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Does this look like a woma fire yellowbelly
I've been looking for some yellowbelly multi genes. I came across this guy on craigslist selling him. I've not seen him in person. http://i67.tinypic.com/in8ncg.jpg
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Re: Does this look like a woma fire yellowbelly
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Originally Posted by Dolo
I don’t know what that is, but it’s awesome! How much??? I will buy it and pay for shipping too! Hook a brother up!
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Late update. I did purchase the animal. It turned out to be a female. But, I think it's actually a Super Enchi Woma. BHB has produced some and she looks like them. https://www.morphmarket.com/us/searc...y=&layout=grid
If anyone sees something different please let me know.
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I do not see Enchi in that animal. Enchi enhances the expression of the yellow pigment, SuperEnchi even more so, and you do not see any of that. I would believe it was a Fire Woma YB or just a high quality Fire Woma
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Thank you for your reply asplundii. I hope your right. I'm most likely going to breed her to an Ivory Pastel. Keeping her regardless. Her pattern is awesome.
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Re: Does this look like a woma fire yellowbelly
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Originally Posted by asplundii
I do not see Enchi in that animal. Enchi enhances the expression of the yellow pigment, SuperEnchi even more so, and you do not see any of that. I would believe it was a Fire Woma YB or just a high quality Fire Woma
On most enchi combos I agree with you but out of the enchi woma and super enchi womas I've seen, it doesn't seem to have that same yellowing effect, they stay more of a brown tan. On this animal the pattern is just so reduced, I would think it had enchi if not super enchi. Because of its light color and blushed head stamp I do believe it has fire. What I'm not seeing is yellow belly. If it did have enchi and yellow belly, then I would think it would have more yellow coloring but yellow belly is a hard one for me. My guess for this animal is enchi woma fire, possibly super enchi woma fire. But I think your going to need to breed her to be positive on anything other than woma.
OP, can you get side and belly pics? I think it could help determine if yellow belly is in there.
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Re: Does this look like a woma fire yellowbelly
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Originally Posted by Dolo
Late update. I did purchase the animal. It turned out to be a female. But, I think it's actually a Super Enchi Woma. BHB has produced some and she looks like them. https://www.morphmarket.com/us/searc...y=&layout=grid
If anyone sees something different please let me know.
I agree, it looks definitely like a super enchi woma. Very nice.
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Re: Does this look like a woma fire yellowbelly
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Originally Posted by rufretic
On most enchi combos I agree with you but out of the enchi woma and super enchi womas I've seen, it doesn't seem to have that same yellowing effect, they stay more of a brown tan. On this animal the pattern is just so reduced, I would think it had enchi if not super enchi. Because of its light color and blushed head stamp I do believe it has fire. What I'm not seeing is yellow belly. If it did have enchi and yellow belly, then I would think it would have more yellow coloring but yellow belly is a hard one for me. My guess for this animal is enchi woma fire, possibly super enchi woma fire. But I think your going to need to breed her to be positive on anything other than woma.
OP, can you get side and belly pics? I think it could help determine if yellow belly is in there.
I concur. Definite super enchi woma with that awesome reduction! And the color tone on the head makes me think possibly fire gene as well
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Re: Does this look like a woma fire yellowbelly
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Originally Posted by Dolo
I'll start out by saying, I'm not great at spotting yellow belly in combos, especially ones I'm not familiar with but I have been doing a lot of research on it because it's a very useful gene and I've been trying to work more of it into my projects. But this is just my opinion based on what I've learned.
The belly shot would have me saying no yellow belly. It's way too clean and most combos with yellow belly have a checkering on the edges of the belly. Now because this woma is so reduced in pattern, I'm not sure how that would affect this checkering I'm talking about. I did find one yellow belly woma belly shot and it did have the checkering but this snake was not near as reduced as yours so I'm not 100% sure.
The side shot looks promising to me. Yellow belly tends to have yellow speckling working it's way up the sides giving almost a pixelated look. I'd say yours has that but looking at other womas, they all seem to have a bit of this so it's possible it's just the woma giving that look.
So overall, my guess would be no yellow belly. This certainly isn't a sure thing as far as I'm concerned but if I had to guess one way or the other, the belly is just too clean so I'd say no yellow belly.
If I were you, I'd still plan on breeding her with something that would prove one way or the other but could still produce combos you'd be happy with even if the yellow belly isn't present. One thought I had would by an ivory. You'll get ivories if she has yb so she'd be easily proved out but even if she doesn't you would now positively have yb in the hatchlings so you could end up with what your looking for anyway, you'd just need to take some time to grow it out.
Hope that was helpful.
Good luck!
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Re: Does this look like a woma fire yellowbelly
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Originally Posted by rufretic
On most enchi combos I agree with you but out of the enchi woma and super enchi womas I've seen, it doesn't seem to have that same yellowing effect, they stay more of a brown tan.
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Originally Posted by rufretic
On this animal the pattern is just so reduced, I would think it had enchi if not super enchi. Because of its light color and blushed head stamp I do believe it has fire. What I'm not seeing is yellow belly. If it did have enchi and yellow belly, then I would think it would have more yellow coloring but yellow belly is a hard one for me.
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I concur. Definite super enchi woma with that awesome reduction!
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Originally Posted by rufretic
What I'm not seeing is yellow belly. If it did have enchi and yellow belly, then I would think it would have more yellow coloring but yellow belly is a hard one for me.
Rufretic, Godzilla,
With respect, might I ask if either of you actually work with the Woma morph?
I have been working with Woma for the past eleven years so I do kind of have an eye for things that they do when in combo.
Most of the pics of Enchi Woma and SuperEnchi Woma are low-quality ones posted by one big breeders. His animals are not the norm.
You both focus on how reduced the animal is. I have produced both single gene and combo Womas without any Enchi in them that are as reduced as that animal. YB when paired with Woma, in a somewhat contradiction to its normal behaviour in combos, tends to reduce the pattern and deepen the blacks on the animals. The bellies on WomaYB stay clean so they are nearly worthless in helping the ID.
Dolo,
Can you ask the breeder what the pairing was that made this animal? If there is no Enchi in either parent then there would be no point in continuing to argue about whether or not this is and Enchi Woma or SuperEnchi Woma.
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Re: Does this look like a woma fire yellowbelly
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Originally Posted by asplundii
Rufretic, Godzilla,
With respect, might I ask if either of you actually work with the Woma morph?
I have been working with Woma for the past eleven years so I do kind of have an eye for things that they do when in combo.
Most of the pics of Enchi Woma and SuperEnchi Woma are low-quality ones posted by one big breeders. His animals are not the norm.
You both focus on how reduced the animal is. I have produced both single gene and combo Womas without any Enchi in them that are as reduced as that animal. YB when paired with Woma, in a somewhat contradiction to its normal behaviour in combos, tends to reduce the pattern and deepen the blacks on the animals. The bellies on WomaYB stay clean so they are nearly worthless in helping the ID.
Dolo,
Can you ask the breeder what the pairing was that made this animal? If there is no Enchi in either parent then there would be no point in continuing to argue about whether or not this is and Enchi Woma or SuperEnchi Woma.
Thank you for this helpful explanation, your experience has much more value than me just trying to help based off pictures. I did mention I do not have experience with woma but I am always interested in learning more so thank you for sharing your experience.
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Re: Does this look like a woma fire yellowbelly
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Originally Posted by asplundii
Rufretic, Godzilla,
With respect, might I ask if either of you actually work with the Woma morph?
I have been working with Woma for the past eleven years so I do kind of have an eye for things that they do when in combo.
Most of the pics of Enchi Woma and SuperEnchi Woma are low-quality ones posted by one big breeders. His animals are not the norm.
You both focus on how reduced the animal is. I have produced both single gene and combo Womas without any Enchi in them that are as reduced as that animal. YB when paired with Woma, in a somewhat contradiction to its normal behaviour in combos, tends to reduce the pattern and deepen the blacks on the animals. The bellies on WomaYB stay clean so they are nearly worthless in helping the ID.
Dolo,
Can you ask the breeder what the pairing was that made this animal? If there is no Enchi in either parent then there would be no point in continuing to argue about whether or not this is and Enchi Woma or SuperEnchi Woma.
I called and texted him yesterday. Haven't heard back. I'm pretty sure he wasn't the original breeder because he was selling 6 ball pythons. They were different gene snakes. I know 4 of them Fire Woma YB, Het Pied, Enchi G-Stripe and "Volta". He told me him and his wife wanted to sell the ball pythons and get into hognoses.
I posted this because when we met up something seemed off about him. When I started asking for background info on the "Volta" then all of sudden he remembered it was sold. I realize it wasn't the smartest move to purchase an animal off of Craiglist but I don't have any regrets. She's a great eater plus awesome to look at when I take her out.
Thank you guys for taking your time out posting.
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