When is enough, enough? One more addition?

I am contemplating getting "one more snake."

I feel I am getting close to or at my limit, but still want another one.

I am ambivalent.

My local reptile shop owner/breeder, had a litter of Western Hognose snakes.

There is a male I have my eye on, and I admit, even have a name picked out. He's a red phase, so nothing crazy, but he's adorable and friendly.

He's already had about ten meals and is about 7G. He's happily eating F/T small pinkies 2X weekly.

I would put him in a 21"X12"X12" that is escape proof and acrylic and that I already have (with thermostat and heating elements also).

I would either put him in my office to keep me company (I work from home), or would put him downstairs, where the other reptiles are, but separate in the reptile area. Yes, he would be quarantined.

Here's my dilemma.

I have 8 reptiles in 7 tanks currently. I have a full 5 level Boaphile tank setup and it's perfect. I have a bunch of cool critters, and frankly, really couldn't ask for better reptiles.

Yet, this guy interests me.

My question is, when does it stop? I had already cut myself off after Solana, and Katie was on board with that.

Part of me feels that if I scratch this itch, there will be another, and another, and another, and I can't scratch all of them. I can't have every species and every cool critter I see.

My time and health are limited and right now, I really enjoy this hobby; it's not a job and I like that. Also, for those who read my posts, I am very passionate about this hobby and my animals. It's important that I continue to be and don't burn myself out, which is inevitable if I keep collecting.

I feel like I am betraying myself and, to a some extent, Katie, if I get another animal. For what's worth, Katie met him today and held him. I am in no way being secretive about this.

However, I still want him. If I choose to go that route, I will be devoted to him, just like my other animals (canine and reptilian). I don't know how to go 50% with animals. I give the best care or I don't take on the animal.

I am writing out loud here, but would be interested in feedback from others.

When did you know it was enough? How do you stop scratching the itch? Maybe you can't?

Ultimately, this is my decision and Katie's decision, but any feedback is welcomed.

I love this community and appreciate any and all opinions.

I’ve had fewer snakes than I have now (currently 12), and I’ve had up to 42 at one time. When I had 42, I had a lot more free time than I do now...my job at that time was much less stressful or demanding. I had to significantly downsize when I went through some life changes and could no longer care for my pets like they needed, financially or time-wise. The first to go were my breeding projects (Colombian redtails, Cuban boas, and corns). I slowly worked down to those I just couldn’t bear to part with (10 at that time). There are a few animals that I truly regret giving up...and that has been over 17 years ago.

These days I’m looking for a balance between what I can afford to cage, heat, feed, and care for properly without it seeming like a chore. I don’t handle all of them frequently...some would be happy if I left them alone entirely, others seem to enjoy handling more. Usually I handle during cage cleaning or when I’m changing their water though I do pull some out randomly between feedings. There’s a couple more animals I’d like to get, particularly a couple of bp morphs and another Cuban boa, but I wouldn’t add many more or it would become a chore just to feed and clean cages. I’m getting to a point where I have a bit more “me” time after work, but am aware that the poop can hit the fan at any time, so am planning accordingly.

This year I added 4 bp’s...two planned (pied and BEL), one a total impulse (lemonblast), and one that I got a second shot at after I thought she’d previously sold (dragonfly). All of my other snakes I’ve had for years, most of them over 15 years, except one corn and my albino ball, both less than 5 years old. I think I will always see different animals and think, “that would be cool to add to my collection”. Shoot, I found a beautiful corn on CL tonight that is tempting, only to later read about the same corn on this site. Decisions, decisions. ;)

I've been there too D. I think I've found my happy place now. My "itches" hit after snakes 2, 4, 7, and 8. Snakes 1 and 2 were kings then I wanted something bigger. Snakes 3 and 4 were bulls then I fell for carpets. After rehoming the kings and adding 5 carpets I had to have the Olive. I was stuck on 8 snakes for about 2 years and really thought I was maxed out. Then we moved into a house with more room. I was supposed to get 2 final snakes for a total of 10 which is a perfect number of completion. Things got mixed up and I couldn't find the snake I wanted most, a scrub python. My 2nd choice, the Argentine boa, was taking longer than expected, and in my impatience I bought a BI but was still verbally committed to the BO. I figured that was a wrap and I'd have my 10 critters. While I'm waiting for the BO to get a few more meals in at the breeders before she's ready to ship out to me one night my little voice says check back with Dan Mulleary at DM Exotics. I'd almost bought a scrub from him a while back but passed. It was too hot to ship at the time and I was still on the fence and torn between a scrub and SD retic. He was also heading to an expo and figured the scrub would sell there. As fate would have it when I called Dan the Scrub was still available. I didn't hesitate for a second and told him to put a bow on that one. In the end I thought I came out ahead. I ended up with one more snake than I'd planned for but I still came in under budget from what I was prepared to spend on one BHP. I've since realized that's not really the case once I factor in the additional cages I'll need. I felt a sense of finality and closure after my 3 latest additions. Now I'm looking forward to enclosure upgrades and just watching them grow. I don't even want anymore critters even though every day I see more critters that I want :). I've found the perfect place of contentment and serenity in the hobby. I'm in my zen zone.
Ultimately you're a smart guy and a great keeper. You know exactly how much you can and want to take on. If you see something you really love and you know there's still room for one more then go for it. At least you're only talking about a hoggie and not a burm or retic so space and food aren't a major factor. When your collection is truly complete you'll feel it. At least I did. For now. That could change. JK. I think. :)

News flash: for many of us, that itch never stops, as long as you're breathing & able to see a beautiful reptile that you could possibly maybe take home. :D

We don't all have the same ability (time, money, energy, space) to care for lots of animals, so the actual number is an individual thing, but it helps to remind
ourselves now & then what it looks like when someone gets in over their heads and burns-out. It's not fair to the animals, and sometimes life isn't fair to us
either...heath issues can intervene with no warning, for example, making even a modest number of pets "too many". And time itself can change things.

I think we all need to do a little "soul-searching" every now & then...when you love animals, there's always another one that needs rescued or bought. As with
all things unique, it's easy to give in to the impulse-buys ("this is a chance of a lifetime! I can't pass this up")...it's not only pets but most other collectibles etc.

Maybe keeping a list on hand of all the negatives to getting yet another one would help...but sometimes the best thing is to just wait a while, a few days or so,
to see if you really can't live without it. (You probably can.) "Negatives" include feeling guilty for not spending more time with "XYZ"...;) One way to talk
yourself OUT of something is to really imagine its flaws. ("I'm pretty sure it's inbred & has mites...")

But it's all up to you, & I look forward to pictures of your new little one...:rofl:

Thank you guys.

My biggest fear is that I take on too much and then do not honor and care for my existing animals properly.

Not sure if this is the straw that would break the camel's back, but I don't ever want to get there.

I also tend to collect things. Ask Katie/SunshineWalker about her storage closet that is now liquor closet for my 17 year and counting collection of fine whiskeys. Or the person tall chest humidor that I age my 700+ cigars in.

I do not want to do this with reptiles. As stated, I really do enjoy them and want to care for them properly and give them the time and energy necessary so they have wonderful lives.

Again, writing out loud, but I don't want to feed that same acquisition mentality with my pets. I am not sure if that's what this is, or as we have all discussed, just a love for reptiles that's hard to slow down or stop.

Food for thought.

For what's worth, I met this little guy a week ago and have been thinking hard on it. I also have been reading as much as I can on Western Hognose snakes to learn what I can and maybe find a reason not to get him :).

I really appreciate everyone's feedback and please, keep it coming. I am taking it all to heart.

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Originally Posted by dakski

....For what's worth, I met this little guy a week ago and have been thinking hard on it. I also have been reading as much as I can on
Western Hognose snakes to learn what I can and maybe find a reason not to get him :)....

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I've never used it specifically for this purpose, but I can vouch for the fact that guided imagery* works really well...so practice "seeing him" with flaws (& btw, the
males typically go off-feed in winter...you can put that 'hassle' on your list). (*years ago I was part of a study that used a guided imagery cd prior to a surgery to
reduce bleeding, pain & other complications- it seriously worked well, with just listening several times prior) By now it wouldn't surprise me if there's even a cd
available to reduce the impulse to "collect things", as I know there's been cd's (available for years) to lose weight, quit smoking, reduce stress, fight depression, etc.

Downside to being on this Forum is now dakski will get to hear my 2 cents, and you guys will get to hear from me my opinion. ;)

When dakski first moved in, the tanks took up a considerable amount of the basement. I was happy to have him there, but very overwhelmed. Almost immediately he started in about getting a scaleless corn, which quickly turned into a Boa. I was NOT on board for Behira. Firstly, in addition to the 3 gecko's, skink and 2 snakes we already had... we have 5 dogs. Luckily they all get along, but I did NOT want to have 12 animals.

Dakski wore me down, and I do have some regrets on caving for Behira at times because she can be very food aggressive, and I did not have in my head a realistic understanding of how large she would be. However, one of the compromises was that we could get the boaphile tanks, and that this would ABSOLUTELY be the last animal that he would even bring into the house and he would not even ask me again. I also understood that he had made a lot of sacrifices for me in moving to my home v.s. us moving to his home which was substantially larger.

Come forward now to a few months ago... he confessed that he was still having feelings for a scaleless corn. He showed me Solana and reported that even though all the reptile tanks are full, he could split one to make 2 enclosures. Solana was very special, and I could tell that right away. I don't have any regrets in us getting her.

Then, I got Ezzy for a variety of reasons Mostly because she is super cute, and doesn't eat bugs. I'd also never seen anything like her. On another note, I got Ezzy because my dogs are 10, 10, 10, 8 and 6, but the youngest is a large dog and likely to have a shorter lifespan. It would be nice to have another animal that has a longer lifespan that will be with me when the dogs are no longer. As it goes, the dogs will likely start passing around about the time I hit 40... and that's gonna be sad for me. Ezzy will be a pet I can keep into my 70s should I be blessed that she live that long.

The thing is, the hognose is reallllly cute. I like the name that Dakski has picked out, and he is a very sweet animal. However, I do have some nerves about the fact that he would be animal number 15. I also worry about Dakski's health because god forbid something were to happen to him, I honestly don't know that I could care for all of the reptiles on my own. I never want to put an animal into a bad situation, so that would be very difficult for me. We have 5 dogs because I commited to all of my dogs to care for them for their entire lives. I also understand that Dakski would want to have a little reptile-y to keep in his office.

And...

have you seen the noses on those things... they are seriously the cutest...

So advise us reptile friends... it seems like it is not uncommon for reptile people to have many many animals... so am I getting caught up on a number?

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Downside to being on this Forum is now dakski will get to hear my 2 cents, and you guys will get to hear from me my opinion. ;)

When dakski first moved in, the tanks took up a considerable amount of the basement. I was happy to have him there, but very overwhelmed. Almost immediately he started in about getting a scaleless corn, which quickly turned into a Boa. I was NOT on board for Behira. Firstly, in addition to the 3 gecko's, skink and 2 snakes we already had... we have 5 dogs. Luckily they all get along, but I did NOT want to have 12 animals.

Dakski wore me down, and I do have some regrets on caving for Behira at times because she can be very food aggressive, and I did not have in my head a realistic understanding of how large she would be. However, one of the compromises was that we could get the boaphile tanks, and that this would ABSOLUTELY be the last animal that he would even bring into the house and he would not even ask me again. I also understood that he had made a lot of sacrifices for me in moving to my home v.s. us moving to his home which was substantially larger.

Come forward now to a few months ago... he confessed that he was still having feelings for a scaleless corn. He showed me Solana and reported that even though all the reptile tanks are full, he could split one to make 2 enclosures. Solana was very special, and I could tell that right away. I don't have any regrets in us getting her.

Then, I got Ezzy for a variety of reasons Mostly because she is super cute, and doesn't eat bugs. I'd also never seen anything like her. On another note, I got Ezzy because my dogs are 10, 10, 10, 8 and 6, but the youngest is a large dog and likely to have a shorter lifespan. It would be nice to have another animal that has a longer lifespan that will be with me when the dogs are no longer. As it goes, the dogs will likely start passing around about the time I hit 40... and that's gonna be sad for me. Ezzy will be a pet I can keep into my 70s should I be blessed that she live that long.

The thing is, the hognose is reallllly cute. I like the name that Dakski has picked out, and he is a very sweet animal. However, I do have some nerves about the fact that he would be animal number 15. I also worry about Dakski's health because god forbid something were to happen to him, I honestly don't know that I could care for all of the reptiles on my own. I never want to put an animal into a bad situation, so that would be very difficult for me. We have 5 dogs because I commited to all of my dogs to care for them for their entire lives. I also understand that Dakski would want to have a little reptile-y to keep in his office.

And...

have you seen the noses on those things... they are seriously the cutest...

So advise us reptile friends... it seems like it is not uncommon for reptile people to have many many animals... so am I getting caught up on a number?

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Short and sweet ... YES!!!!

Numbers Schmumbers....

dude did a killer job w that nice clean office too!!!

you both are talking so sweetly about this hoggie... GO GET HIM... tomorrow! Lol
...or a bull snake or king snake or GTP... or indigo... get them all. A cute smaller sized tortoise would be fun too!!!!

If it will make you feel any better, I have 16 snakes and that is a low number for me...I had WAAAAAYYYY more than this for many wonderful but tiring
years. None of us knows what's around the corner in life, but if it makes you smile & it's legal, how bad can it be? :D Those sad unfortunate souls that
have never kept reptiles may look at you 'sideways' when you tell them how many pets you have, but reptiles are nowhere NEAR as "needy" as dogs & cats,
the pets that most people automatically try to compare them to. No one gets excited if someone has 100 tropical fish, now do they? And yes, I've seen
those cute little turned-up noses...you're both "toast"! :rofl:

Whatever number of snakes with the individual snakes that make you happy and your life stress-free imo!

Everyone's number is different. I don't think I personally want to go above 8-9 total, and I never have gone above 9-10 at one time even though I've owned, I think 13 in total at different times. I want to devote my other monthly spending and time to my dog, other hobbies that make me happy, and for work.

I'm sure for some people, having a couple snakes with pleasant personalities is the most rewarding. Maybe the snakes are high-maintenance or grow large. Some people would rather collect a larger number of color morphs of the same species, but smaller and lower maintenance, and find that rewarding. I've found so far that I'd like to keep a variety of species and experience their interesting and/or personable temperament and intelligence, and that's most rewarding to me. It's all on you!

I'll try to keep my two cents short and sweet:

Go for it. Hognose are fantastic little snakes. He would make an awesome little addition to your office. If he's already got 10+ meals in him, F/T unscented, he falls into the well-established category. Plus he's already handling well by the sounds of things.

In all seriousness, Dave, I have the utmost respect and admiration for you. I would be willing to bet your animals are some of the best cared for on the forum, or anywhere for that matter. You (with Katie's feelings considered) are the only one who knows your limit. But hognose are really easy (in my experience with Cosmo anyway), take up little space, require tiny meals (very little cost or freezer space) and are just plain cool little snakes unlike any other species I know. And come on, those faces are just too cute!! Don't even get me started on how cute they are when acting "tough" and hooding and hissing, hahahaha!!

I honestly don't feel like adding a hognose will push you over the edge. But I do think it may "scratch the itch".

As long as you and Katie are in agreement, I say go for it!! I think you'll both really enjoy that fun little personality that only a hognose has.

Just stopping by. I don't have an addiction. I had snakes when younger and got out of the hobby for many years. Last year I started with 1 BP. Soon I had 2. Then 3. Well now I have 2 BPs, 1 corn, 1 king, 1 RTB, 3 retics if you count Aurora who I am still making payments on (not addicted at all, :rofl::rofl::rofl:) and for the time being a Savannah Monitor. If you add the 2 dogs that makes 11 animals in total. All housed and fed really well. I think I am at my limit. Sure it is hard to see hog noses and carpets and GTPs and bloods and and and and and and..... and not say "I think just 1 more will be ok?" But considering I AM NOT ADDICTED I will stop and let some of my animals grow up and enjoy them for a few years. Oh and don't forget Tegus.... those guys are awesome. But I AM NOT ADDICTED.

Oh who am I kidding. LOL.

So what name you have picked out for your new pet?

As Nike said... just do it. :D

There is a limit. I have a problem with all kinds of time consuming things. Cleaning my vehicles, equiptment and Snake enclosures, Rats etc..it causes “Looks” from my Kids and Wife. The thing about Life is we are suppose to have balance... I have some problems with that myself hahahaha. I think you know the correct answer or you wouldn’t question this :)


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I think you can have as many as you can fully care for. When it becomes a job and not a hobby you probably have too many. If you can take care of the hoggy and still feel stress free I say go for it! :)

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I think you can have as many as you can fully care for. When it becomes a job and not a hobby you probably have too many. If you can take care of the hoggy and still feel stress free I say go for it! :)

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So true ..

I got up to 24 snakes ... Kings / Royals : Burms / Boas / Retic etc and it was just starting to get tooooo much ..

I'm down to 14 now and I'm enjoying them so much more ..

I will try hand get down to 8 or 9 eventually and start handling a few again


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Just to touch on something totally different here.

I came real close to getting a Hognose myself. However I decided not to because I have an autoimmune disorder. I break out in giant hives. Sometimes my lips and tongue swell up. If it gets worse my airway will close. I’ve been to way too many doctors to find out why. They can’t figure it out. At one time I was taking 13 medications a day just to control it.

Even though Hognose bites seem to be uncommon, they are considered mildly rear fanged/mouth venomous. Some people get a little redness, some have painful swelling. I’m not willing to chance it since something is off with my immune system.

I bring all of this up because I remember you saying things about your kidney surgery and medication compromising your immune system?

Also, I don’t know if the Venom stays local or goes through the bloodstream to your kidney which may or may not be involved in metabolizing or be affected by the venom?

I’m not a doctor, just thinking out loud and giving you points to ponder and look into.

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Just to touch on something totally different here.

I came real close to getting a Hognose myself. However I decided not to because I have an autoimmune disorder. I break out in giant hives. Sometimes my lips and tongue swell up. If it gets worse my airway will close. I’ve been to way too many doctors to find out why. They can’t figure it out. At one time I was taking 13 medications a day just to control it.

Even though Hognose bites seem to be uncommon, they are considered mildly rear fanged/mouth venomous. Some people get a little redness, some have painful swelling. I’m not willing to chance it since something is off with my immune system.

I bring all of this up because I remember you saying things about your kidney surgery and medication compromising your immune system?

Also, I don’t know if the Venom stays local or goes through the bloodstream to your kidney which may or may not be involved in metabolizing or be affected by the venom?

I’m not a doctor, just thinking out loud and giving you points to ponder and look into.

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THAT is the BEST reason yet to re-consider adding a hognose snake to the family, way to go Reinz for catching that. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Reinz

Just to touch on something totally different here.

I came real close to getting a Hognose myself. However I decided not to because I have an autoimmune disorder. I break out in giant hives. Sometimes my lips and tongue swell up. If it gets worse my airway will close. I’ve been to way too many doctors to find out why. They can’t figure it out. At one time I was taking 13 medications a day just to control it.

Even though Hognose bites seem to be uncommon, they are considered mildly rear fanged/mouth venomous. Some people get a little redness, some have painful swelling. I’m not willing to chance it since something is off with my immune system.

I bring all of this up because I remember you saying things about your kidney surgery and medication compromising your immune system?

Also, I don’t know if the Venom stays local or goes through the bloodstream to your kidney which may or may not be involved in metabolizing or be affected by the venom?

I’m not a doctor, just thinking out loud and giving you points to ponder and look into.

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Great points everyone.

Still unsure what I am going to do, but I wanted to say how much I greatly appreciate everyone's feedback.

I also appreciate those who recognize that I want to, and do my best to, create a great environment/home for all my animals. Craig - Special shout out to you brother. Much respect.

I tend to agree with the idea that a hognose will not push me over the limit and cause me to be burdened by the hobby. I think it's manageable, but also agree, I am getting towards the point of diminishing returns. I don't think I can realistically add much more, or any more, than him right now (if I decide to go that way).

I also wanted to address the issue above that Reinz brought up about the venom.

I am immune suppressed. This keeps my body from rejecting the donated kidney.

What that generally means is that I have weaker responses to allergens, etc. In other words, after transplant, my hay fever went away, as did 99% of my other seasonal allergies. I do not have enough of an immune system to cause an allergic reaction.

I've also heard that if you are allergic to bee stings, etc. that you can have a stronger response to a hognose bite, should that happen (I understand it's very rare unless hand feeding).

I have no idea how that all plays into this. The doctors have repeatedly told me not to keep any reptiles, or clean up after my dogs, etc. They don't understand and cannot quantify the risk, so they just say NO! I've been keeping reptiles for years, and for 6 1/2 years since my kidney transplant. I have yet to get sick from one of my reptiles. My point here is that they will have zero idea what to say about a hognose bite.

This article explains the venom/toxic saliva from a hognose and also says no one has ever died from a hognose bite: https://www.timsreptiles.co.za/colub...nakes-venomous

For what's it's worth, one of my favorite books as a kid was Charolette's Web. The livestock pig in the story is named, "Wilbur." So, if I get this little HOGnose, his name will be Wilbur.

Just personally, I would "error on the side of caution" if I were you...you can still SEE & ADMIRE hognose snakes, but there are SO many awesome snakes to
keep, why not choose one that carries no extra risks? Just because no one has ever died from a hognose bite does NOT mean that's been 'tested' with anyone
who is immune-suppressed. Sometimes the doctors just don't know what events can be set off.

Most doctors aren't that "into" reptiles & caution against them for the salmonella risks (posed mostly by turtles, not snakes). I'm pretty sure their answer to you
keeping even a "mildly-venomous" snake would be "please don't", and on this, for your sake (& Katie's & your family's sake) I would agree.

It's up to you of course...this thread started out as a mission to talk you out of adding yet another snake, I think we've done our part, LOL!

I've had two bp's and one corn, though I only have the two bp's now. The corn was my first, then a bp a year after. Last year I lost my juvenile corn to a latent infection I didn't catch in time, and it was hard. I didn't know if I could get another snake again, and focused on Pixel. Earlier this year I noticed a young bp in the store I bought my f/t feeders from, and watched him for several weeks. Something about him seemed "right," and I talked to the staff about him, his history and health, and I brought him home last month. I know I want one last bp, but I'm putting that on hold until I feel I have my husbandry and balance for my two snakes down to a second-nature.
The most important thing is being honest with yourself and the other people involved with this decision, and it seems you have been. You're both in harmony with this choice, so it's yours to freely make or not make. The fact that you worry so much about being the best pet parent you can be means you already are. Whatever you choose, I think you're making the right choice.

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Just personally, I would "error on the side of caution" if I were you...you can still SEE & ADMIRE hognose snakes, but there are SO many awesome snakes to
keep, why not choose one that carries no extra risks? Just because no one has ever died from a hognose bite does NOT mean that's been 'tested' with anyone
who is immune-suppressed. Sometimes the doctors just don't know what events can be set off.

Most doctors aren't that "into" reptiles & caution against them for the salmonella risks (posed mostly by turtles, not snakes). I'm pretty sure their answer to you
keeping even a "mildly-venomous" snake would be "please don't", and on this, for your sake (& Katie's & your family's sake) I would agree.

It's up to you of course...this thread started out as a mission to talk you out of adding yet another snake, I think we've done our part, LOL!

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I appreciate this Bogertophis. I know you are coming from a good place and it means a lot.

I am also considering a smaller milk snake; I know a fairly local breeder with some killer animals. That was originally my first choice, but a small, cute, little hoggie seemed to fit the bill pretty well.

I may still do nothing.

You guys have got me worried about the hognose saliva though. Last thing I need is another complication even if the risk is incredibly low.

Ahhhh, decisions, decisions.

I have become buddies with Don Soderberg, from South Mountain Reptiles, and Solana's breeder. He has experience with hognose snakes and milk snakes.

He said to absolutely stay away from a hognose being immune suppressed. He loves hoggies, but says they are not for me and, "I urge you to get over that URGE."

So, Wilbur is out. Sad, but it's a small sacrifice for being alive and able to enjoy my wonderful family; Katie, 5 wonderful dogs, and 9 wonderful reptiles.

Don also pointed out that I am spoiled by awesome tempered critters when it comes to snakes. Behira (BCI) has the best personality and aside from a ravage food response, is a total puppy dog. I have Shayna, the Albino Spider BP that I always wanted (an albino BP), and two awesome, but totally different looking, and personality wise, corn snakes. Both are sweeties, but I am convinced that Figment has ADHD. Solana is part Boa, I believe.

He said I will probably be disappointed in a milk snake from a temperament standpoint, aside from the big ones which he loves, the Costa Rican Milk Snake, AKA Black Milk Snake. I've heard mixed things on here as well, and although a hognose would be a great pet, it's now out.

Don's bred numerous different species, although he's a corn expert, and has yet to steer me wrong. His information usually checks out pretty good.

Any other ideas? LOL! Another corn???????

Should I just enjoy what I have?

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I have become buddies with Don Soderberg, from South Mountain Reptiles, and Solana's breeder. He has experience with hognose snakes and milk snakes.

He said to absolutely stay away from a hognose being immune suppressed. He loves hoggies, but says they are not for me and, "I urge you to get over that URGE."

So, Wilbur is out. Sad, but it's a small sacrifice for being alive and able to enjoy my wonderful family; Katie, 5 wonderful dogs, and 9 wonderful reptiles.

Don also pointed out that I am spoiled by awesome tempered critters when it comes to snakes. Behira (BCI) has the best personality and aside from a ravage food response, is a total puppy dog. I have Shayna, the Albino Spider BP that I always wanted (an albino BP), and two awesome, but totally different looking, and personality wise, corn snakes. Both are sweeties, but I am convinced that Figment has ADHD. Solana is part Boa, I believe.

He said I will probably be disappointed in a milk snake from a temperament standpoint, aside from the big ones which he loves, the Costa Rican Milk Snake, AKA Black Milk Snake. I've heard mixed things on here as well, and although a hognose would be a great pet, it's now out.

Don's bred numerous different species, although he's a corn expert, and has yet to steer me wrong. His information usually checks out pretty good.

Any other ideas? LOL! Another corn???????

Should I just enjoy what I have?

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Enjoy what you have.

But... my cal king has an awesome personality and is super fun :D

Hey there dakski! I dont know if you remember not to long ago I posted a thread talking about being "cut off" by my sufficient other in regards to getting any new snakes. Well...that didnt last to long and recently added 2 new
snakes to my collection. Anyways, to comment on your question if you should get another snake, I would say if you have the room and you can take care of everyone equally then why not! You are passionate about your reptiles like the majority of us here and so adding a hognose snake would be a win win!

Hognose snakes are full character and very chill for the most part. I love my little guy to pieces because he stands out apart from the others I have. Just make sure he is started off well with eating his mice. So what ever you decide, please keep us posted of your decision. But i promise you that there will be no regrets getting one of these cuties if you go in that direction. :peace:

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I have become buddies with Don Soderberg, from South Mountain Reptiles, and Solana's breeder. He has experience with hognose snakes and milk snakes.

He said to absolutely stay away from a hognose being immune suppressed. He loves hoggies, but says they are not for me and, "I urge you to get over that URGE."

So, Wilbur is out. Sad, but it's a small sacrifice for being alive and able to enjoy my wonderful family; Katie, 5 wonderful dogs, and 9 wonderful reptiles.

Don also pointed out that I am spoiled by awesome tempered critters when it comes to snakes. Behira (BCI) has the best personality and aside from a ravage food response, is a total puppy dog. I have Shayna, the Albino Spider BP that I always wanted (an albino BP), and two awesome, but totally different looking, and personality wise, corn snakes. Both are sweeties, but I am convinced that Figment has ADHD. Solana is part Boa, I believe.

He said I will probably be disappointed in a milk snake from a temperament standpoint, aside from the big ones which he loves, the Costa Rican Milk Snake, AKA Black Milk Snake. I've heard mixed things on here as well, and although a hognose would be a great pet, it's now out.

Don's bred numerous different species, although he's a corn expert, and has yet to steer me wrong. His information usually checks out pretty good.

Any other ideas? LOL! Another corn???????

Should I just enjoy what I have?

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I'm SO glad that you got Don's opinion on keeping a hognose snake. I've kept them before (also a black & yellow giant Madagascar hognose) with never a bite, but
YOU don't want to chance that...it's just not worth it. I agree about milk snakes too...they're so pretty but not very personable- they're very nervous snakes that are
seldom great to interact with. (It all depends on what a person wants, of course. I'm like you, I like snakes to interact with.)

I know what snakes appeal to me but half the fun of getting a new snake is in the research. That's if you still want to add one. And there's nothing wrong with even
another corn snake...personally, I'd get an Abbotts. :D

Dakski, I’m glad that you dug a little deeper into the Hognose and relieved at your decision.

Best of luck searching for the next snake! :)

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As much as I think you'd love a hognose, your health obviously needs to come first. Good call, Dave.

This thread has shown me that I still have work to do and the struggle is real. The last few days I've been seriously thinking that a couple of king snakes wouldn't require much space or coin at all. What is wrong with me? :rolleye2:

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This thread has shown me that I still have work to do and the struggle is real. The last few days I've been seriously thinking that a couple of king snakes wouldn't require much space or coin at all. What is wrong with me? :rolleye2:

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:rofl: oh Ziggy, hahahahaha. But hey, if you add a King it'll bring your critter collection full circle...just saying ;)

Whatever you choose to do, I wish you luck! And if you do add another slither you better be posting pictures :D

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:rofl: oh Ziggy, hahahahaha. But hey, if you add a King it'll bring your critter collection full circle...just saying ;)

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The problem is I couldn't just add a king. My OCD with balance and numbers would compel me to get a pair. If I get a pair I'll have 13 critters which is a cool prime number. My GF and I were talking about me doing some educational events and I was saying I'd need some smaller snakes to display since some people may not be comfortable handling some of my larger critters. She was pretty cool with the idea of me getting two kings or other small snakes. I don't think she cares about me adding more critters now that we're in a bigger place. IF I do I'd wait til the beginning of next year and hopefully find a pair of juveniles or adults. No more baby snakes for me.

I can't believe I'm trying to talk myself 'into /out of' this. Slow down Ziggy. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Nor does it mean you shouldn't. Either way we'll be ok. :)

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The problem is I couldn't just add a king. My OCD with balance and numbers would compel me to get a pair. If I get a pair I'll have 13 critters which is a cool prime number. My GF and I were talking about me doing some educational events and I was saying I'd need some smaller snakes to display since some people may not be comfortable handling some of my larger critters. She was pretty cool with the idea of me getting two kings or other small snakes. I don't think she cares about me adding more critters now that we're in a bigger place. IF I do I'd wait til the beginning of next year and hopefully find a pair of juveniles or adults. No more baby snakes for me.

I can't believe I'm trying to talk myself 'into /out of' this. Slow down Ziggy. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Nor does it mean you shouldn't. Either way we'll be ok. :)

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"With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility."

Thanks for the perfect timing and words of wisdom D. You hit the nail on the head. I love the word responsibility. While it wouldn't be reckless of me to get more snakes I would be me giving in to my base impulses again. I told myself I would show more self control in this and other areas of my life. Temptations are ever present but we must stay the course. I'm happy with what I have and would only be adding more to feed an endless obsession. Seriously, thanks again.

We all have different limits based on significant other (for some), space time and most importantly ability to care for all the animals properly without loosing passion of feeling like it's a burden.

As someone who breed my limit is around 60/65 animals in my collection (not counting those that are produced during breeding season) when I retire from breeding in 10 to 15 years I will have something like 10 snakes and 2 geckos.

Lotta good points made here. My vote is no just wait since you’re on the fence don’t get one until you’re 100% sure it sounds like you are not

If you have the all the prerequisites (space, time, money, energy, commitment, etc.) there's no reason not to add another. That's my opinion. That being said, I am reaching my limit and may taper back some to focus on species I really want. I have had poor luck with my emerald tree boas, and so I want to taper back and really focus in on them.

UPDATE:

I want to be clear about where I stand now.

1. I am not getting a hognose because of health concerns should I get bitten.

2. I am still considering another snake. Somewhat jonesing actually. This thread convinced me that I can handle "one more."

I was considering a dwarf boa, but have heard mixed things on temperament and that they don't necessarily share their attitude with their puppy dog cousins, BCI's.

I have my eye on an Irian Jaya Carpet python.

Any thoughts on IJ Carpets? She is two and is calm and handleable and eats F/T like clockwork.

Here's the thing, a hognose would have meant using an existing small tank and putting it next to my desk in my office.

An IJ, although smaller carpets and max out about 6FT for the females, would still need a 4X2 tank. That means getting another tank and finding somewhere to put it.

It's not the cost that's catching me up, it's the disruption. The reptile area is full and I could make room down there, but not sure how wise that is. I have the same problem in my office now - finding a place for the tank.

Is that a sign that I should stop anyway?

Just throwing it out there.

I talk to the IJ's breeder today to get some more info.

Any thoughts on them would be helpful.

Thank you everyone for your thoughtful posts and anything you can add now.

Yes...lack of space IS a very good "sign" that you should stop. Believe me, I sooo understand...I've been very creative about
finding space for my snakes, especially in previous years when I had way more than I do now (& also a much larger house).

Okay, final update on this thread.

I am possibly getting another snake. I will explain more below, but don't want to jinx things. Katie likes him, but hasn't given the go ahead yet and was sick today (fever). So I haven't been pushing and am nursing her instead.

The tank I would need ultimately, will fit in the reptile area, on the opposite wall where I have some movable storage bin/racks that can go next to the large Boaphile tower.

The animal I am interested in is on a hold by the breeder until tomorrow evening when I should get back to him.

I am happy to hear everyone's viewpoint here; either a go ahead/Mazel Tov, or a NO!

I know that realistically I can't get every animal I could ever want. My house would be full of tanks. My time would be even more limited, if I had free time at all!

However, I've given it much thought and I do not think one more will destroy the hobby for me. Not sure how many more times I will be able to say that, if any. However, I found a very special animal that I've never owned and I am excited for.

Frankly, the only snake left on my bucket list, is a 1/2 Dwarf Burmese, but that only happens if the Lacey act is lifted, and even then, it's a good chance it doesn't. I don't trust either the Federal Government not to bring it back, or something similar, or Connecticut, where I live, to do something stupid either, even if they do lift it.

I would never risk taking on an animal that I might have to get rid of, or worse, have to destroy.

Anyway, I digressed.

I originally thought Hognose because of their unique look, personality, and I could keep in a small tank in my office.

My major hold up with another animal was the added commitment of course, but more importantly, where to put a tank. I've solved that pretty well and am comfortable with the small change to the reptile area.

How did I get here?

First, I saw the hognose and was really keen to it. Then I thought about, with much help from people on this forum, the risk of their saliva/venom and how I would react being a kidney transplant recipient and immune suppressed. That become a quick no go.

However, I'd thought about it and had become excited about the prospect of another reptile in the collection. I realized that one more would not break the camel's back and having a unique species that I had never had before would be fun and challenging.

So, secondly, I researched many different species.

I was potentially interested in a dwarf boa species, but a quick email to Vin Russo, who breeds a lot of them, and that was quickly put to rest. Apparently, many of the dwarf species do not share their personality with their cousins, BCI's. I was told not to expect a sweetheart like Behira, but the opposite in most cases.

Temperament and eating F/T are my two biggest requirements. So those were out.

Next, I looked at milk snakes. I found a breeder with killer smaller milks, but I can't shake their general nervousness. Also, not a huge challenge given I have two corns already, who I might add, are as sweet as can be.

Then, on Phillydubs recommendation, I looked at Solomon Island tree boas. Small snake, incredibly docile, and a huge color assortment to pick from. I talked to the main seller of them in the US, DM Exotics, and unfortunately they are all imported and also eat live prey.

I didn't want to take the risk of disease with imported animals, and the breeder didn't want to offer F/T for a few meals to see if they would take it anyway. He has buyers apparently and I understand him not wanting to waste his time. Unique and cool animal, but ruled out.

So, I was thinking about something that didn't need a huge tank, didn't get huge (Behira is enough big snake for me), was a good eater, friendly, personable (for a snake), and liked the idea of an arboreal/display snake as well.

I had read about the Irian Jaya Carpet pythons and saw one I particularly liked and contacted the breeder. Apparently, she is very docile, eats like a champ, and is gorgeous. He asked what I was looking to do with the animal and I said "pet only." He asked if he could send me some pictures of a few other smaller carpet pythons that were less investment grade price, as she is a genetic powerhouse, and I said sure.

Katie/SunshineWalker and I looked at the pictures, and really liked one male he sent over. He's a cross between an Irian Jaya and a Darwin Carpet Python. He will max out 6-6.5FT like a female IJ and I have been told repeatedly that I can comfortably keep him in a 3X2X1.5' arboreal cage for life. Jeff Ronne at Boaphile makes arboreal cages now as well and can have a 2+" PVC bar running across the tank from side to side. I would go that route as I love his cages (all my others are his) and his customer service. He'd also have it to me in 7 weeks or less and in the meantime can keep the little guy (22 inches and a 2017 baby) in a small enclosure I have until that comes.

This little guy is apparently super friendly, has yet to get defensive, and isn't even cage defensive. He's one that the breeder can reach in and pick up with his hands. I would probably hook train anyway, given his adult size, but the more docile the better.

I'll post pictures if we decide to go that route.

Any thoughts are welcomed and I appreciate everyone letting me work things out in my mind on the forum.

I'll keep everyone in the loop!

Reminds me of the old song by the Lovin' Spoonful..."did you ever have to make up your mind? Say yes to one & leave the other behind...it's not often easy
& not often kind, did you ever have to finally decide?" :rofl: Of course, that song is about girls, not snakes, but either way it can be a tough call...I'm especially
glad you've reconsidered the hognose snake. It's a process of elimination but there's SO many awesome kinds of snakes, just not worth taking a chance when
you don't have to.

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Reminds me of the old song by the Lovin' Spoonful..."did you ever have to make up your mind? Say yes to one & leave the other behind...it's not often easy
& not often kind, did you ever have to finally decide?" :rofl: Of course, that song is about girls, not snakes, but either way it can be a tough call...I'm especially
glad you've reconsidered the hognose snake. It's a process of elimination but there's SO many awesome kinds of snakes, just not worth taking a chance when
you don't have to.

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Well, luckily for me and Katie, I am a one woman guy, period. My family has a history of cheats and abusers and I broke the cycle. I just found the best woman in the world for me and my mind never wanders. Simple.

I wish it was that easy with snakes!

Getting back to snakes, what do you think of a small carpet python? He's stunning I should add!

No hoggies for me, thanks to you and reinz, and Don Soderberg, that went out the window fast!

I really appreciate you all looking out for me!

I've never kept a carpet python, so you'll have to ask others who have. They're beautiful snakes, for sure.

Here's a link to some of MY temptations- (not that you need more, lol...)
http://www.sunshineserpents.com/Capt...20Template.htm

So, as someone who is pretty new to this forum and reptile keeping I must say that I had to reign myself in, being 19 and of course having a job a 19-year-old typically gets in my area (Retail/Fast food, apprenticeship if you get lucky).
I was getting ahead of myself, in fact, I even broke my financial Breakpoint(A point I set in which could cover a said number of emergencies for either Me, current pets, or even a good portion of a hospital bill paid cash.)

The latest addition of which I have mentioned in some other posts was an albino python who would be a stunner if his old stuck shed would release(need bigger prey which is on the way).
set me back a significant number which was my wake up call, that and the lack of space the enclosure is in such a snug fit right now I can't even put a finger between it and my wall O.O.

This post and everyone's feedback to dakski is a very good way to..Hmm How do I put it? Enlighten my self and others about thinking about your limits more.

It was also nice to see how everyone is such a tight-knit group here and seems to know everyone else lol.



As for the itch, I don't think its gone away more like I applied some anti-itch cream and its just waiting...for those crested gecko's I think I have been researching too much... hehe.

Though I don't know if I should call it an itch or more like the initial excitement of owning an entirely knew type of pet my house is a rather interesting mix of a Military Macau, 2 dogs(A black lab and a mutt) and, my 2 ball pythons Regina and Regi.

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I was potentially interested in a dwarf boa species, but a quick email to Vin Russo, who breeds a lot of them, and that was quickly put to rest. Apparently, many of the dwarf species do not share their personality with their cousins, BCI's. I was told not to expect a sweetheart like Behira, but the opposite in most cases.

Temperament and eating F/T are my two biggest requirements. So those were out.

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As an FYI I keep Tarahumaras, which are the smallest of the dwarf localities. Mine were nippy as babies but as adults they are just as mellow and easy to handle as my other boas.

If you simply want a pet ask the breeders for a chill male neonate.

D- A carpet would make an awesome addition to your collection. Carpets are my favorite snakes to keep. There's just something about them. The IJ x Darwin shouldn't get too big but you may want to plan for a 4ft long cage as opposed to a 3 footer even though I will admit they don't use a lot of floor space. Only one of my carpets really roams his enclosure. They're usually on a perch or shelf. There are lots of cool snakes out there but you really can't go wrong with a carpet.