Breeding for size?

Ever heard of anyone breeding for a smaller or larger BP? Just curious.


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Originally Posted by Jbabycsx

Ever heard of anyone breeding for a smaller or larger BP? Just curious.


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I’m a little confused on what your trying to ask,

I’m reading it as breeding to obtain a larger BP or breeding to obtain a smaller like mini BP if so I haven’t heard if it.

Breeding in general I’ve always kept my male/female BP size and weight close to same.


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I'd love to see it. The morphs that people breed for are beautiful, but imagine a snake 5-6 foot BP! A calm and lazy disposition in a larger package, that would be the bees-knees!

There are 6' females at 4.5kg out there, have a search on YouTube:-) that's as big as my 5yr old male boa, can't imagine a ball that size in person.

https://youtu.be/r0rHquL5C2M

Volta localities are considered "giant" can be found every now and then, after that it's all about genetic not all animals are designed to be 3000 or 4000 grams, I have 1st, 2nd and now 3 generations of pied and het pieds traced back to my founder female (which was over 4000 grams) that consistently reach those sizes and lay 8 to 12 eggs clutches without issue, producing babies that are 90/95 grams out of the egg.

I was thinking more like people that breed for a “mini” BP. They do it for pigs, dogs and everything else.


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Originally Posted by Jbabycsx

I was thinking more like people that breed for a “mini” BP. They do it for pigs, dogs and everything else.


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I haven’t heard of it being possible, doesn’t mean it’s not possible. I mean a Mini Designer Morph concept would be cool but at what cost. I understand the question your originally posted now.


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Originally Posted by Jbabycsx

I was thinking more like people that breed for a “mini” BP. They do it for pigs, dogs and everything else.


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Economically doing so would make no sense for a BP breeder, not like BP are big to start with (if you want small just get a male) breeding for small size in BP would mean small animals, small clutches (not like the clutches are big already 6 eggs on average), small babies.

Now if you want small there are dwarf and super dwarf retics and dwarf boas and dwarf burms but does went from very large to perfect size for a keeper and breeding wise they were already producing large amount of eggs to start with.

I am personally breeding for bigger and healthier. As well as temperament. I have a 4,000 gram spider ball python. She’s definitely at least 5 feet long. Absolutely no wobble, sweet as can be and eats frozen thawed food like a beast. I just got my first clutch this year and already one has doubled in size and was eating frozen on the third feeding. This baby has never even tried to bite me either. I personally enjoy larger bps as generally I find them to be calmer. I could understand the smaller aspect as not everyone wants such a large snake.

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Volta localities are considered "giant" can be found every now and then, after that it's all about genetic not all animals are designed to be 3000 or 4000 grams, I have 1st, 2nd and now 3 generations of pied and het pieds traced back to my founder female (which was over 4000 grams) that consistently reach those sizes and lay 8 to 12 eggs clutches without issue, producing babies that are 90/95 grams out of the egg.

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So it’s safe to assume a 95g hatchling will be 5-6 feet adult?

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Originally Posted by Scooda954

So it’s safe to assume a 95g hatchling will be 5-6 feet adult?

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No fluke happen because it's 95 grams when hatching does not mean it will be 4000 grams and 5 to 6 feet just like because it hatches at 45 grams doesn't mean it won't be huge.

It's not about the size of the hatchling it more the size of the parents ;)

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Economically doing so would make no sense for a BP breeder, not like BP are big to start with (if you want small just get a male) breeding for small size in BP would mean small animals, small clutches (not like the clutches are big already 6 eggs on average), small babies.

Now if you want small there are dwarf and super dwarf retics and dwarf boas and dwarf burms but does went from very large to perfect size for a keeper and breeding wise they were already producing large amount of eggs to start with.

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True the clutches would be small, but I think the novelty of a BP that only got the size of a milk snake would have people lining up to buy them. For some reason people love any animal that has “mini”, “tea cup” or “pocket” in front of it.

By the way, I’m in no way saying that I would consider doing this. Just making conversation.


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True the clutches would be small, but I think the novelty of a BP that only got the size of a milk snake would have people lining up to buy them. For some reason people love any animal that has “mini”, “tea cup” or “pocket” in front of it.

By the way, I’m in no way saying that I would consider doing this. Just making conversation.


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The only thing is - "mini" dogs and "dwarf" cats have a ton of health issues from not being the correct size. Small breed dogs have luxating knee-caps, retain baby teeth / have dental problems, malformed livers and hearts, the dwarf cats have joint issues as well. Not that snakes have to worry about limb malformation....but any time you breed for something the species was not meant for you get issues. Our morphs are all crazy in appearance when compared to natural wild-type pythons, but they are still recognizable pythons in shape and mobility. I think if you tried to "shrink" a ball to less than 'small male size' you'd probably increase things like spinal kinks, egg binding, possibly infertility as well as organ issues.

And, yeah - even with the problems people would want them for the novelty of the animal without considering health.

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The only thing is - "mini" dogs and "dwarf" cats have a ton of health issues from not being the correct size. Small breed dogs have luxating knee-caps, retain baby teeth / have dental problems, malformed livers and hearts, the dwarf cats have joint issues as well. Not that snakes have to worry about limb malformation....but any time you breed for something the species was not meant for you get issues. Our morphs are all crazy in appearance when compared to natural wild-type pythons, but they are still recognizable pythons in shape and mobility. I think if you tried to "shrink" a ball to less than 'small male size' you'd probably increase things like spinal kinks, egg binding, possibly infertility as well as organ issues.

And, yeah - even with the problems people would want them for the novelty of the animal without considering health.

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Sadly, this is true.


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Milk snakes still are a good size snake depending on the species tho.... Up to 6 feet. Now a ball python bred to be more compact and that skinny would just look emaciated and sad.

Also keep in mind that in some animals (dogs and cats or lion/tiger crossbreeds) you get issues with going too large as well. Heart problems or different types of bone deformities than going mini can lead to. Or shortened lifespans.
A 5 pound chihuahua? 12-20 years... vs 8-10 on a great dane

Reptiles are a weird spot tho as they technically continue growing throughout their life, just slow down greatly with age. Obviously selective breeding as mentioned before is key.
though the founding leopard gecko for the giant line died unexpectedly at only age 6. So who knows if you would end up with similar issues on snakes.