My latest addition..

Bought this male from a young lady, she called him "Sundance". He's from a T+ Albino x Cherry Bomb mating. He's all attitude, hence the water splashed on the paper. But hopefully, he will produce some pretty babies..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...216adde40f.jpg

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Very nice indeed. :gj: (P.S. Are we related? :rofl:)

He is quite the looker, what an awesome pick up:gj: congratulations hopefully he'll clam down a little once he settles into his new home..

Thanks for the kind words...He's 3 yrs old this month, and she said he ALWAYS had an attitude...so he may or may not calm down. My 2 females are dog tame, so if produce anything, maybe the babies won't be too bad...lol. I keep native venomous, so used to things trying to bite...lol

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One of my breeder females...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2893581d0e.jpg

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Originally Posted by Transpecos

...she said he ALWAYS had an attitude...so he may or may not calm down. My 2 females are dog tame, so if produce anything, maybe the babies won't be too bad...lol. I keep native venomous, so used to things trying to bite...lol....

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For some reason it always seems to be the really pretty ones (that we can't resist) that have such attitudes, lol...I guess they know they can get away with it?
Maybe the females will calm him down...looks like they'll make really pretty babies too.

Thanks for the kind words...Yeah, I hope to get some babies, and hopefully, they will have the temperament of the females...fingers crossed..lol

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Well at least they have a good chance of taking after the females...:please:

I have heard with reticulated pythons the babies more follow suite with the mother's temperament and size maybe same with bloods both are magnificent looking animals really looking forward to seeing their wee babes, best wishes always..:gj:

It's harder to tell, because these are wild animals that we EXPECT to be feisty, and also because a significant number of owners PREFER them that way, but I have
to say that snakes are getting the genes of both parents and if we really want to produce snakes with better temperaments then all breeders should be selected not
merely for looks, but for their temperament as well....just as is done for dogs & other pets. The bigger question that raises though is whether we want to change
our snakes (over time, gradually) into "domestic" pets? Or do we love these things BECAUSE we figure they'd survive in the wild & could replace the loss of wild
species in the event they disappeared? Let's face it, that's a real possibility for many if not most species given the rate of human population, habitat loss & pollution.

I know that when I bred rosy boas (known for being sweet little pets) years ago, I got very different results from my mature & once-wild* female, depending on who
her spouse was. (*she was unwanted & given to me by a nature museum after refusing to eat & being problematic there for years.) Both of her mates were wild
rescues likewise turned over to me: one was much mellower than the other though, & while all her offspring were strong feeders that did well, those produced from
the union of one male were noticeably more feisty...to the extent they were biting each other & needed separated (& even FED, PRE-shed) at a day or two old, LOL!
I took gleeful satisfaction in their survival instincts, & I had no trouble providing feeding records of 10+ feedings for those I didn't keep. And I must admit that to me,
there's nothing sadder than wimpy babies that appear clueless about eating & survival. I once had a litter of Mexican rosy boas like that that were obviously inbred-
I'd gotten the parents from one source who had "assured" me they weren't related...:rolleyes: (I never bred them again & even re-homed the adults.)

So I guess I come down on the side of keeping the "wild" in our snakes, like the old story...."Well you KNEW it was a :snake2: when you picked it up..."
That doesn't mean I don't enjoy taming, handling & relating to all my snakes...I guess I just want there to be some challenge?

Honestly, although I'm sure we all prefer our charges to have "perfect" temperaments, I honestly try to breed for health and size, above everything else. I don't breed runts or difficult feeders. Course, if get lucky on genetics, and get an unexpected morph, color or pattern, it's just a bonus...Like I read one time, " you can take the animal out of the wild, but not the wild out of the animal." So in closing, I had rather have some that were somewhat ill tempered, with size and optimum health, than some that were extremely docile, but lacked health and vitality...Hope this makes sense..Thanks for all input...

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You really can take the wild out of the animal though...but it takes a while.
Optimum health & vigor, yesssss! :gj:

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You really can take the wild out of the animal though...but it takes a while.

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Wild animals will ALWAYS be wild animals no matter how tame they might be at times.

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Wild animals will ALWAYS be wild animals no matter how tame they might be at times.

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Where do you think dogs came from?

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Where do you think dogs came from?

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I'm not sure about the history of dog domestication but are you saying all wild animals are capable of domestication like dogs are? Can we therefore domesticate lions, tigers, sharks, or cobras? Do you know anyone with a pet gorilla, raccoon or badger? I'm not saying we can't have some level of peaceful interaction with some of these animals but I don't believe most wild animals are meant to be domesticated. Humans have captured, kept, and raised many animal species in captivity for centuries and not totally removed their wild nature and instincts nor should we. They were Born to be Wild and we should respect that.

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I'm not sure about the history of dog domestication but are you saying all wild animals are capable of domestication like dogs are? Can we therefore domesticate lions, tigers, sharks, or cobras? Do you know anyone with a pet gorilla, raccoon or badger? I'm not saying we can't have some level of peaceful interaction with some of these animals but I don't believe most wild animals are meant to be domesticated. Humans have captured, kept, and raised many animal species in captivity for centuries and not totally removed their wild nature and instincts nor should we. They were Born to be Wild and we should respect that.

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I was referring to selective breeding over time that results in a domestic version...and we agree, wild animals SHOULD remain wild...I think you misunderstood me or
I wasn't clear enough? But domestication doesn't always take as long as we used to think (according to some studies I've read). Personally I prefer that wild remains
wild, with just enough examples of "peaceful interaction" to promote the conservation of the species as a whole, without changing its essential nature.

And I know you responded to post #12 but I'm not sure you read post #10?

My bad Bo. I didn't mean to sound argumentative. I don't think we're in total disagreement :). It's mostly semantics. I don't believe we can/should "domesticate" most wild animals through selective breeding or any other process. I would love it if we could learn to live in harmony with them though. I think we agree that we can sometimes tame them without taking away their wildness.

OP- my apologies for derailing your thread. You have some gorgeous animals and I wish you the best with your breeding project.

No worries, I respect everyone's right to their opinion. Best regards to all...

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