is Bela het for spider? ;)

I was reading about how many Spider BPs have what is known as a "wobbly head." Their head kind of wobbles from side to side when they are at rest. Well, Bela does this. She does this also while she's in the act of swallowing her prey. Add to this the fact that she is pretty reduced in pattern, and I have to wonder if she has Spider in there somewhere!!
Of course, I am only fantasizing, and for now she is just a pretty normal. But I can dream, right? :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ve/BLbela2.jpg

I have observed this is some snakes also...I don't see how it could be related to a specific genetic pattern.

she's a pretty one gin! she'll make pretty babies with whatever she is paired up with.


vaughn

Thanks. I of course, do not really think she is het spider. ;)
I would love to find a really reduced male to breed her to. But it is kinda tough, talking the boyfriend into getting more snakes, as he is not the snake-lover of the pair of us :) Sure, he likes them to handle once in awhile, and loves to see them eat, but they're basically mine.

go ahead and pick up a reduced male! you're a woman, i'm sure you know how to get your way! lol my wife ends getting her way alot, sooner or later! lol


vaughn

There is one male I want to sell; theoretically, it would make another "opening" so I could get another one. I just don;t have room/cages to get another one, so his reasoning is pretty logical! hehe.

I have a few normals from a spider clutch and they're all freaky looking! Two have this round clear spot on their heads and have a whacked out pattern (I'm sure they're littermates). The other has an intense orange and thick thick black, and this tribal tattoo like pattern. I always have this hope that they might have something floating around in them, but I'm just delusional.

are you selling any of those normals?

From a spider clutch.. are they het for spider??

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From a spider clutch.. are they het for spider??

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Being new here, I'm not sure if you are joking or not. That being said, there is no such thing as a "Het" for spider. It is either a spider or not a spider. :)

Actually the het for spider gene balls are the spider appearing animals. Heterozygous does not mean normal looking gene carrier, it just means having an unmatched pair of genes for whatever trait you are talking about. Since spider is a dominant type mutation even being het for the spider gene is enough to make a visible mutant looking ball.

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Actually the het for spider gene balls are the spider appearing animals. Heterozygous does not mean normal looking gene carrier, it just means having an unmatched pair of genes for whatever trait you are talking about. Since spider is a dominant type mutation even being het for the spider gene is enough to make a visible mutant looking ball.

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Why do you feel the need to hijack every single post that even remotely brushes against your agenda and pollute it? Did you even look at the picture in the original post? How about starting your own threads for this junk instead of stealing others?

-adam

The antagonism here has got to stop.

CEASE

DESIST

This isn't in response to the adam-randy heat-butting, but isn't spider a co-dom trait just like a pastel? So the resulting clutch from a Spider/Pastel x Normal would produce 50% spider/pastel and 50% normal?

The public still doesn't know if spider is co-dominant or completely dominant. It depends on if a homozygous spider is viable and if it is identical to a heterozygous spider (if yes to both it's completely dominant and if not it's co-dominant).

The reason that either spider or pastel X normal produces eggs which each have a 50% chance of being spider or pastel respectively is because the spider or pastel parent is a het. Being heterozygous means that they have an unmatched pair of genes. In this case one normal and one mutant. Each egg has a 50/50 chance of getting the mutant gene.

The fact that spider and pastel are both some sort of dominant type mutation just means that the hets are not normal looking. It's the heterozygous part that is important for figuring out the 50/50 ratio, just like with het albino X normal.

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The public still doesn't know if spider is co-dominant or completely dominant. It depends on if a homozygous spider is viable and if it is identical to a heterozygous spider (if yes to both it's completely dominant and if not it's co-dominant).

The reason that either spider or pastel X normal produces eggs which each have a 50% chance of being spider or pastel respectively is because the spider or pastel parent is a het. Being heterozygous means that they have an unmatched pair of genes. In this case one normal and one mutant. Each egg has a 50/50 chance of getting the mutant gene.

The fact that spider and pastel are both some sort of dominant type mutation just means that the hets are not normal looking. It's the heterozygous part that is important for figuring out the 50/50 ratio, just like with het albino X normal.

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While that is true Randy, it still doesn't chnge the fact that the original question was is her snake Het for spider, or the answer that no it isn't... While it is a beautiful snake, it isn't a spider. You said yourself that no one has proven out a Super form of the spider mutation, so stating that a spider is in fact a Het, is pure speculation on your part and doesn't do much in the way of answering her question, wouldn't you agree? ;)

Totally off topic but ..... I like fried chicken! :banana: :neener: :D :headbang: :lmao: :clap:

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Totally off topic but ..... I like fried chicken! :banana: :neener: :D :headbang: :lmao: :clap:

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Ohhh so do I! Maybe I will make that for dinner tonight instead of bacon and eggs....hmm.

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Ohhh so do I! Maybe I will make that for dinner tonight instead of bacon and eggs....hmm.

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I'll bring the mashed pa-taters!! ;)

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I'll bring the mashed pa-taters!! ;)

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Ohhh yum!

Now I am gettin hungry!

Hey I'm comin toooo! :hungry:

Can I have a steak..... preferably one with some sort of het for tender marker?

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While that is true Randy, it still doesn't chnge the fact that the original question was is her snake Het for spider, or the answer that no it isn't... While it is a beautiful snake, it isn't a spider. You said yourself that no one has proven out a Super form of the spider mutation, so stating that a spider is in fact a Het, is pure speculation on your part and doesn't do much in the way of answering her question, wouldn't you agree? ;)

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I thought Ginevive already knew that she didn't have a het spider.

[QUOTE=Ginevive]Thanks. I of course, do not really think she is het spider. ;)QUOTE]

I was just correcting your saying that there is no such thing as a het for spider. The visible spiders are heterozygous for the spider gene. Hopefully I’m not offending you with this correction. I was glad that Wendy corrected my misuse of the term “marker” and am still hoping to hear back if I’m not quite using “mutant gene” right.

I'm wondering if you aren't thinking that "het" means half way to something else by bring up the super spider. For those who want to avoid confusion remember that heterozygous just means having an unmatched pair of alleles for whatever gene you are talking about. In recessive the hets are normal looking but that doesn't mean that all hets have to be normal looking. In co-dominants the hets are half way to the homozygous super phenotype but that doesn't mean that all hets have to be half way to a super. If a completely dominant morph is eventually proven (maybe spider or even pinstripe) then the hets will look just like the homozygous mutants. You will have 33% chance possible homozygous from het X het breedings. By understanding that heterozygous means having an unmatched pair of genes you don't have to change the definition of "het" for every mutation type. The evidence that a spider is a het is that it tends to produce 50% spiders when bred to a normal. By having two different versions of the gene at the spider locus it is like flipping a coin with every offspring to see which version it will get.

I firmly believe that everyone is capable of understanding the meaning of “heterozygous” so I keep repeating it in the hopes of finding a better way of explaining it. I believe the understanding of genotypes is critical for avoiding confusion as we get into more and more complex crosses.

[QUOTE=RandyRemington]I thought Ginevive already knew that she didn't have a het spider.

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Thanks. I of course, do not really think she is het spider. ;)QUOTE]

I was just correcting your saying that there is no such thing as a het for spider. The visible spiders are heterozygous for the spider gene. Hopefully I’m not offending you with this correction. I was glad that Wendy corrected my misuse of the term “marker” and am still hoping to hear back if I’m not quite using “mutant gene” right.

I'm wondering if you aren't thinking that "het" means half way to something else by bring up the super spider. For those who want to avoid confusion remember that heterozygous just means having an unmatched pair of alleles for whatever gene you are talking about. In recessive the hets are normal looking but that doesn't mean that all hets have to be normal looking. In co-dominants the hets are half way to the homozygous super phenotype but that doesn't mean that all hets have to be half way to a super. If a completely dominant morph is eventually proven (maybe spider or even pinstripe) then the hets will look just like the homozygous mutants. You will have 33% chance possible homozygous from het X het breedings. By understanding that heterozygous means having an unmatched pair of genes you don't have to change the definition of "het" for every mutation type. The evidence that a spider is a het is that it tends to produce 50% spiders when bred to a normal. By having two different versions of the gene at the spider locus it is like flipping a coin with every offspring to see which version it will get.

I firmly believe that everyone is capable of understanding the meaning of “heterozygous” so I keep repeating it in the hopes of finding a better way of explaining it. I believe the understanding of genotypes is critical for avoiding confusion as we get into more and more complex crosses.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH....Again!!!

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I'll bring the mashed pa-taters!! ;)

-adam

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OOOOOH!!! I'll bring the risin' rolls & sweet tea!!!!

K~

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OOOOOH!!! I'll bring the risin' rolls & sweet tea!!!!

K~

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Sweet tea?!?!?! Kara, you have fine taste in beverages, and here I thought you were a yankee!! You are welcome to my dinner table anytime!

Errr okay I explained to the Americans what Timmies is...now what in heck is "sweet tea"....I'm assuming some sort of iced tea but sweeter????

Will it make Kara cry if I mention I can't make a biscuit to save my soul and use those tube whomp em biscuits deals? I did learn how to make sausage gravy though as even I realize sausage gravy in the can is probably a poor dietary choice (btw...I'm Canadian...gravy is supposed to be BROWN and served with the Sunday roast of beef....you Americans are just freakin wierd! LOL)


~~Jo~~

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Sweet tea?!?!?! Kara, you have fine taste in beverages, and here I thought you were a yankee!! You are welcome to my dinner table anytime!

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LOL Wendy!!! I'm from TX and my folks now live in Tennessee. I am not, nor will I EVER be, a Yankee. :bleh: Which by the way, Yanks don't understand the word "unsweet" - they always go adding a "ened" to it. Tea is either sweet or unsweet...get it right folks. ;)

K~