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Mojave and ?

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  • 07-26-2018, 05:07 PM
    D1C
    Mojave and ?
    I've got a Female Mojave Yellowbelly that had a Clutch with what I Thought was a Mojave(what I was told when I bought it).

    Thread
    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...613-1st-Clutch!

    After looking at the hatchlings, I'm not so sure that the Mojave is just a Mojave and it's making it difficult to identify the babies so I thought I'd ask the Experts

    The B.E.L tells me the father does have Mojave, the other looks like a Mojave Yellowbelly to me...the other, no clue!
    Any ideas?

    These are the babies post first shed
    http://i65.tinypic.com/156379k.jpg
  • 07-26-2018, 05:43 PM
    JodanOrNoDan
    Get a shot of the belly and the sides of the top right one.
  • 07-26-2018, 07:24 PM
    rlditmars
    Re: Mojave and ?
    Looks like there is Enchi in there.
  • 07-26-2018, 07:56 PM
    D1C
    Re: Mojave and ?
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan View Post
    Get a shot of the belly and the sides of the top right one.
    http://i67.tinypic.com/35n2czo.jpg

    http://i64.tinypic.com/33dhyz5.jpg

    He's pretty wiggly, that's the best shot I got
  • 07-26-2018, 08:03 PM
    D1C
    Re: Mojave and ?
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rlditmars View Post
    Looks like there is Enchi in there.
    I went to our local reptile show showed a few pictures and they mentioned enchi also.
  • 07-26-2018, 08:07 PM
    D1C
    http://i64.tinypic.com/2vsmagh.jpg

    http://i66.tinypic.com/dnldsw.jpg
  • 07-27-2018, 09:57 AM
    JodanOrNoDan
    I'm going to go with yb on that one. I am not a yellowbelly expert yet, but I have made quite a few enchi's. The blushing in your animal has a reddish tint witch says yb to me. An enchi will not be blushed like that. The lighter coloration in an enchi is at the bottom of the alien heads. The belly is also dirtier and the eyes tend to be a dark green.

    Enchi just out of the egg.
    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...0958_small.jpg


    Enchi couple months old
    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...1/img_1079.jpg
  • 07-27-2018, 10:04 AM
    rlditmars
    Re: Mojave and ?
    I can't remark on the BEL since there's no way to know what else is there being an all white snake. However, from the first pic it looks to me like the other two are Enchi YB and Enchi Mojave YB.
  • 07-27-2018, 11:31 AM
    D1C
    Re: Mojave and ?
    That's the one I thought was a MoYB. The mother is one and they look very similar to each other. The one on the left is the one I'm not sure about.
  • 07-27-2018, 12:01 PM
    JodanOrNoDan
    LOL. Confusion.

    Left snake: Mojave/YB
    Right snake: YB
    Bottom: Super Mojave (possible yb) the head is very light even for a newborn. black light may help

    But.. I have been wrong before

    rlditmars what are you seeing that makes you think enchi?
  • 07-27-2018, 12:53 PM
    rlditmars
    Re: Mojave and ?
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan View Post
    rlditmars what are you seeing that makes you think enchi?
    The pattern is way too reduced for that to just be YB including the stomach which doesn't seem to be as checkered as a straight YB should be. In addition, the Mojave is way to blushed and brighter, and again the pattern reduced for a straight YB Mojave. Here is a pic of an Enchi YB I produced a couple years ago. It's also het for Hypo so the head is a bit more blushed and it is a little lighter.

    https://s19.postimg.cc/jpjuu968j/003_2.jpg

    https://s19.postimg.cc/p0yrez00z/003_3.jpg
  • 07-27-2018, 01:04 PM
    JodanOrNoDan
    Re: Mojave and ?
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rlditmars View Post
    The pattern is way too reduced for that to just be YB including the stomach which doesn't seem to be as checkered as a straight YB should be. In addition, the Mojave is way to blushed and brighter, and again the pattern reduced for a straight YB Mojave. Here is a pic of an Enchi YB I produced a couple years ago. It's also het for Hypo so the head is a bit more blushed and it is a little lighter.

    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...968j/003_2.jpg

    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...z00z/003_3.jpg
    Interesting. I can see the enchi in yours. Kind of enchi + reddish blushing. This is my first year messing with yellow belly stuff and I never have owned anything but supers and als in that complex so your info is very helpful. Thank you.

    What color are the eyes? With this combo does it retain the slightly "pixilated" belly scales that you would normally see on an enchi??
  • 07-27-2018, 04:36 PM
    rlditmars
    Re: Mojave and ?
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan View Post
    What color are the eyes? With this combo does it retain the slightly "pixilated" belly scales that you would normally see on an enchi??
    Here are 2 pics I just took. He's about 1,000 grams now. The eyes are pretty typical looking. Also, here is a belly pic

    https://s19.postimg.cc/w4b88j56r/201...25_resized.jpg

    https://s19.postimg.cc/6yaa1qe77/201...39_resized.jpg
  • 07-27-2018, 04:55 PM
    JodanOrNoDan
    Re: Mojave and ?
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rlditmars View Post
    Here are 2 pics I just took. He's about 1,000 grams now. The eyes are pretty typical looking. Also, here is a belly pic

    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...25_resized.jpg

    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...39_resized.jpg
    Thank you. This is going in my notebook.
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