Need help with a rescue pueblan please.

Took a pueblan today from my buy nothing group since she ended her her relationship and moving out.

Anyway...brought him home he weighs 78g, eating fuzzies once a week, and born 2009-10. He looks skinny but not emaciated.

Any tips you can give me would be great!

I changed out the Uv for a red bulb and changed the water dish too. Everything else is as it was so he can settle in before I clean or do anything. He is also on the living room for quarantine. Odyn is in my son's room and boople is in my room.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cc86c04b47.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c4e78ffbe5.jpg

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He does look skinny, or dehydrated-? I wonder if he was without water for a while? Hopefully no mites or internal parasites, I'd have the stool checked soon
if he doesn't plump out with regular nutrition & water. Pueblans are so pretty....squirrelly, but pretty! I'm glad he's in good hands (yours!) now.

She fed him yesterday. So I think I will feed him again wed and give him 2 of the fuzzies then the last on Friday sat, then I will move him to hoppers to get him really going. When she said 2010 I was like oh boy, and fuzzies. I smiled and said help me open my car door (with snakey in my arms)lol. After a few hoppers I'll move him up again. Shouldn't he be on adult mice already?

he did have plenty of water but in a mug. I'm like, nope.

Some snakes can be pretty clueless about drinking from tall water "bowls"...maybe that's part of the problem. Most milk snakes aren't big enough to eat adult
mice...now I'm not there seeing him in person, so I could be wrong, but they have a small mouth. I can't remember ever feeding mine adult mice...just hoppers.
But what I do with specific snakes that have a narrow gape and a long body (ie. plenty of space lengthwise to fill) is give several small mice of appropriate size
as one meal. No kidding, I have a 32" Texas longnose snake (tri-color, very pretty like a milk snake) and his mouth is so narrow, the most he can manage are
fuzzies or small hoppers. I just fed him today, he had 2 pinks & 3 fuzzies. Now he's happy...and btw, he's over 16 years old. They normally eat lizards in the
wild, & I've had w/c rescues in the past, but he's c/b and I've had him since the pet store he was in (as a yearling) couldn't get him to eat & couldn't sell him.

Should I feed him all three fuzzies on Wednesday then?

Congrats on the new addition! Glad he now has a caring home!

On malnourished rescues, while it is overwhelmingly tempting to want to feed them a lot, you should actually go slow in bumping up the size or frequency of feeding. Their systems have gotten used to subsisting on less food than needed, being hit with way more food than they are used to processing all at once can overwhelm their systems and can cause regurges or other issues.

Ok so how do I go slow? One fuzzy every three days? He gets one a week on sat from what she said.

Probably to start with, I'd do one fuzzy every 5 days for 4-5 feedings, make sure that's staying down with no problems and then go to 2 fuzzies every 5 days for 5-6 feedings and then more to 1 hopper if the snake seems otherwise big enough to handle hoppers.

Awesome! I will definitely follow this. Thank you so much.

Should his housing change? Besides a full on clean after he is settled. I will get his uth and jumpstart asap.

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Probably to start with, I'd do one fuzzy every 5 days for 4-5 feedings, make sure that's staying down with no problems and then go to 2 fuzzies every 5 days for 5-6 feedings and then more to 1 hopper if the snake seems otherwise big enough to handle hoppers.

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That sounds right to me too, I agree you shouldn't rush the food...and you might also wait to feed him until he defecates also, if you want to be really sure
he's ready for more. But fuzzies are very digestible, usually 5 days is good, & they'll help him put some weight on. (hoppers are bigger but less digestible,
with more hair...)

No rush to do this now, but when you get a chance, let us know how long he is? (the better to estimate what he can & should eat)

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Awesome! I will definitely follow this. Thank you so much.

Should his housing change? Besides a full on clean after he is settled. I will get his uth and jumpstart asap.

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These snakes like to burrow...they also enjoy cardboard tubes & such to hide in. Since his cage has changed location, he might feel better with more privacy.

I completely agree with Charis. Don't go too fast, his little body isn't used to it or ready for it.

And am I reading that right??? 78 grams at 16 years old???

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Congrats on the new addition! Glad he now has a caring home!

On malnourished rescues, while it is overwhelmingly tempting to want to feed them a lot, you should actually go slow in bumping up the size or frequency of feeding. Their systems have gotten used to subsisting on less food than needed, being hit with way more food than they are used to processing all at once can overwhelm their systems and can cause regurges or other issues.

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And IF they should happen to have internal parasites (as the reason for being underweight), when you bump up the food all at once it can kill the snake because
the parasites are suddenly having a banquet, & they can plug up vital organs. Sadly, I've seen this happen, though I didn't understand until later what happened.

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I completely agree with Charis. Don't go too fast, his little body isn't used to it or ready for it.

And am I reading that right??? 78 grams at 16 years old???

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I didn't post a weight for MY snake, it's MY snake (a similar type, Texas longnose) that is sweet 16+ years old. You're mixing up our posts, lol...

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I didn't post a weight for MY snake, it's MY snake (a similar type, Texas longnose) that is sweet 16+ years old. You're mixing up our posts, lol...

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Whoops...thanks!!!

Still, 78 grams at 8 years ???

2-2.5 ft. About as round as a bubble tea straw. I can see his spine so I know he needs weight but he is active and very alert. He was following me with his head and quite the tongue flicker. It was almost like he was waiting for food.

Poor little soul...he's really small for being about 8 years old. I'd get his stool checked as soon as you can. Fuzzies are perfect for him for now.

No ctaig he is only 8years old, but yes 78 g. I weighed him first thing. Checked him over for mites and sores if he had any and general over all appearance.

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No ctaig he is only 8years old, but yes 78 g. I weighed him first thing. Checked him over for mites and sores if he had any and general over all appearance.

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Wow, I'm glad he found his way to you. He should fill out well, just don't rush it. Good luck and keep us posted on that little guy!

Yes, do keep us posted...I can't wait to see him in good health. Your "before" & "after" photos will be amazing, I predict.

I hope he gets nice and big like Django!

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Far from am expert, but aren't pueblans one of the smaller milk snake species? 2-2.5 feet is probably a bit small, but if memory serves, their average is 3 or 4 feet.

I know hondurans are a bigger species, and I've got one that's at most 10 months old (didn't find out a hatch date) and over 60 grams. He does take the smallest hoppers out of my bag of them just fine, so after gradually building up the food size, that should definitely be feasible at whatever weight he builds up to in 10 or so meals. (Typically mine gets the 7 or 8 gram hoppers, the bigger ones go to my corn snake who's larger than him).

Here's him from last feeding with an 8 gram hopper.
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Far from am expert, but aren't pueblans one of the smaller milk snake species? 2-2.5 feet is probably a bit small, but if memory serves, their average is 3 or 4 feet...

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Yes, somewhere around 3-4' for adults. And they have a more slender build than a typical king snake.

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Yes, somewhere around 3-4' for adults. And they have a more slender build than a typical king snake.

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This is my understanding as well.

Congrats on your rescue! He/ or she is in good hands now. You are slowing growing your collection Sunny, these snakes are such a addiction!!

So this little man (or chick) is so inquisitive. I talk to him and he is so attentive. He watches me and flicks his tongue. He seems happy. And he is now burrowing and not on top of the aspen like he was all the time. I think he likes the red bulb over the bright uv bulb. I think he is hungry but I can't feed him yet. He is giving me the snakey eyes.

We we are thinking the name Vulcan because my son said something describing metal.

The king snakes are the champion busybodies at our house, but the Hondo is often watching what’s going on, too.

The 445-gram probably-Nelson’s milk snake and the 300-ish gram Mexican king both take small adult mice (based on Big Cheese sizing), and have been for a while, so I expect your Pueblan to be able to take something bigger if he gets some growth.


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No ctaig he is only 8years old, but yes 78 g. I weighed him first thing. Checked him over for mites and sores if he had any and general over all appearance.

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2-2.5 ft. About as round as a bubble tea straw. I can see his spine so I know he needs weight but he is active and very alert. He was following me with his head and quite the tongue flicker. It was almost like he was waiting for food.

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78grams? for an 8yr old?! oh my goodness! that's bb bp weight. a bubble tea straw is like 3/4 to 1 inch thick so u can suck tapioca balls. are u sure your scale is accurate? he can't be 78grams, 2-2.5ft and thick as the average bubble tea straw.

either way, glad he found his way to u.

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78grams? for an 8yr old?! oh my goodness! that's bb bp weight. a bubble tea straw is like 3/4 to 1 inch thick so u can suck tapioca balls. are u sure your scale is accurate? he can't be 78grams, 2-2.5ft and thick as the average bubble tea straw.

either way, glad he found his way to u.

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I don't know.. the weight/size seems feasible to me. The age is really unfortunate to be so small, but the length to weight description sounds accurate.

My corn is close to 1 year old now, and is approx 2.5 feet and 115 grams. The bubble tea straw is not a bad approximation for a milksnake that has less weigh by 30 grams and has some visible spine/not completely round shape. My guy is probably a bit bigger around than the straw, but I don't have bubble tea often, so my memory could be off. I don't remember seeing any all that big tho. 1" sounds huge. I'd have said they were on the 3/4" end. 3/4" sounds about right for my corn at his thickest.

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78grams? for an 8yr old?! oh my goodness! that's bb bp weight. a bubble tea straw is like 3/4 to 1 inch thick so u can suck tapioca balls. are u sure your scale is accurate? he can't be 78grams, 2-2.5ft and thick as the average bubble tea straw.

either way, glad he found his way to u.

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I don't know.. the weight/size seems feasible to me. The age is really unfortunate to be so small, but the length to weight description sounds accurate.

My corn is close to 1 year old now, and is approx 2.5 feet and 115 grams. The bubble tea straw is not a bad approximation for a milksnake that has less weigh by 30 grams and has some visible spine/not completely round shape. My guy is probably a bit bigger around than the straw, but I don't have bubble tea often, so my memory could be off. I don't remember seeing any all that big tho. 1" sounds huge. I'd have said they were on the 3/4" end. 3/4" sounds about right for my corn at his thickest.

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ok i literally just ran out to buy Matcha Milk Tea w/ Tapioca and Egg Pudding:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...m/e2f2kvkl.jpg

my memory deceived me. the straw is only a half-inch (at leas at this shop).

Edit: Tofu my Corn was also just 115grams a few months back. i guess 78grams is plausible. i think the bigger shock is the size at age 8!

I just did some measuring, and my honduran is 73 grams and 26" as of now. Not sure on age, but def less than one year old. Freshly shed. He's growing so fast compared to my corn..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1ecc132bd8.jpg

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I just did some measuring, and my honduran is 73 grams and 26" as of now. Not sure on age, but def less than one year old. Freshly shed. He's growing so fast compared to my corn..https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...1ecc132bd8.jpg

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You sure that's a real snake? Looks like candy...:D

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You sure that's a real snake? Looks like candy...:D

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I know, right?? You wouldn't believe how bright he is after he sheds like that.. that pic was with poor lighting too. We bought him in shed without realizing because we just thought he was bubblegum colored... even more like candy then.

This https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b3d25ba078.jpg

Vs in shed (same room/similar lighting)
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ok i literally just ran out to buy Matcha Milk Tea w/ Tapioca and Egg Pudding:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...m/e2f2kvkl.jpg

my memory deceived me. the straw is only a half-inch (at leas at this shop).

Edit: Tofu my Corn was also just 115grams a few months back. i guess 78grams is plausible. i think the bigger shock is the size at age 8!

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Yep size of a bubble tea straw lol. And his head is out again tonight and when I talked to him he perked up and periscoped for me. He is so damn cute! I just love this little one!

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ok i literally just ran out to buy Matcha Milk Tea w/ Tapioca and Egg Pudding:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...m/e2f2kvkl.jpg
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What in the wild wild world of sports is going on here?!?!
That is a BEVERAGE?!?!?!

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Forget the drink for a second.. is that a high heel tape dispenser behind it? How did I miss that? LOL

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Cause AX has style, yo! Of course he has a high heel tape dispenser! Lol

and yes craig, that is a drink. And a damn delicious one at that!

Glad Ax got his drink, or I was gonna have to join the straw-diameter discussion. [emoji16]

Love the fact that he pops out to see what’s up when you talk to him, busybody snakes are so much fun!


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What in the wild wild world of sports is going on here?!?!
That is a BEVERAGE?!?!?!

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yep and i think your restaurant needs to start serving bubble tea too!

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Forget the drink for a second.. is that a high heel tape dispenser behind it? How did I miss that? LOL

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Cause AX has style, yo! Of course he has a high heel tape dispenser! Lol

and yes craig, that is a drink. And a damn delicious one at that!

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do u think my tape dispenser needs a lil extra something, something? ;)

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Glad Ax got his drink, or I was gonna have to join the straw-diameter discussion. [emoji16]

Love the fact that he pops out to see what’s up when you talk to him, busybody snakes are so much fun!

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i'm actually kinda bummed i killed the discussion. i should be a more drawn out talk or debate lol.

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Forget the drink for a second.. is that a high heel tape dispenser behind it? How did I miss that? LOL

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I noticed that too!!

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Cause AX has style, yo! Of course he has a high heel tape dispenser! Lol

and yes craig, that is a drink. And a damn delicious one at that!

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Dang right Ax has style!! He has enough for him and I combined, which is lucky cause I have none!! Hahahaha!

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yep and i think your restaurant needs to start serving bubble tea too!
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The day that happens, I quit....

You should see the little one right now. He is periscoping waiting for me to feed him. I keep telling him not until Sunday. He doesn't believe me apparently.