More tags.. go me.

Ok, before I just bore you with more bite threads..

I just have to share that my honduran milk tagged me. She bit the back of my hand -very gently- then proceeded to chomp down as hard as she possibly could. I couldn't help but laugh at her.

Hope that amuses you. :)

ha ha....the more snakes you have, the more you get bit....so it is kinda your fault for having so many snakes :D j/k

I am very amused by this :).....I have yet to be tagged by a snake, but have come close many times.....I guess I am just quick :eyepoppin:

When they go for me, I just sit still.. it's my natural response. I suppose it's good, because I don't hurt the snakes' teeth by pulling away, and they learn that their shenanigans won't work with me.

ha...April, I was reading a news article and found this quote:

''Your odds are probably better of winning the lottery three weeks in a row than getting bit by a python,'' said Joe Wasilewski, a South Miami-Dade County biologist and reptile wrangler.

So where are the winnings??? :D

I should have won at least 6 times then.. and that's only for blood drawing python bites! Geez.. only two python bites? I think I need more pythons..

lol, daniel.

man shelby, you're on a role! if only i could get bit by so many snakes:love:

I didn't even mention that my baby cornsnake bit me saturday night. ;)

LOL That's very controlled of you, April. I have a parrot and my reaction is to shake him off my hand - not good as birds have hollow bones. So - do snakes tend to bite and let go or will they hang on for dear life ?

I am up to two now, and only have six snakes. The first one was by one the suspect WC girls that I saw coming, and the last one came from my son's boa as I was putting in a new hide for her, ungrateful wench! :mad:
..oh, and both times it was just a quick strike and backed off. Neither one tried to clamp on at all. :fork:

Well from our experience with Brannagh biting (none of the others have bitten, though have occasionally done the "hiss off" jab at us) I can say she just hit and backed off so fast my eye couldn't really follow it. When she bit Mike's bare hand the most damage was from him instinctively pulling his hand back so Brann's teeth dragged over his skin, popping one very tiny tooth out in the process. It was still nothing worse than you might get skinning your hand fixing a car engine or something like that. When she bit me Ithrough the glove) it was barely more than a paper cut type thing and she's a big female. No clamping down or attempt to constrict...just a lightning fast nip and then she backed right off. I figure if that's the worst a pretty aggressive 1,900 gram female will do then the smaller, more nicer natured snakes are just no biggie.


~~Jo~~

Well, all of my snake bites have been quick tag and release except for two. First one was the most memorable.. the 8' burm clamping down on my hand and not letting go for anything.. that lasted several minutes.. stinker!

Second one was my baby honduran milksnake being a brat and chomping down as hard as she could before letting go!

Thanks, guys :) I guess I probably don't have too much to be concerned about with our little one then - she's a nice stress-free snake who seems to enjoy handling anyway.

Vinnimac - I love your avatar - since I've seen that around the forum I've really wanted to get a Piebald - and even made a tentative enquiry to a breeder here in the UK here to see how much a baby one of them would be - I haven't had a reply yet but am dreading the ££££££'s

Well here in the US a pied is around $6000-7000.

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Well here in the US a pied is around $6000-7000.

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*GULP*

Well - at least that gives me a slight clue as to how much it would be here - time to start saving ...

you should never ever ever even think about owning a hot!!! hehehe

LOL. I got tagged earlier this week by one of my baby ball pythons. He managed to break the skin acutally, I was surprised by that.

He decided to hide in the newspaper and my hand was apparently too close to his face.

Raz, instead of such a major outlay for an actual pied you might consider down the road getting a 1.1 (male and female) 100% het for pied and then raising them to breeding age and trying to hatch of a pied of your own. Long road to it with no absolute guarantees and you need to research breeding and so forth but that's they way we'll be doing it. Well unless I can sell a kidney that is LOL! (just kidding folks!)

If you do ever decide to go the het route though, always buy from a good breeder with a sterling reputation and references. You can get majorily ripped off out there when it comes to hets as you can't "see" their genetics so are relying on the integrity of the breeder's records and word.


~~Jo~~

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Raz, instead of such a major outlay for an actual pied you might consider down the road getting a 1.1 (male and female) 100% het for pied and then raising them to breeding age and trying to hatch of a pied of your own. Long road to it with no absolute guarantees and you need to research breeding and so forth but that's they way we'll be doing it. Well unless I can sell a kidney that is LOL! (just kidding folks!)

If you do ever decide to go the het route though, always buy from a good breeder with a sterling reputation and references. You can get majorily ripped off out there when it comes to hets as you can't "see" their genetics so are relying on the integrity of the breeder's records and word.


~~Jo~~

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All the technical terms :( het?? I've seen it around the forum but am not sure what it is.

I actually did a search and contacted a breeder here in the UK and he will have Pied babies next year and will be selling males (he didn't mention females - guess that's where the top bucks go) and will be selling them for £2,500 - £3,000 each (prob. about $4-5,000). So am unsure if I'll even have that amount of cash spare then (hell I got a house and 3 kids, 1 dog, 1 parrot, 1 ball and 3 lizards to support!!)

If I did get him though, and bred him with Emily (100% normal so far as I know) I guess we would get a 50% pied.

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All the technical terms :( het?? I've seen it around the forum but am not sure what it is.

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Het stands for Heterozygous. It is an animal that carries the gene for a certain trait, but doesn't display the visual difference. (Homozygous)

And so Rusty doesn't jump on me... Some visually different animals are also sometimes called Hets because they are Co-Dominant (Pastels, Lessers, etc..) and when bred to one another, they make a completely new looking animal (The Dominant form)

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If I did get him though, and bred him with Emily (100% normal so far as I know) I guess we would get a 50% pied.

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Piebald is a recessive gene, so... If you bred a Homozygous Piebald with a Nomal, you would get 100% Het Piebald babies. (All normal looking, but carrying the Piebald Trait)

With a Co-Dominant gene, like pastel, if you bred a Pastel to a Normal, you would get about half pastels, and half normals (but none of the normals would be carrying the pastel gene)

With a Dominant gene, like a Super Pastel (the product of two pastels), if bred with a normal, you would get all pastels.

(Genetics is mind boggling 'eh??)


.....as I'm writing this, I'm remembering RDR's journal entry for the month of December... lol.. for those of you who've read it...

...I'm such a poser! But at least I'm not a troll... I don't think anyway.. :)

Rusty won't jump on you, but I think you're thinking of Randy. ;) But's that ok, I'll do it today. :lmao: :neener:

Pastel is a codominant gene, and Super Pastel is just a homozygous form of the codominant gene. An example of a dominant gene is a spider. Otherwise you got the results right. :D

If you want to look at some genetics info, here's a link to NERD's website. Scroll down to the genetics part and check it out. If you have any questions please ask. I actually never thought my genetics classes would ever be useful but boy was I wrong. (of course can't remember much past the basics, but that's as much as I really need so I'm good! ;) )

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/care.html

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Pastel is a codominant gene, and Super Pastel is just a homozygous form of the codominant gene.

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Hmm, I thought I said that. Sorry if I mixed something up.

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An example of a dominant gene is a spider.

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From my understanding, (and I could be wrong), Spider has not yet been proved Dominant. They're a co-dom morph with no known Super form yet. Spider to normal still only gives half spiders.... Dominant genes when bred with normals give 100% co-doms. (ie Super Pastels to Normals give 100% Pastels)

New England Reptiles has it listed as a dominant gene....

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ball_spider.html

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From my understanding, (and I could be wrong), Spider has not yet been proved Dominant. They're a co-dom morph with no known Super form yet. Spider to normal still only gives half spiders.... Dominant genes when bred with normals give 100% co-doms. (ie Super Pastels to Normals give 100% Pastels)

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If you breed a morph animal to a normal and you get some morphs, it's dominant. Period.

If it is a dominant trait (not co-dom) you have no way to tell which animals are 'supers' or homozygous. So.. a heterozygous spider (which looks like a spider) will only throw 50% spiders in a clutch with a normal. A homozygous spider would throw 100% spiders in a clutch with a normal, but all of those spiders would be heterozygous spiders (carry one copy of the spider gene)

Super pastels (homozygous pastel) give 100% pastels when bred to normal.. yes. However PASTELS (heterozygous pastel) give only 50% pastel when bred to a normal.

The difference between dominant and co-dom is that dominant morph animals look the same as heterozygous and as homozygous.. and co-doms look different (like pastel/super pastel)