Firefighters told not to enter???

I just saw this article and thought it was nothing special...until I read the last paragraph.

I can clearly see why there may be apprehension, but should firefighters really be told not to enter??

What are your thoughts? Any firefighters out there care to chime in? I wonder if all EMS workers are told not to enter??

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by craigafrechette

I just saw this article and thought it was nothing special...until I read the last paragraph.

I can clearly see why there may be apprehension, but should firefighters really be told not to enter??

What are your thoughts? Any firefighters out there care to chime in? I wonder if all EMS workers are told not to enter??

---

Where's the article?

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

Ha! Forgot the link!! Thanks....

https://m.economictimes.com/news/int...w/65899968.cms

Sorry bout that

Weird. I can't find any way to further click that section, but I wonder if he is the one that is instating the no enter rule or someone else. The article doesn't actually specify.

It's France so it's hard to say how their government acts and who made the rule about no entry. From a safety standpoint I can understand the no entry rule especially considering the type of animals that might not be properly contained in an emergency situation.

I work in EMS and can tell you that the only thing more important than the patient, is the safety of the first responder. While I don’t see a problem with entering a house with a bunch of pet snakes, I can see where a department would warn against it.

This is going to be me one day. LOL

Forgot to quote, so @Skyrivers...

A firefighter??? Hehehhehe ;)

I wonder what their policy is about entering a residence with barking dogs then however?

Frankly I find a burning building to be far more terrifying than an alligator, but I'm probably in the minority of the general public on that one (maybe not here though lol).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by craigafrechette

Forgot to quote, so @Skyrivers...

A firefighter??? Hehehhehe ;)

---

LOL.... nope. I will be the old man whose house everyone is cautious about entering because of the zoo that lives in it. LOL.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KevinK

I wonder what their policy is about entering a residence with barking dogs then however?

Frankly I find a burning building to be far more terrifying than an alligator, but I'm probably in the minority of the general public on that one (maybe not here though lol).

---

The police would not enter my home when a guy broke in and Zelda my great dane was guarding the house and blocked the crook in the bathroom till I got home and got her. I am happy they waited. She might have guarded the house from the police. LOL. Good girl! I was armed myself as we all entered the house. They looked at me funny walking up with a 45 in hand but I have my permit with me always. She started wagging her tail when she saw me and got her out we they went in. Took his but off to jail and locked him up.

I am sure a fire would have been a different story. Real question is would they have gotten my snakes out?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KevinK

I wonder what their policy is about entering a residence with barking dogs then however?

Frankly I find a burning building to be far more terrifying than an alligator, but I'm probably in the minority of the general public on that one (maybe not here though lol).

---

Years ago I had the cops show up at my house for a noise complaint. They made us lock my roommate's boxer in the bedroom before they would speak with us.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Skyrivers

The police would not enter my home when a guy broke in and Zelda my great dane was guarding the house and blocked the crook in the bathroom till I got home and got her. I am happy they waited. She might have guarded the house from the police. LOL. Good girl! I was armed myself as we all entered the house. They looked at me funny walking up with a 45 in hand but I have my permit with me always. She started wagging her tail when she saw me and got her out we they went in. Took his but off to jail and locked him up.

I am sure a fire would have been a different story. Real question is would they have gotten my snakes out?

---

I'm actually trained as a L.E.O. .......I just know that CC permit or not, you would not be met with just a funny look with a .45 in hand when officers arrive on scene in my respective state and I'm in an extremely firearm friendly area. I think you had some pretty relaxed cops to say the least.

Cool story though.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by craigafrechette

Years ago I had the cops show up at my house for a noise complaint. They made us lock my roommate's boxer in the bedroom before they would speak with us.

---

I know cops always secure potentially angry dogs but I was just curious from the standpoint of being in France and all, I didn't know if it was law to avoid such households and whatnot. Some countries have animal welfare laws that require rescues when possible in the scenario of a fire or other disaster actually....or so I've been told lol.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KevinK

I'm actually trained as a L.E.O. .......I just know that CC permit or not, you would not be met with just a funny look with a .45 in hand when officers arrive on scene in my respective state and I'm in an extremely firearm friendly area. I think you had some pretty relaxed cops to say the least.

Cool story though.

---

The one cop is my neighbor who we have drinks some weekends along with half the rest of the neighborhood. We are close community. The crook was a transient. Both the officers knew me and knew I carried.

Face it, WAY more first-responders (police, fire, etc) are more comfortable with dogs than reptiles, especially where there's KNOWN to be venomous snakes+.

Glad I never had any emergency issues when I lived in the desert: everyone knew what I did & I had signs on entry doors "Rattlesnake on duty" :rolleyes: but also
had 4 big dogs (2 Dobies & 2 shep. mixes) to contend with, & I can't tell you how many news stories I've seen from THIS country where police have shot a dog
that merely barked at them & was unrestrained when they went to arrest the owner or someone else that lived in the house. :tears: I don't blame them for not
wanting to be attacked or killed in the line of duty, but there HAS to be a better way than being trigger-happy...most anyone's PET dog will bark to protect
their house & owner & should never be killed for that. I DO think that in the event of a fire, you cannot really expect fire fighters to run in & rescue venomous
snakes though. I suspect that owner already has agreed to that...but it's more dramatic to end the story the way they did.

Cool article, Craig...looks like an interesting guy to visit, eh?

I think there is more to it, my guess is that they would be under order not to enter until someone gives them the ok, in this case it would be to make sure that all animals that could injure EMT or fire fighters are properly secured and not rooming around (like the alligators in the living room for example)

In France the safety of paramedics and such is important, on an active shooting scene for example they will have to stand being a perimeter until the scene is clear. They need to stay safe and not become a victim themselves. That does not mean they will all obey that order.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bogertophis

Face it, WAY more first-responders (police, fire, etc) are more comfortable with dogs than reptiles, especially where there's KNOWN to be venomous snakes+.

Glad I never had any emergency issues when I lived in the desert: everyone knew what I did & I had signs on entry doors "Rattlesnake on duty" :rolleyes: but also
had 4 big dogs (2 Dobies & 2 shep. mixes) to contend with, & I can't tell you how many news stories I've seen from THIS country where police have shot a dog
that merely barked at them & was unrestrained when they went to arrest the owner or someone else that lived in the house. :tears: I don't blame them for not
wanting to be attacked or killed in the line of duty, but there HAS to be a better way than being trigger-happy...most anyone's PET dog will bark to protect
their house & owner & should never be killed for that. I DO think that in the event of a fire, you cannot really expect fire fighters to run in & rescue venomous
snakes though. I suspect that owner already has agreed to that...but it's more dramatic to end the story the way they did.

Cool article, Craig...looks like an interesting guy to visit, eh?

---

I have been thinking about posting a sign on the door listing the animals present for first responders. Think that would be helpful?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Skyrivers

I have been thinking about posting a sign on the door listing the animals present for first responders. Think that would be helpful?

---

Many people have & use such signs for dogs & cats, but for herps it will probably help you get burglarized...:rolleyes:

The only way I'd do that is on an INSIDE door into snake-room...but that would never work for me, my snakes are always throughout
my residence, even when I kept rattlebrats.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bogertophis

Many people have & use such signs for dogs & cats, but for herps it will probably help you get burglarized...:rolleyes:

The only way I'd do that is on an INSIDE door into snake-room...but that would never work for me, my snakes are always throughout
my residence, even when I kept rattlebrats.

---

I think Zelda would be a good deterrent there. Also the PD is 2 blocks away and the entire community keep an eye out. I am lucky there.

that story seemed to end abruptly. imma re-post it here. is this the whole thing (minus the pix)?

Quote:

---

Frenchman and his 400 scary reptile lodgers

A jungle house
In an unassuming house on France's River Loire, a cobra lives on the coffee table, a 50 kg (110-pound) tortoise roams the garden and a two-metre (seven-foot) alligator sleeps in the owner's bed while another keeps watch at the door.


Father of reptiles
Over two decades, 67-year-old reptile enthusiast Philippe Gillet has amassed a collection of more than 400 phobia-inducing animals, including rattlesnakes, tarantulas and lizards in his home in western France near the city of Nantes.


Meet Ali and Gator
Gillet says the two alligators, named Ali and Gator, were rescued from a leather farm but most of the animals are pets that outstayed their welcome elsewhere and have been abandoned or donated.


The misunderstood species
Gillet thinks it's unfair to treat these animals the way people do because people don't understand them.


"We don't understand them, we hate them, we think they're horrible. But when we get to know them, you can call them over, tell them to come and eat something for example."


Raising awareness legally
Gillet says he has all the necessary permits to keep and transport the animals for roadshows which he runs to raise awareness about reptiles.


Good neighbours
The locals do not mind their unusual neighbours and regularly pop in for coffee, safe in the knowledge that the most dangerous snakes are kept in a room behind two sets of doors.


The 'emergency' issue
However, the local fire department is more cautious. They are under instructions not to enter Gillet's house in an emergency.

---

wow what a place and what a way to live! i hope he's developing plans for an emergency w/ the fire dept and they just won't let him, his animals or house burn.

anyways my friend is a breeder in SoCal and got into hots a few years now. he's also an EMT that works in a fire house. there seems to be no real protocol but they let him peep the scene first if they know or discover reptiles. regardless of species, they secure all animals. he's found a gators, some big Burms and Tics, raccoons, possums, etc. on calls. but he's improved the attitude of his peers towards snakes and reptiles and teaches their rattlesnake bite class.