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Found this guy at a local pet shop.i consider myself fairly decent at morph identification but best I can figure on this guy is a really odd normal. But I'm considering getting him just because he's got so much white on him. Please give me your opinions on if you think he's anything else.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...17593253b9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...af026aec81.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...31da9962b3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b04137c64c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...374aac20c2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7ac78b77db.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0beb37a52d.jpg

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Maybe a low quality axanthic??

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comeon u know u need better head pix and belly pix as well. ;)
i dunno - low quality Enchi Pastel? no blushing really throughout the body but i seem some on on the head in the first pix but Pastel could explain the dull colors.

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Originally Posted by StillBP

Maybe a low quality axanthic??

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i dunno.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

comeon u know u need better head pix and belly pix as well. ;)
i dunno - low quality Enchi Pastel? no blushing really throughout the body but i seem some on on the head in the first pix but Pastel could explain the dull colors.


i dunno.

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Yea he wouldn't hold still for a belly pic. Belly is totally white. No specks. Head only was blushed on the neck pattern. None on the head. Totally brown, Which is why I didn't even consider pastel. I'll see if I can get a head shot tomorrow

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Pretty BP!!

Pastel enchi would be my guess.... or maybe some of that lace nonsense I keep hearing about. :rofl:

Calico?


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I'm not seeing pastel, calico, enchi or any of those traits.
Are people saying pastel because of the 'browned out' look?

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Originally Posted by StillBP

Maybe a low quality axanthic??

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I was thinking it's either an odd normal or an axanthic as well.
it's pretty!

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

I'm not seeing pastel, calico, enchi or any of those traits.
Are people saying pastel because of the 'browned out' look?

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for me, it's in the reduction in pattern, lack of eyes and banding/attempted banding. the really wierd thing is the lack of blushing.

i don't think it is a normal at all. too many qualities that come w/ a morph and the clear belly makes me say no.

Edit: i don't see Calico and if it's Axanthic, probably not VPI?

I'm thinking I'll probably go pick him up. He is in a chain store. But the manager of the store raises red tails. So things are done mostly right there husbandry is as close to perfect as you will see in a store. And he's not cheap but not exactly expensive. So he might come home and we will see what he looks like in a year

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Ok so I did go out today and pick him up. Got a few pictures hedid have more blushing on his head than I originally remembered but that's it for his blushing. And almost a full solid white belly https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6478c68346.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4a3fa5a90a.jpg

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I have no idea, but I love his belly! Definitely a neat looking snake!

Based on the belly, it's not a pastel..... ok, ya got me stumped over here. :rofl:

I'm stumped too, but it's a lovely snake. It'll make a great dinker project.

many morphs have clean bellies including Pastel. i'm hesitant to say it's a low quality Axanthic b/c "browned" out Axanthics look more like normal BP's instead of a "browned" out Pastel. this snake def. went through a color change def. very early on based on his size (compared to your hand). anyways my guess is probably wrong but i do like his pattern and darkness.

it's not for me, but i admire the peeps who tinker around w/ dinkers. what steps and pairings do u think u will take to proving him out?

Well I have a very nice clean "normal" (she's not quite normal some kind if reduction gene going on with her) girl who is a great breeder and generally lays decent sized clutches. I've paired her 2x before and she's due to lay her 3rd any day now. I think I have a good feeling for what she throws as babies so I think I'll be able to tell if there is any abnormalities in the babies. And if not I suppose I'll hold back the girls and see what happens in a few years

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many morphs have clean bellies including Pastel. i'm hesitant to say it's a low quality Axanthic b/c "browned" out Axanthics look more like normal BP's instead of a "browned" out Pastel. this snake def. went through a color change def. very early on based on his size (compared to your hand). anyways my guess is probably wrong but i do like his pattern and darkness.

it's not for me, but i admire the peeps who tinker around w/ dinkers. what steps and pairings do u think u will take to proving him out?

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Please mind the crummy pics. I'm trying not to mess with her she's been ummm grumpy latelyhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...dfd8c2073a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...210382c4b9.jpg

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Wow.. that big girl there is definitely not normal... blade maybe?