat, only ambient heat and that would be IMO not enough heat. Ceramic heat emitters can be used safely if inside a guard.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...ZSUT9VPR&psc=1 plus.... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075KFFVVM...1-2d3cf013dad7 Is an ok way to go if you have https://www.amazon.com/Heater-Guard-...ords=CHE+guard

    That way you have heat and control over the heat and there is no way the snake can get to the heat source. Your hot spot should be 31C (89F) if my conversion is correct.

    Also Ball Pythons do not require light cycle but is ok to provide it if you like. They prefer to hide over being seen so darkness all time should have no bad effect on the animal is my understanding. The light is for our benefit to see them not theirs.

    I am sure others will chime in with better or more advice but welcome and best wishes.


    Thank you for replying quickly and for the advice.
    Although i was no expert with snake care (it was my partners snake and he knew all about him, care, feeding etc.) I was confused by what the lady was telling me which left me questioning myself and my partners thinking. I was always there to talk to him about the snake just never thought I would have to remember what he told me as i didn't know we would be in this position.

    So to clarify his, the snake doesn't need the heat lamp on a thermostat as the main source of heat? The adhesive heat Mat under the wood chippings at the correct temperature (it never goes above 32 c in the day and no power than 23 at night) is not going to suddenly cause a fire and it is correct to have it underneath him as he does like the hot side during the day when sleeping and comes out at night and moves about.

    I want to fit a bulb in but I'm wondering do I need to keep it on all day of I have the heat Mat on? Can I just use the heat lamp as and when on a thermostat or should I deffinatley use the heat mat and not worry myself about using the light/heatbulb?

    Thank you
  • 01-22-2019, 10:40 AM
    Jamiekerk
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...503a25df3a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f31037c9ec.jpg

    I don’t use lights I use ceramic heat emitters and a heat mat.

    I have heat mat set to 92 this provides him a hot spot of 90 (regulated by stat) I then have the ceramic set to 26 degrees c not sure of conversions.

    The temp gun was at 91 just didn’t get s pic before temps dropped after opening viv.


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  • 01-22-2019, 10:47 AM
    tryme
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jamiekerk View Post
    https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...503a25df3a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f31037c9ec.jpg

    I don’t use lights I use ceramic heat emitters and a heat mat.

    I have heat mat set to 92 this provides him a hot spot of 90 (regulated by stat) I then have the ceramic set to 26 degrees c not sure of conversions.

    The temp gun was at 91 just didn’t get s pic before temps dropped after opening viv.


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    What ceramic heater do you use aswell as the heat mat? And where do you place the ceramic? On the hot side with the heat mat/whereabouts in the tank?
    Im wondering of that may be best instead of a light with the heat mat to warm the tank up a bit more...
    Do you mind me asking which ceramic heat emitters do you use?

    What temp do you set your ceramic heat emitter too day and night along with the heat mat...do you leave them both on at the same time? Don't want to make it too hot for him.

    Last thing do you use 50w or 100w bulb?
    Thank you
  • 01-22-2019, 10:58 AM
    tryme
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Also I want to get a new thermostat.

    Has anyone used this one... HabiStat Day-Night Pulse Proportional Thermostat 600W White https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003083N..._S6YrCbQ0AX8KQ
    I would like to get the day and night pulse one...will this automatically control day and night temps rather than me having to manually set the thermostat myself day and night?

    Would have hoped to buy one thermostat for the heat mat and the bulb/ceramic if thats doable?
  • 01-22-2019, 11:52 AM
    Jamiekerk
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tryme View Post
    What ceramic heater do you use aswell as the heat mat? And where do you place the ceramic? On the hot side with the heat mat/whereabouts in the tank?
    Im wondering of that may be best instead of a light with the heat mat to warm the tank up a bit more...
    Do you mind me asking which ceramic heat emitters do you use?

    What temp do you set your ceramic heat emitter too day and night along with the heat mat...do you leave them both on at the same time? Don't want to make it too hot for him.

    Last thing do you use 50w or 100w bulb?
    Thank you

    Heat mat is under the snakes hide in the right side, heat mat will do pretty much nothing to heat ambiant air temps up.

    I leave both on at the same time I have controlled with thermostats so the hotspot never goes above 33 degrees c.

    I have have it on right side on his warm side


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  • 01-22-2019, 11:54 AM
    Jamiekerk
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5a72fc0ce0.jpg

    But it all depends on what kind of enclosure this kind of setup is great for wooden vivs


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  • 01-22-2019, 11:56 AM
    Jamiekerk
    My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urgently
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tryme View Post
    Also I want to get a new thermostat.

    Has anyone used this one... HabiStat Day-Night Pulse Proportional Thermostat 600W White https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003083N..._S6YrCbQ0AX8KQ
    I would like to get the day and night pulse one...will this automatically control day and night temps rather than me having to manually set the thermostat myself day and night?

    Would have hoped to buy one thermostat for the heat mat and the bulb/ceramic if thats doable?

    Yes day and night allow u to program different temps at different times, day and night drop isn’t always needed unless your trying to induce breeding response.

    Edit

    It says you need to connect something additional I am not sure about this as I use microclimate evo in my vivs far easier to use

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  • 01-22-2019, 02:32 PM
    Jellybeans
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    So sorry for your loss.

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  • 01-22-2019, 04:19 PM
    tryme
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jamiekerk View Post
    Yes day and night allow u to program different temps at different times, day and night drop isn’t always needed unless your trying to induce breeding response.

    Edit

    It says you need to connect something additional I am not sure about this as I use microclimate evo in my vivs far easier to use

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


    Are you able yo send me the link so i can have a look at the microclimate evo stat please? I haven't heard of them ones before my partner normally uses the ones I showed you but i want stat u can use for both the ceramic heat bulb and the thermostat in a day and night pulse too
  • 01-22-2019, 04:29 PM
    Jamiekerk
    My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urgently
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tryme View Post
    Are you able yo send me the link so i can have a look at the microclimate evo stat please? I haven't heard of them ones before my partner normally uses the ones I showed you but i want stat u can use for both the ceramic heat bulb and the thermostat in a day and night pulse too

    I think it may only be a uk thing I’m afraid, I can’t find it on American eBay or American amazon.

    Hopefully some one in America can advise u further

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  • 01-22-2019, 04:44 PM
    L.West
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Sorry for your loss. Glad to see that you are taking care of his snake. Your efforts are commendable.
  • 01-22-2019, 05:27 PM
    tryme
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jamiekerk View Post
    I think it may only be a uk thing I’m afraid, I can’t find it on American eBay or American amazon.

    Hopefully some one in America can advise u further

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    I am from the UK so will be able to get one if needed
  • 01-22-2019, 05:39 PM
    Jamiekerk
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tryme View Post
    I am from the UK so will be able to get one if needed

    Ah right I thought u was American lol sorry about that.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Microclim...YAAOSwKtVWx4WF

    This is what I use they do come on offer at times


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  • 01-22-2019, 06:13 PM
    tryme
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jamiekerk View Post
    Ah right I thought u was American lol sorry about that.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Microclim...YAAOSwKtVWx4WF

    This is what I use they do come on offer at times


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    I see this thermostat is for dimming also. Does this work with your ceramic heat emitter?Can this thermostat control two heat sources at once or will I need a second one for the heat mat?

    Looks very technical to set up
  • 01-22-2019, 07:21 PM
    Jamiekerk
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tryme View Post
    I see this thermostat is for dimming also. Does this work with your ceramic heat emitter?Can this thermostat control two heat sources at once or will I need a second one for the heat mat?

    Looks very technical to set up

    I use this very one for my ceramics, it only has one probe so you would need a second stat for Mat but a very basic mat stat would be fine.


    It’s not hard to setup because it’s touch screen so u just type in the temps you want


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  • 01-22-2019, 08:58 PM
    Knowell
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Sorry for your lose. Do yourself a favor a listen to the experienced patrons we have on this forum and NOT that store clerk that doesn't seem to know what it takes to burn wood or even that snake digest with belly heat. I'm not going to repeat everyone just want to stress the fact that store clerk is passing poor info IMO.

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  • 01-23-2019, 12:55 PM
    tryme
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Knowell View Post
    Sorry for your lose. Do yourself a favor a listen to the experienced patrons we have on this forum and NOT that store clerk that doesn't seem to know what it takes to burn wood or even that snake digest with belly heat. I'm not going to repeat everyone just want to stress the fact that store clerk is passing poor info IMO.

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    I will do
  • 01-23-2019, 05:15 PM
    CALM Pythons
    My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urgently
    Well i see several things that I haven’t heard of before in this post.
    In the US 99% of us do not put Heat Mats inside a enclosure because we us Tanks or PVC enclosures. We put the Mat under the enclosure to heat the floor but if Im reading correctly your enclosure is wood so the Heat from the Mat wouldn’t penetrate through enough. You must have a heat mat that’s liquid proof? Also you Wont catch the wood on fire, thats would need to be extremely hot, not 100-150 degrees.. also putting a Heat mat on the side of any enclosure is Useless. These stores are full of people that know nothing and want to sell everything to you
    If I were you id do 1 of 2 things....
    1) My first choice if I had a Wood cage would be a RHP (Radiant heat panel). The wattage depends on the size enclosure. Your enclosure is 4’ but how deep and how tall??
    This is what I use. I mount my RHP (with screws) on the Hot Side of the enclosure. This gives me 90 at the Hot spot and that gives me 78-80 degrees at the Cool spot. This is a perfect setup option and the most advanced IMO. I use a Herpstat (Thermostat) to run the RHP. The “Herpstat 1” is all you need to run one heat source. I use herpstat 2’s as i use one Thermostat to heat 2 enclosures. I’ll send you links so you understand. The Herpstat is the most advances Thermostat on the market and its been leading the industry for decades.
    The cost of these two products are aprox $145 for the Herpstat Shipped and $100-$130 for RHP shipped. Yes its a bit pricey, but its Top quality and they last forever. The Radiant Heat panels I buy are from Pro Products. Reptile Basics also makes some but I have no experience with their product.

    2) The Second way you can do this is with 2 heat mats or 1 heat mat and 1 CHE..
    if using 2 Heat Mats Id run a Heat mat at 90 and the other at 80, or if using a CHE then just get the correct wattage CHE needed to get a 78 degree cool spot depending on the hight of CHE from the floor of enclosure.
    Usually 12” high is around 60 watt, 18”-24” high you go 100 watt. Thats the distance from CHE to the Floor.
    Honestly id spend the money on the Herpstat & RHP. They are “Set and Forget”... where worrying about the CHE and having 2 different heat sources is a Pain to me.
    Anyway that you go Herpstats are the best Tstats out there and you can get them in different models depending on how many heat sources your plugging in to them. So you could still get a herpstat even if running 1 heat mat, 2 heat mats, or a Heat mat and a CHE. Here are some links.
    Herpstat: https://www.spyderrobotics.com/index...products_id=25
    RHP: http://pro-products.com/pro-heat/

    And the other producer of a RHP: http://www.reptilebasics.com/80-watt-radiant-heat-panel


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  • 01-23-2019, 05:30 PM
    CALM Pythons
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CALM Pythons View Post
    Well i see several things that I haven’t heard of before in this post.
    In the US 99% of us do not put Heat Mats inside a enclosure because we us Tanks or PVC enclosures. We put the Mat under the enclosure to heat the floor but if Im reading correctly your enclosure is wood so the Heat from the Mat wouldn’t penetrate through enough. You must have a heat mat that’s liquid proof? Also you Wont catch the wood on fire, thats would need to be extremely hot, not 100-150 degrees.. also putting a Heat mat on the side of any enclosure is Useless. These stores are full of people that know nothing and want to sell everything to you
    If I were you id do 1 of 2 things....
    1) My first choice if I had a Wood cage would be a RHP (Radiant heat panel). The wattage depends on the size enclosure. Your enclosure is 4’ but how deep and how tall??
    This is what I use. I mount my RHP (with screws) on the Hot Side of the enclosure. This gives me 90 at the Hot spot and that gives me 78-80 degrees at the Cool spot. This is a perfect setup option and the most advanced IMO. I use a Herpstat (Thermostat) to run the RHP. The “Herpstat 1” is all you need to run one heat source. I use herpstat 2’s as i use one Thermostat to heat 2 enclosures. I’ll send you links so you understand. The Herpstat is the most advances Thermostat on the market and its been leading the industry for decades.
    The cost of these two products are aprox $145 for the Herpstat Shipped and $100-$130 for RHP shipped. Yes its a bit pricey, but its Top quality and they last forever. The Radiant Heat panels I buy are from Pro Products. Reptile Basics also makes some but I have no experience with their product.

    2) The Second way you can do this is with 2 heat mats or 1 heat mat and 1 CHE..
    if using 2 Heat Mats Id run a Heat mat at 90 and the other at 80, or if using a CHE then just get the correct wattage CHE needed to get a 78 degree cool spot depending on the hight of CHE from the floor of enclosure.
    Usually 12” high is around 60 watt, 18”-24” high you go 100 watt. Thats the distance from CHE to the Floor.
    Honestly id spend the money on the Herpstat & RHP. They are “Set and Forget”... where worrying about the CHE and having 2 different heat sources is a Pain to me.
    Anyway that you go Herpstats are the best Tstats out there and you can get them in different models depending on how many heat sources your plugging in to them. So you could still get a herpstat even if running 1 heat mat, 2 heat mats, or a Heat mat and a CHE. Here are some links.
    Herpstat: https://www.spyderrobotics.com/index...products_id=25
    RHP: http://pro-products.com/pro-heat/

    And the other producer of a RHP: http://www.reptilebasics.com/80-watt-radiant-heat-panel


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    PS: you can PM me and I can explain any questions you have about these methods and about how easy they are to hook up :)


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  • 01-23-2019, 07:38 PM
    tryme
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CALM Pythons View Post
    PS: you can PM me and I can explain any questions you have about these methods and about how easy they are to hook up :)


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    Thank you.

    If i were using a 150w ceramic heat emitter on a dimmer stat too (aswell as heat mat on hot side) do you think the cork tube/hiding log in the viv will be ok with the heat emitted from the ceramic bulb?
  • 01-23-2019, 08:26 PM
    CALM Pythons
    Re: My partner passed away and im looking after his snake...Need help and advice urge
    What matters in this situation is the distance between them... not sure what the hight of your enclosure is or how far down the Fixture will hang, however the cork and anything else in the enclosure should be fine. If its Hot enough to burn cork, wood or melt plastic the snake would be cooked first. So think of it as your temp should be around 76-80 measured at the floor of cool side from the CHE so its not going to burn or melt anything. Start the CHE at 1/2 dimmer and every 2 hours check the temp of the floor.
    You might want to consider different hides. PVC hides are not as pretty, but they are safe and the Balls love them as they are very Dark and secluded. They are also light & easy to clean staying bacteria free. All the decorations that you get at pet stores usually are not safe at all and they harvest bacteria and moisture badly. Here is a link to Hides. They are around $6 each plus $7 shippinh. For Balls a Large will last a life time and thats $20 for both shipped.
    http://www.reptilebasics.com/large-hide-box


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