Carpet Confusion...

I don’t know what she is but I want her...

Any ideas what else may be going on here? This lovely carpet is listed as a jaguar het red. My knowledge of carpet python morphs is limited and she’s with a ball python breeder who has a few various other snakes. She bred carpets way back when and apparently grabbed this girl thinking she may again but hasn’t.

She’s a year and a half so I feel that her colors will hold. Many that researched were yellow or brownish/tan. She is very light and her head stamp is just wild in my opinion.

Any further info or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Absolutely stunning. You need to snatch her up before I do ;)

Definitely has jaguar which only gets better with age, now what it is to keep in mind is the jaguar mutation is similar to the spider mutation in ball python.

The issue can vary from very mild to extreme, obviously something to be aware of.

As for the various carpet out there http://www.moreliapythonradio.com/Mo...a-complex.html

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Originally Posted by ckuhn003

Absolutely stunning. You need to snatch her up before I do ;)

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Hahaha!! As if I needed any more motivation !!

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Definitely has jaguar which only gets better with age, now what it is to keep in mind is the jaguar mutation is similar to the spider mutation in ball python.

The issue can vary from very mild to extreme, obviously something to be aware of.

As for the various carpet out there http://www.moreliapythonradio.com/Mo...a-complex.html

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Thank you so much for this information!

I was actually recently made aware of this. I actually fell in love with jags when I went with daksiki Dave to his local shop a few weeks back. They had a few beauties but they did display visible neuro issues.

Since I was aware of that I asked the owner for video of the snake and if they saw any. She said none at all and sent me three videos of her being held of her crusing her tank a even a feeding video and I saw zero signs of any wobble or issues. She has been extremely nice and helpful and provided all info with proof and answers all questions. So I feel confident she is ok

ive heard that it can still come on with age or other reasons is this true ?

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ive heard that it can still come on with age or other reasons is this true ?

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It's pretty much like spider wobble, temperature, stress etc can make it worse, there was also a good article a few years ago about chemical exposure (mite treatment) making animal with mild neuro issues get a lot worse.

I had a jag for several years and never had any issue with him but I have also seen some train wreck in person.

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It's pretty much like spider wobble, temperature, stress etc can make it worse, there was also a good article a few years ago about chemical exposure (mite treatment) making animal with mild neuro issues get a lot worse.

I had a jag for several years and never had any issue with him but I have also seen some train wreck in person.

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Ok great thank you. I really like her light color. Do you think that’s because she carries a red gene?

Amazing looking carpet. I'd get it if I were you. I've also heard that shipping stress or mite prevention spray could trigger the jag neuro issues.

Nice looking carpet Dubs. Jags are some of the most gorgeous carpets out there. I don't keep them only because of the potential neuro issues but there's no questioning their beauty.

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Originally Posted by 67temp

Amazing looking carpet. I'd get it if I were you. I've also heard that shipping stress or mite prevention spray could trigger the jag neuro issues.

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Ugh... this makes me a tad concerned. I would need to her have shipped. I'd hate for the stress of the ship to cause her issue. She seems rock solid right now... but one never knows when shipping. She is coming from a reputable breeder, although a BP breeder, still a good one so I don't see mites being an issue.

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Nice looking carpet Dubs. Jags are some of the most gorgeous carpets out there. I don't keep them only because of the potential neuro issues but there's no questioning their beauty.

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Thanks bud! I just love the look and as I said was going to stay away myself but had to inquire and when the seller backed it up with multiple videos I could tell there was zero issue. The person who has her has over 200 snakes and has said she has never displayed any neuro issues, so I would think and hope she would know it if she saw it and like I said I saw zero in the videos.

She's beautiful. DO IT!

Most have addressed the neuro issue, but I have heard it can develop over time. That coloring and patterning to me look like a pretty classic jaguar. My buddy has a bunch of jags and jag crosses but all seem to be thriving just fine. As with most things, you take the gamble, but to me, it's worth it if you love it – even if for a shorter period of time than a perfect specimen.

I have a hatchling jagpondro that I will be raising up, so we will see if that has a neuro issue.

Usually, if I love it, am willing raise it for 20+ years, bring it to a vet/spend the money to fight for his/her life - then there is little reason not to get it.

She's gorgeous! And it's a promising sign if there are no obvious neuro issues at this point. :)

Looks like a really nice carpet - that head stamp is great - sorry I was waking up when we texted the other day and didn't have my glasses on yet.

Get yourself a copy of the Nick Mutton/Justin Julander book "The Complete Carpet Python" and keep it as a great reference guide. I would suggest contacting either/both on Facebook and buying it through them - they do not get much of a cut from Amazon or bookstore sales. Both are very responsive and easy to chat with as well.

Speaking of the book - I'm really looking forward to Tinley and meeting most of the breeders I've followed and chatted with through Facebook or YouTube. Should be an awesome trip. I'm bringing my copy of the books (The Complete Boa Constrictor by Vin Russo and Capet book for Justin to sign as Nick signed when I bought it from him) to have them autographed.

The wobble varies. I currently have 8 jags in my collection and have had 4 others in the past. 11 of the 12 had only very mild symptoms. The other, a male DCI/coastal intergrade, had fairly strong symptoms as a hatchling that manifested themselves at all times, not just times of excitement which is frequently reported. He was quite difficult to feed at first as he either couldn’t hit the prey or couldn’t locate it after he constricted it. For the first 2-3 years the meal would normally be offered 4-6 times before being consumed. The snake is now 11 years old and has become efficient at feeding on offering #1. However, at about 4-5 years of age his equilibrium became increasingly poor. The snake is as likely to be spotted upside down as right side up the past few years. None of the other jags in my admittedly small sample have had any noticeable difference in the degree of their symptoms over the years. However, there is enough reported evidence in other collections to show that it may get worse. And sometimes get better. But I think mostly what you get wobble wise as a youngster is what you will get as an adult.

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Most have addressed the neuro issue, but I have heard it can develop over time. That coloring and patterning to me look like a pretty classic jaguar. My buddy has a bunch of jags and jag crosses but all seem to be thriving just fine. As with most things, you take the gamble, but to me, it's worth it if you love it – even if for a shorter period of time than a perfect specimen.

I have a hatchling jagpondro that I will be raising up, so we will see if that has a neuro issue.

Usually, if I love it, am willing raise it for 20+ years, bring it to a vet/spend the money to fight for his/her life - then there is little reason not to get it.

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You think this one looks classic? All that I have seen show them as yellowed a bit or more tan from pics and video she has like a white Chicolate look to my eye. Could be wrong tough.

Thanks a lot guys. I really do appreciate all the input and personal feedback. All very helpful.

I guess only time will tell at this point.

The Jags my buddy has are all pale yellow with aberrant patterns, so they likely have some influence from elsewhere in it. He has one Jag that I was close to purchasing that is very rich in yellow. But, maybe that is a JunglexJag. However, I haven't seen many pure jaguars get that rich yellow that jungles do, in my limited exposure.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong!

The Gamma line jags are really bright yellow.