Surinames and Peruvians

Hi I am trying to decide between a Suriname or Peruvian BCC.

I want one that is light/bright colored and with not much speckling. I have noticed that some BCCs are really nice but some are dark. Is it best to just buy an adult? Because I don’t really care for the dark ones.

Do all BCC darken as they age? I know my BCI has light and dark phases but he’s a VPI T+ albino so even his dark phases aren’t dark at all.

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Also I noticed that my BCI has an almost white head. Are most boas heads lighter than their body color? I have only seen a few that match their body color.


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Suriname all the way between the 2. I personally like Suris and Guyana more than Peruvians. Peruvians tail are almost no where near as red as the others.


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I dont know, that Peruvian on the left is pretty freakin hot with those pinched saddles. I want one with thin saddles like the left but with the really light golden brown of the right side. Seen a few really nice ones from Udo Wagner but he isnt selling haha. The search continues for that perfect Peruvian....once i recoup funds from the OSHY Biak red neo GTP i got coming lol.

And you can look at pics of Gina. She is from August 2016 and when she is in her light phase, she is pretty light in color.

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I dont know, that Peruvian on the left is pretty freakin hot with those pinched saddles. I want one with thin saddles like the left but with the really light golden brown of the right side. Seen a few really nice ones from Udo Wagner but he isnt selling haha. The search continues for that perfect Peruvian....once i recoup funds from the OSHY Biak red neo GTP i got coming lol.

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I’ve never personally seen a Peruvian I just gotta have. Guyana, Suriname, and others are always a go in my opinion.


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Well Guyanans and Surinames look the same to me personally. I have seen surinames with the so called purple of guyanans and i have seen guyanans with the pink sides of surinames. I know some people say there is a difference but i guess I'm not pro enough to tell. I mean honestly the only thing really separating them is a political border and suriname used to be the french guyanas lol.

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Well Guyanans and Surinames look the same to me personally. I have seen surinames with the so called purple of guyanans and i have seen guyanans with the pink sides of surinames. I know some people say there is a difference but i guess I'm not pro enough to tell. I mean honestly the only thing really separating them is a political border and suriname used to be the french guyanas lol.

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This is true but there are some hot Guyana’s out there as well. I had the opportunity to get a pair of Peruvians at 250 each about 2 weeks ago and I passed, I was more interested in his Columbia jungle babies. Guess it’s what they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We all like what we like.


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These are big snakes,
If you want a good example price will tell you a lot about how it will turn out $500-1200 will get you a nice Suri or Guyana.


About the head coloring and seeing pictures on the web and in person always leave me the feeling the pictures don't capture the whole image.

What would be the outcome if you bred a suri to an iquitos Peruvian?

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What would be the outcome if you bred a suri to an iquitos Peruvian?

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A mutt that wouldnt be bought except as a pet to someone who didnt care. Any purist wouldmt touch it. Heck most purists blow a gasket if you cross breed BCI and BCC like a suriname to a sunglow BCI to get a little more red 'pop' out of the sunglow. Although i forgot who it was, was a well known BCI breeder, who bred surinames into his sunglows and they were really pretty.

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A mutt that wouldnt be bought except as a pet to someone who didnt care. Any purist wouldmt touch it. Heck most purists blow a gasket if you cross breed BCI and BCC like a suriname to a sunglow BCI to get a little more red 'pop' out of the sunglow. Although i forgot who it was, was a well known BCI breeder, who bred surinames into his sunglows and they were really pretty.

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Could not have said it better myself. Well done


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I'm aware it's frowned upon, etc just seems like someone would've tried just about every combo by now and would sell (attempt) them as 50/50's. In some morphs the bcc is very clear.

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I'm aware it's frowned upon, etc just seems like someone would've tried just about every combo by now and would sell (attempt) them as 50/50's. In some morphs the bcc is very clear.

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Probably has been tried but not going to be popular. Most people who would specifically look for something like an Iquitos or Pucallpa Peruvian BCC are going to be looking for a pure blood animal or an import with CITES paperwork. The same would apply to people looking for Brazilian BCC as well as something like a Venezualan BCC. They arent a common boa and imo crossing one would be a waste as you basically just 'destroyed' the offspring. And boas only breed every few years unless you are just trying to power breed them.

Thats why some people who want locality animals will only buy from certain breeders known to keep their stock pure like Christopher Wolf and Vin Russo. And those animals tend to be on the pricier side. Vin Russo had a litter of Peruvians back in August but i snoozed and most likely missed out. Think Chris Wolf is going to be pairing his Peruvians up this year so maybe i might get one of his next year.

For example. here is Gina who is a Pokigron Suriname i got from Chris Wolf who got the parents straight from Gus Rentfro in 2006.
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That's a very nice, clean girl right there. Ive seen you post pics before. Im getting a Suri shipped 2nd week of oct. The mother is WC and father 1/2 WC other 1/2
Russo mega peak. I had a bci waaay back in the day before i knew what i was doing.

People crossed localities before, it's general boa genetics - some look more like mom and some like dad and some a mix. I remember it was done a few times in the late 90s. There's also still plenty of BI x BC crosses out there (the 'fire' boas, roswell laddertail boas, shoot I know there are more but I cannot recall all the lines now. I believe it was found out the patternless harlequins were a result of BIxBC. There are some lines suspected but the breeder won't admit it but the offspring of their 'new morph!' have that look).

A peru boa tends to be high yellow with thinner saddles and a darker tail. Suri/guyana tend to be pink/purple with bigger peaked saddles and red tail. Why would you want to mix those? What would be the goal? I'd expect to get duller animals with darker tails and less peaks. yuck.

As Sauzo said though, there's no real benefit for it and you generally end up with less desirable offspring as locality is huge in BC market.

That would be a pretty bad pairing with little positives. Neither compliment the other very well. Seems like any of the"bci" morphs with killer tails have bcc mix written all over.