Guess this morph!

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It is hard to see the eye, but Super Enchi something?

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

It is hard to see the eye, but Super Enchi something?

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Nope

Is spider in there?


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My first thought was Leopard Pastel, but that’s certainly not a world’s first


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Originally Posted by BPGator

My first thought was Leopard Pastel, but that’s certainly not a world’s first


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4 genes

Acid?
Clown?..
idrk .. im the worse with complexed morphs :P(or anything over 3 genes ugh!):colbert:

BEAUTIFUL ANIMAL!! CONGRATS ON THIS 1!!

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Originally Posted by Ronniex2

Acid?
Clown?..
idrk .. im the worse with complexed morphs :P(or anything over 3 genes ugh!):colbert:

BEAUTIFUL ANIMAL!! CONGRATS ON THIS 1!!

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Nope and nope. And thank you!

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Originally Posted by Brownspidey

Is spider in there?


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Nope

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

4 genes

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Leopard Pastel Enchi and something else


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OD Pastel Enchi Leopard

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Originally Posted by ladywhipple02

OD Pastel Enchi Leopard

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Nope but close

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Originally Posted by BPGator

Leopard Pastel Enchi and something else


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Can’t answer until you give me the 4th gene lol

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Can’t answer until you give me the 4th gene lol

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YB Pastel Leopard Enchi


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Originally Posted by BPGator

YB Pastel Leopard Enchi


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Nope but your also close! Now I’m curious who will guess it first.

This is getting interesting. Once you get beyond three genes, many of the combos end up with almost exactly the same result. This is why I am very skeptical about the claims of a certain large breeder. Unless you are dealing with Supers and in some cases ALS breeding stock you cannot be 100% on what is in it.

YB OD Leopard Enchi??

lol

Desert Ghost, pastel, enchi, leopard?

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Originally Posted by ladywhipple02

YB OD Leopard Enchi??

lol

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Nope

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

Desert Ghost, pastel, enchi, leopard?

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Nope

Is there fire or vanilla in there?

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

4 genes

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Originally Posted by BPGator

Leopard Pastel Enchi and something else

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that's exactly what i was thinking. the head-stamp looks like my Pastel Enchi Leopard girl's.

EDIT: Spark??

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

Is there fire or vanilla in there?

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I need a full answer before I can answer lol. I don’t wanna give it away.

DG, fire, leopard, enchi

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

that's exactly what i was thinking. the head-stamp looks like my Pastel Enchi Leopard girl's.

EDIT: Spark??

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Nope no spark

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

DG, fire, leopard, enchi

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Nope I’ll give you a hint. There’s no desert ghost

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Nope no spark

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Nope I’ll give you a hint. There’s no desert ghost

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Ok, last guess..
Pastel, fire, leopard, enchi???

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

Ok, last guess..
Pastel, fire, leopard, enchi???

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Let me just say your one of the closest guesses yet. I would give more hints but some of you are already extremely close. I wouldn’t stop guessing if I were you.

Pastel fire leopard OD

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Pastel Fire Leopard YB

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Fire Leopard Enchi OD

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Fire Leopard Enchi YB

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Originally Posted by ladywhipple02

Pastel fire leopard OD

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Pastel Fire Leopard YB

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Fire Leopard Enchi OD

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Fire Leopard Enchi YB

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Nope, nope, nope and nope.

I’m thinking Leopard something. It throws me off a bit because of the amount of blushing on its head. Maybe that would help others..though

Pastel Leopard Vanilla Enchi


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Leopard Super Enchi Fire?

EDIT: 4! Yellowbelly?

EDIT: jsyk that's one gosh darn beautiful animal.

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Originally Posted by BPGator

Pastel Leopard Vanilla Enchi


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Yes sir. Pastel enchi vanilla leopard is correct. Someone said vanilla but didn’t add it to the other genes. Tbh I didn’t think you guys would’ve guessed it that quick. I thought the vanilla would throw everyone off, which it seemed to for some lol.

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

Leopard Super Enchi Fire?

EDIT: 4! Yellowbelly?

EDIT: jsyk that's one gosh darn beautiful animal.

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Someone guessed it. Pastel enchi leopard vanilla. And thank you very much I appreciate it!

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Yes sir. Pastel enchi vanilla leopard is correct. Someone said vanilla but didn’t add it to the other genes. Tbh I didn’t think you guys would’ve guessed it that quick. I thought the vanilla would throw everyone off, which it seemed to for some lol.

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The hints helped. The Pastel Enchi and Leopard can be seen but the last gene is hidden to me. I assume you know it’s there from the pairing or by comparing to clutch mates.


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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

Ok, last guess..
Pastel, fire, leopard, enchi???

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You were so close, you even mentioned vanilla.

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

You were so close, you even mentioned vanilla.

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Ah!!! I was on the right track!! Morph ID is far from my strong area, but maybe I'm learning, hahahaha.
I thought I saw vanilla or fire, but guessed fire because it seems more common.
My vanilla boy, Tyson would be ashamed! Hahaha

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Originally Posted by BPGator

The hints helped. The Pastel Enchi and Leopard can be seen but the last gene is hidden to me. I assume you know it’s there from the pairing or by comparing to clutch mates.


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Yes the pairing and opinions from some bigger breeders. The pattern is way cleaner and lighter than any pastel enchi Leo I’ve ever seen.

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

Ah!!! I was on the right track!! Morph ID is far from my strong area, but maybe I'm learning, hahahaha.
I thought I saw vanilla or fire, but guessed fire because it seems more common.
My vanilla boy, Tyson would be ashamed! Hahaha

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Hahaha. At least you were the first to guess vanilla!

This is going to be a dark animal. The leopard is having a bigger effect on the vanilla than I would have expected. Congrats Craig on hitting it. What exactly was the pairing?

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

This is going to be a dark animal. The leopard is having a bigger effect on the vanilla than I would have expected. Congrats Craig on hitting it. What exactly was the pairing?

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Enchi lesser leopard x vanilla scream

congratz! that's a good looking animal. whatchu gonna name the morph?

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

This is getting interesting. Once you get beyond three genes, many of the combos end up with almost exactly the same result. This is why I am very skeptical about the claims of a certain large breeder. Unless you are dealing with Supers and in some cases ALS breeding stock you cannot be 100% on what is in it.

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i agree w/ this.

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Originally Posted by BPGator

Pastel Leopard Vanilla Enchi

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that was gonna be my first guess! ;)

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Yes sir. Pastel enchi vanilla leopard is correct. Someone said vanilla but didn’t add it to the other genes. Tbh I didn’t think you guys would’ve guessed it that quick. I thought the vanilla would throw everyone off, which it seemed to for some lol.

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i think everyone did a pretty good job based off one pix IMO.


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Originally Posted by BPGator

The hints helped. The Pastel Enchi and Leopard can be seen but the last gene is hidden to me. I assume you know it’s there from the pairing or by comparing to clutch mates.

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Yes the pairing and opinions from some bigger breeders. The pattern is way cleaner and lighter than any pastel enchi Leo I’ve ever seen.

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could u post the whole clutch? i would love to see some of the comparisons.

So how is the determination being made that the animal is vanilla and not fire?

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

So how is the determination being made that the animal is vanilla and not fire?

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I sent the photo to a few couple big breeders and they all seem to think vanilla.

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

I sent the photo to a few couple big breeders and they all seem to think vanilla.

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Did they tell you why? I hope you do not think I am giving you a hard time. I am really interested in how they are arriving at that or are they just guessing. I have a nightmare breeding myself this year. I normally avoid these type of breedings because I want to be really sure of what comes out, however the gravel gene is in play so I did a Pastel/Spark/YB x Highway. In theory I could tell them apart but some of the possible combos are very, very close.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

Did they tell you why? I hope you do not think I am giving you a hard time. I am really interested in how they are arriving at that or are they just guessing. I have a nightmare breeding myself this year. I normally avoid these type of breedings because I want to be really sure of what comes out, however the gravel gene is in play so I did a Pastel/Spark/YB x Highway. In theory I could tell them apart but some of the possible combos are very, very close.

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Yeah I agree. Vanilla and fire in one clutch was definitely risky. I’m still asking around and getting more opinions. Do you definitely see vanilla or fire? I definitely see more than pastel enchi and leopard.

Little behind the ball. LOL. with the guessing. LOL

Here’s another look when it was smaller. Better lighting https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5aa905285c.png


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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Yeah I agree. Vanilla and fire in one clutch was definitely risky. I’m still asking around and getting more opinions. Do you definitely see vanilla or fire? I definitely see more than pastel enchi and leopard.

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I am going to say I am not qualified to make the determination. I don't work with the gene, and from the pictures I have seen they look pretty much the same to me until a super or als is produced. That said when I started I couldn't tell a phantom from a mojave now they are night and day, so these guys could be seeing things that I cannot yet.

I primarily work with BEL complex, enchi and lavender. This is my first year doing YB complex. Next will be my first with fire. So I am willing to play the the guessing game, but I cannot give you a definitive on anything other than what I work with and sometimes even those make me wonder with certain combos. I have a few "mystery" snakes myself.

I would guess that they are right, vanilla because the vanilla super is not white and the fire is so i am assuming that vanilla is going to be darker than fire. But... I am not sure how much the leopard darkened things up.

Rechecked and most agree vanilla is present. Obviously can’t be 100% but more than likely has the vanilla gene.

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Originally Posted by highqualityballz

Rechecked and most agree vanilla is present. Obviously can’t be 100% but more than likely has the vanilla gene.

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One parent was Vanilla Scream so it has to have either Fire or Vanilla in it. I’d vote Vanilla too


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