Carmel albino

I recently got a male carmel albino hatchling, and he definitely has a little head wobble, similar to some spiders I've seen. I'm not overly concerned, but I was wondering if anyone else seen this on this morph?

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Originally Posted by bhsurf4

I recently got a male carmel albino hatchling, and he definitely has a little head wobble, similar to some spiders I've seen. I'm not overly concerned, but I was wondering if anyone else seen this on this morph?

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Hi

Just one of the 'risks' with the spider gene , hopefully it's not too bad ..

I have a Caramel Albino Spider who has zero wobble and he's an amazing feeder as well .https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cfd2317361.png


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My boy doesn't have any spider in him, but he has the wobble similar to spider. Another question I have about this morph has to do with breeding. I've read that breeding homozygous to homozygous Carmel albino is known to produce hatchlings with kinking issues. But I haven't been able to find any info on breeding homozygous Carmel albino (T+)to homozygous T- albino.

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But I haven't been able to find any info on breeding homozygous Carmel albino (T+)to homozygous T- albino.

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There are 2 reasons for that

A/ Caramel Albino are history for the past 8 years or so because of the amount of kinking in the offsprings most everyone has abandoned the project in favor of Ultramel (similar actually looking better and no issues)

B/ Because the pairing you are talking about would create Double Hets, which you would then need to pair to one another for 1/16 chance of producing a Double Recessive, for again a project most people have no interest in since the risk of kinking would occur with any Caramel albino and their combos.

There is no demands for Caramel Albino or Combo therefore there are hardly any supply or people working with them.

Caramels do not typically wobble, it's not a known defect with the gene like spiders or womas.
There could be some other issues that causes wobble, overheating, trama, etc (and is it a constant wobble? wobble when excited/feeding? or just a little head wobble when extending up which can be normal snake movement?)

None of my caramels or caramel combos wobble.

The breeding question was just for my personal knowledge. I'm not a breeder, but I got into ball pythons several months ago, and it seems, like a lot of people, I got addicted! I have a female albino and I just picked up this male Carmel albino. It got me to thinking that if I had the confidence and equipment next year I may possibly be able to produce my own albinos, which in my opinion are absolutely stunning animals. It's a long way off and only a thought, but I was wondering if there would be any issues.

Now I'm a long way off from even considering breeding my snakes. It's gonna take some time for them to get to size, not to mention for me to get the confidence and do the research and get the right equipment. But I have read that breeding caramel albinos together causes some kinking issues with the hatchlings. I was wondering if the same would be true if I bred a male caramel albino to a regular (t-) female. Like I said I'm real early in the research phase, I don't know near enough to attempt breeding them at this time, but I think it would be pretty cool to breed and hatch and raise my own snakes. I also have a 100% het vanilla female and a coral glow pastave male.

No breeding Caramel Albino to Albino will not produce kinks and what you will produce are Normal looking animals het for both genes (not something you will likely be able to sell, selling hets is hard without a rep, double hets even worse and something that contains a gene people are not interested in well you can imagine)

So you will have a bunch of babies that people might take as a normal pet (don't get me wrong normal are a tough sell to even at $20 a piece.

Now if you want to produce a Double Visual which I assume would be the goal of doing the original breeding you will need to breed the double hets together and then will deal with the same probability of kinking issues. <- already mentioned few posts above ;)

Bottom line make sure that your plans make desirable healthy animals especially in such a saturated market when it comes to low end animals.

I listen to Deborah she breeds the most beautiful babes ever:bow: love the banana pinstripe clowns you have for sell so which vital organ will you accept for a trade ;)

So in order to produce a visual albino, I would need to breed my visual albino female to a visual albino male or a male that is 100% het albino? Breeding a visual female albino to a Carmel albino wouldn't produce any visual albino?

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Originally Posted by bhsurf4

So in order to produce a visual albino, I would need to breed my visual albino female to a visual albino male or a male that is 100% het albino? Breeding a visual female albino to a Carmel albino wouldn't produce any visual albino?

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I think it's like blood pythons Carmel albino is T+ and the normal albino people think of is T- so to get a visual albino you have too breed a negative to negotiate or het negative or vice versa the two albino are not compatible..From my understanding same with the Axantic line VIP to VIP or STK to STK hope that helps;)

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Originally Posted by bhsurf4

So in order to produce a visual albino, I would need to breed my visual albino female to a visual albino male or a male that is 100% het albino? Breeding a visual female albino to a Carmel albino wouldn't produce any visual albino?

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Albino, Caramel Albinos, Lavender, Ultramel are all different mutations and all INCOMPATIBLE

So in order to produce a visual Albino you need to do

Het Albino x Het Albino
Albino x Het Albino
Albino x Albino

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Albino, Caramel Albinos, Lavender, Ultramel are all different mutations and all INCOMPATIBLE

So in order to produce a visual Albino you need to do

Het Albino x Het Albino
Albino x Het Albino
Albino x Albino

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Like I said, it was a thought I had that since I love my albino so much that maybe if I got some confidence and some equipment I might give it a go and to try and hatch and raise my own little albino. But I'm a long way off from even considering it and all the info y'all gave me helps considerably. Thank you all for taking the time to educate a dummy like me!

I would recommend you to play around with the genetic calculator on morph market, that will give you an idea on possible outcomes should you decide to breed https://www.morphmarket.com/c/reptil...ic-calculator/, it will be a good start here is also something that will come handy in the future if/when you decide that you are ready http://ballpython.ca/genetics-101/ and http://ballpython.ca/breeding/

Well now I guess I have an excuse to buy another snake. Always wanted a black pastel albino!! Plus I've wanted to get an animal from Royal Constrictor (Garrick) and he just so happens to have a male hatchling!