Is this just a normal pastel?

I just hatched this little one. I believe it is just a pastel, thought I would get some other opinions because of the colouring on the sides. Mom was cinnamon, spider and dad was either banana ivory or super pastel lesser vanilla. Any input is appreciated.
-David

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Definitely no pastel. I'd personally say yellow belly but I'm no yb expert

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Here is a picture from above. The fading was making me think pastel
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...17_gallery.jpg

No pastel in this snake

If it helps, pastels have green eyes and blushing on their heads, sort of in a butterfly shape. I'm inclined to agree that this is likely YB, since that will also lighten the colors and cause some fading.

Could it perhaps be a sugar/ calico?[not with those parents though hmmm] Has it shed out for you yet?

Looking just ar the posible parents I'm leaning towards cinabee.

it does kinda look like there's Calico/Sugar but my guess would be that it's a Spider YB.

I wasn't told father had any other genes, hard to tell with the ivory banana though, could be I guess.

It definitely has the spider wobble but I didn't think I saw any spider in it.

Thanks everyone for the input

As per my eyes, that's a cinnabee YB.

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Originally Posted by Mariel

As per my eyes, that's a cinnabee YB.

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No spider in it either

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Originally Posted by Daveb82

I just hatched this little one. I believe it is just a pastel, thought I would get some other opinions because of the colouring on the sides. Mom was cinnamon, spider and dad was either banana ivory or super pastel lesser vanilla. Any input is appreciated.
-David

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...37_gallery.jpg


https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...30_gallery.jpg

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I agree with the Yellow Belly Theory...

I would also go cinna bee YB. Found an a pic of an older example on WoBP:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-yellow-belly/

Note the blushing along the belly line, and imagine it as a bright new hatchling.

Either way, no pastel, but certainly has the cinna bee part.

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Originally Posted by StillBP

No spider in it either

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I disagree. Cinny and spider together can remove a part of the typical spider pattern. Just take a look at the cinnybees at wobp, you can see this animal is similar to those except from the YB flames.

I'm still saying cinnabee YB.

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Originally Posted by Mariel

I disagree. Cinny and spider together can remove a part of the typical spider pattern. Just take a look at the cinnybees at wobp, you can see this animal is similar to those except from the YB flames.

I'm still saying cinnabee YB.

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Im aware of how cinnamon and spider work together. And it may be just my phone ( or my huge drew carry glasses, wife's dog ate my good pair) but I don't see it. Now I have never seen a cinnamon spider yb in person so I would not lay money on it because yb has a tendency to Change colors and patterns wildly. Add to that, that no two are ever the same,
OP is the snake male? Can always hold back and breed to prove spider.

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