Showering buddies

I saw this earlier on another forum and wondered what everyone’s view was ?
Not really the kind of thing you have as a shower buddie, lol
I couldn’t believed someone could be that daft. That lovely anaconda could easily constrict and kill him if he wanted too
https://youtu.be/Lp6TiKMzZRQ


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Originally Posted by richardhind1972

That lovely anaconda could easily constrict and kill him if he wanted too.

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So could any other large constrictor.

Narcissistic

he's not your average joe; i'm pretty sure that is @therealtarzann on insta. very interesting dude.

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

he's not your average joe; i'm pretty sure that is @therealtarzann on insta. very interesting dude.

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It is him, I think that was from one of the live videos he did a while back.

Anything for fame I guess.

Kinda weird to me...

That anaconda is far too large to be safely handled alone, especially under circumstances like that.

I certainly hope here was a person behind the camera, though I suspect there wasn't.

Well, you would think that a snake enthusiast would keep the best interest of this hobby in mind.

As is, the rules/laws for keeping snakes, ESP. large constrictors, are getting more widespread and stricter all the time.

In part to people like this.

If he really just enjoys taking a shower with his snake, well, if it floats his boat.
But this is obv. done for attention and "look at me, I'm so hot/cool/whatever" Let's show the people what we snake people are all about.

When/if it goes wrong and hits the news, it will spawn more laws and reinforce the opinion of the general public that reptile lovers are crazy and also dangerous to themselves as well as others.

"Save water, shower with a pet"? Hmm, that gets a failing grade from me too.

Wouldn't you feel the need to a re-shower after having a snake all over you like that? One thing to have it over your clothes, but if you're just in your boxers I'd feel like I'd want to wash up again.

Don't like videos like these because at the end of the day it's an animal that has no reason to be in a shower with a human being. I just find it disrespectful to the snake.

But you never know maybe he takes really good care of his guys and they enjoy it lol?

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Originally Posted by zina10

Well, you would think that a snake enthusiast would keep the best interest of this hobby in mind.

As is, the rules/laws for keeping snakes, ESP. large constrictors, are getting more widespread and stricter all the time.

In part to people like this.

If he really just enjoys taking a shower with his snake, well, if it floats his boat.
But this is obv. done for attention and "look at me, I'm so hot/cool/whatever" Let's show the people what we snake people are all about.

When/if it goes wrong and hits the news, it will spawn more laws and reinforce the opinion of the general public that reptile lovers are crazy and also dangerous to themselves as well as others.

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I agree, I like his goal of educating the public about animals but I hate how does stuff like bringing Burms to parties and the like. There are better ways of educating and I feel eventually it'll just end up as bad press for the hobby. But you pretty much just said the same thing but far more articulately than I could lol.

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Originally Posted by CottonMouth

Wouldn't you feel the need to a re-shower after having a snake all over you like that? One thing to have it over your clothes, but if you're just in your boxers I'd feel like I'd want to wash up again.

Don't like videos like these because at the end of the day it's an animal that has no reason to be in a shower with a human being. I just find it disrespectful to the snake.

But you never know maybe he takes really good care of his guys and they enjoy it lol?

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My concern would be that I use soap & shampoo when I shower, but it's not meant for snakes. With the water running, I can't say I'd feel un-clean for
touching the snake but no snake should be exposed to our bathing products, & I wouldn't feel clean with just water. The snake didn't really appear to be
enjoying that shower either...it's just a silly thing to do. I don't know anything about the guy in video, but maybe he's trying to show ppl how much he
trusts this snake?

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Originally Posted by zina10

Well, you would think that a snake enthusiast would keep the best interest of this hobby in mind.

As is, the rules/laws for keeping snakes, ESP. large constrictors, are getting more widespread and stricter all the time.

In part to people like this.

If he really just enjoys taking a shower with his snake, well, if it floats his boat.
But this is obv. done for attention and "look at me, I'm so hot/cool/whatever" Let's show the people what we snake people are all about.

When/if it goes wrong and hits the news, it will spawn more laws and reinforce the opinion of the general public that reptile lovers are crazy and also dangerous to themselves as well as others.

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Interesting how everyone is jumping on to therealtatzan here. A very experienced animal keeper and educator.

Brian Barcyzk climbs into a pool to bathe his large snakes and not a peep from anyone. But let this guy do it and all of a sudden he's trying to 'look cool and seek attention'?

Maybe do some research on people within the exotic animal community instead of going with your clearly ingrained prejudice first.

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Originally Posted by Valyrian

Interesting how everyone is jumping on to therealtatzan here. A very experienced animal keeper and educator.

Brian Barcyzk climbs into a pool to bathe his large snakes and not a peep from anyone. But let this guy do it and all of a sudden he's trying to 'look cool and seek attention'?

Maybe do some research on people within the exotic animal community instead of going with your clearly ingrained prejudice first.

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I did look into him after this post and yeah you can definitely tell his love for animals is there, especially Snakes! Actually a very interesting man, and I think a very good asset to the reptile community as he's showing how amazing these animals are and not what they are made up to be in horror movies. He's got a new follower on Instagram now lol. But still doesn't change my view on that particular video, however, I would take this Video all day over all these other videos you see on Youtube of bad owners. I just personally don't like seeing an animal in a situation where it wouldn't be in the wild, almost like a circus (Part of the reason I stopped pet ownership)

I will definitely admit to judging him a bit too quick.

And since no one is posting his IG name correctly, its therealtarzann, his name is Mike Holston

I have mixed feelings on this. It's his pet he can do what he wants with it and i'm sure he knows it well. But if it strangled him or something it doesn't help societies disposition towards reptiles and the owners.

And if he's doing it for fame the video only has like 180 views so its no working lol. Also regardless if its for fame or he just likes to shower with his pet anaconda. Showering with it seems reaaally impractical. But I guess that's a cool story to tell at a bar "one time I showered with an anaconda".

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I have mixed feelings on this. It's his pet he can do what he wants with it and i'm sure he knows it well. But if it strangled him or something it doesn't help societies disposition towards reptiles and the owners.

And if he's doing it for fame the video only has like 180 views so its no working lol. Also regardless if its for fame or he just likes to shower with his pet anaconda. Showering with it seems reaaally impractical. But I guess that's a cool story to tell at a bar "one time I showered with an anaconda".

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Yeah the link didn't help lol, that's what made me kinda judge, it was some random video with no background behind it. The original video on his page has over half a million views and 3000 comments.

Haha, all I can think about is how much I would hate tepid bath water!!

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Originally Posted by CottonMouth

Yeah the link didn't help lol, that's what made me kinda judge, it was some random video with no background behind it. The original video on his page has over half a million views and 3000 comments.

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Yeah I went with what I saw. I honestly felt 180 views seemed wrong some how. But yeah thanks for the correction.

Well, I used to shower/bathe my bcc and she seemed to enjoy it... granted, I wasn't in there with her though... that would just be rude. Lol

But hey, snake looks healthy and if it wanted to get out of the shower bad enough, even a big guy like him wouldn't be able to keep it there, so I'm fine with it.

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Originally Posted by Valyrian

Interesting how everyone is jumping on to therealtatzan here. A very experienced animal keeper and educator.

Brian Barcyzk climbs into a pool to bathe his large snakes and not a peep from anyone. But let this guy do it and all of a sudden he's trying to 'look cool and seek attention'?

Maybe do some research on people within the exotic animal community instead of going with your clearly ingrained prejudice first.

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This thread is about the video posted. Not about what Brian does or doesn't do. Post the video of Brian if you want opinions on that.

Clearly ingrained prejudice? It's called an opinion. And I stand by it.


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Originally Posted by zina10

This thread is about the video posted. Not about what Brian does or doesn't do. Post the video of Brian if you want opinions on that.

Clearly ingrained prejudice? It's called an opinion. And I stand by it.


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By your own words that opinion is based on your perception of the video posted. And it appears your perception has been coloured by a pre-judgement of the person in the video without any research into his background. My opinion is an objective outcome of your pre-judgement of the person in the video hence using the word prejudiced. And I stand by it.

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Hey everybody, look at me!!! I’m showering in my underwear! Not only look at me showering, but look at me showering with one of the largest reptiles on earth wrapped around my neck!! Look at me!

The whole point of "education" is to teach people about the animals and the proper care / handling of them. Part of this is admitting that these can be dangerous creatures and that one needs to take precautions to ensure the safety of the animals and handler.

I didn't see anything about proper handling technique in this video or any useful information presented. IMO, this looks like a video that was done to get attention. Note, I'm saying this based on watching the video, not researching the person. Whether this guy does good work or not, posting something like this is not responsible IMO. Just like people posting videos free-handling hots, live feeding videos, etc.

Most people that watch stuff on youtube aren't going to search a person, look at their entire history, job, etc. they are going to watch and video and make a judgement based on that. With this sort of thing, I could easily see some newbie going out and trying this without taking any safety precautions and something going very wrong. Or, an AR group could take this footage and say "See, all reptile keepers are irresponsible and dangerous! Ban ownership!".

Youtubers typically get snubbed by the community when they are creating content viewed as "sensational" and not educational. Content that does not have the best interests of the animals in mind, ignores safety, or contains shocking titles / images. If content is truly educational, most people don't have a problem with it, as it will show information on proper care and husbandry as well as information on the species in question. If this youtuber had instead made a video showing 2-3 people getting an anaconda out of its' enclosure, how to properly move it, some shots of it outside to show how gorgeous it is, and talk about how dedicated you have to be, how expensive it is to care for it, common health concerns, etc. Then that would have been great educational material IMO, but it probably would not have gotten as many hits as something like "showering with a giant snake" would.

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Originally Posted by Valyrian

By your own words that opinion is based on your perception of the video posted. And it appears your perception has been coloured by a pre-judgement of the person in the video without any research into his background. My opinion is an objective outcome of your pre-judgement of the person in the video hence using the word prejudiced. And I stand by it.

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The very definition of prejudice is a "preconceived opinion not based on reason, such as men being prejudice against women as a whole, not based on the action of one woman, or people being prejudice against all pitbulls, not one particular one or its actions, etc."

I'm not prejudice against snake keepers, men, men taking showers in underwear, exotic animal keepers, etc. My opinion is based on THAT one particular guy and what he is doing and how he is sharing it for attention (unless he puts it on youtube so no-one can see it). So yes, opinion based on reason.

This very thread was created asking for views / opinions on the video.

I shared mine. Don't expect anyone to share it and respect the fact that others may have differing ones.

We can go on to twist and scramble words forever, but lets just say we don't agree ;)

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Originally Posted by zina10

I'm not prejudice against snake keepers, men, men taking showers in underwear, exotic animal keepers, etc.

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Loool does anyone know anyone who's prejudice of men taking showers in underwear?

Haha sorry just laughed out loud when I read that part.

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Originally Posted by zina10

The very definition of prejudice is a "preconceived opinion not based on reason, such as men being prejudice against women as a whole, not based on the action of one woman, or people being prejudice against all pitbulls, not one particular one or its actions, etc."

I'm not prejudice against snake keepers, men, men taking showers in underwear, exotic animal keepers, etc. My opinion is based on THAT one particular guy and what he is doing and how he is sharing it for attention (unless he puts it on youtube so no-one can see it). So yes, opinion based on reason.

This very thread was created asking for views / opinions on the video.

I shared mine. Don't expect anyone to share it and respect the fact that others may have differing ones.

We can go on to twist and scramble words forever, but lets just say we don't agree ;)

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Sounds good, I was only sharing my opinion as well.

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Originally Posted by CottonMouth

Loool does anyone know anyone who's prejudice of men taking showers in underwear?

Haha sorry just laughed out loud when I read that part.

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You just never know !!! LOL

My point was just that my opinion was based on the actions, not whether it was man, woman, old, young, ugly, sexy, dressed, naked, big snake, alligator, shark...
Simply the actions and what I perceive as irresponsible in our hobby. In my opinion.


In this hobby not many realize just how very hard some people are at work to outlaw reptile keeping. Esp. snakes. Esp. constrictors and hots.

You already have many cities and counties where you can't keep giant snakes. There is a lot of movement into forbidding any "constrictor". Yes, that will then include Ball Pythons and even spotted or childrens pythons.

Does anyone think this is just fear mongering? Or being paranoid? Just check out the trouble the Humane Society went through creating this report back in 2012:

http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/...-incidents.pdf

check this one out:

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/...or-snakes.html


Of course WE know those are ridiculous. Esp. if you compare it to other animals causing injuries and death to people. BUT remember that most of the public couldn't care less about snakes. Many think the only good snake is a dead snake. Many have preconceived ideas about the dangers of snakes AND the "irresponsibility" and carelessness of snake keepers. Getting these laws passed is not all that difficult because there aren't that many that fight back or even acknowledge what is going on behind the curtain. This is just one example of a large entity fighting to end legal snake ownership. There is much more going on then that. There are countless articles such as this:

https://www.poynter.org/news/python-...ng-exotic-pets

We should all thank USARK for fighting for us, if not for them, there would already have been many more anti snake ownership laws passed and a lot less awareness of the many attacks on our hobby.

In our hobby it has become critical that we EDUCATE instead of alienate.

There will always be some stupid people doing stupid stuff. But its up to us not to encourage that behavior or share it with the world. You will always have some young people that are impressed and want to copy. They think if its safe for that guy, why not for them. Sure, we could say, if they are that stupid, to bad for them.

But every, single, death or injury that involves these animals is a hit. A big one. Every such case is being used to push those laws harder and faster. And if the general public perceives us as people taking stupid risks and doing dumb stuff (and promoting it on social media) they will feel its no big loss if the laws become tougher. As a matter of fact, they will welcome that.

Just the long explanation why I'm no fan of people doing and sharing these kinds of things for attention.



ps. please keep in mind that English is my second language, and it seems I have lost it today, LOL. I have a hard time trying to explain myself and grammar/spelling is on vacation. Time for coffee...been one of those days already ;)

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Originally Posted by CottonMouth

Loool does anyone know anyone who's prejudice of men taking showers in underwear?

Haha sorry just laughed out loud when I read that part.

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Ha ha you laugh but there are people out there who would probably view it as misogynistic or something [emoji23]




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