Bcc or bci

Got this guy for a steal yesterday. Just wondering if you guys think he is bcc or bci. Either way he’s great. Calm and about 3.5 ft.
Please let me know what you guys think.


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Great new pick up,
I would say bcc with the tail colour and the nice bat shape saddles

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Originally Posted by richardhind1972

Great new pick up,
I would say bcc with the tail colour and the nice bat shape saddles

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That’s kinda wear I was leaning. I’ve been out the boa game for a while and decided to start up again soon as I saw him and especially what the guy asked for him. Is it true Suriname is the most common? He looks kinda like some of the Suriname I see.


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Yes he does that's for sure, couldn't really name a locality as you don't the lineage or have paper work for him,he's really nice

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Originally Posted by richardhind1972

Yes he does that's for sure, couldn't really name a locality as you don't the lineage or have paper work for him,he's really nice

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Definitely understand. Thanks for the input.


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I agree with the idea of BCC as well, BCI's have uniform "hourglass" saddles although there are some exceptions where you find BCC's with hourglass saddles as well (Peruvians in particular)..... Batman saddles?... usually always mean heavy BCC influence.

Deal on a BCC? AWESOME!

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Originally Posted by KevinK

I agree with the idea of BCC as well, BCI's have uniform "hourglass" saddles although there are some exceptions where you find BCC's with hourglass saddles as well (Peruvians in particular)..... Batman saddles?... usually always mean heavy BCC influence.

Deal on a BCC? AWESOME!

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Makes sense from my knowledge. 100 usd can’t beat it for this guy he’s awesome.


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BCC, locality unknown. Nice pick up.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

BCC, locality unknown. Nice pick up.

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Thanks.


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Agreed, BC or BC mix, unknown locality.
Congrats on the pick up!

So I just reached back out to the guy selling off his reptiles. He told me he was sold to him as cb Guyana. Just ready to see how this guy turns out


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That’s another definite BBC, almost looks like a Guyana maybe? I swear I posted before I read the last page. Used to be a big Peter Kahl fan!

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That’s another definite BBC, almost looks like a Guyana maybe? I swear I posted before I read the last page. Used to be a big Peter Kahl fan!

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It’s hard to tell the different localities really in my opinion. But all good with me. Same guy also had a nice dumerals about 4ft tried to buy as well but says already sold and waiting for pickup. Feels good to be back in the hobby still have 2 empty stackables. Guess I gotta fill em lol


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BCC and the difference between a Guyana and Suriname is a river and a political border, Unless you or the breeder know exactly where it or the parents were collected, it's just a BCC.

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BCC and the difference between a Guyana and Suriname is a river and a political border, Unless you or the breeder know exactly where it or the parents were collected, it's just a BCC.

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Very true. I agree


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BCC and the difference between a Guyana and Suriname is a river and a political border, Unless you or the breeder know exactly where it or the parents were collected, it's just a BCC.

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True, although Gus Rentfro and Vin Russo have been able to spot differences in boas that come from certain areas in the region.

Your Gina is one of those boas. A Suriname but a very different type. A very beautiful type to boot!!

Bcc Guyana, most Suriname I've seen tend to be much darker, though not as dark as Peruvians.

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True, although Gus Rentfro and Vin Russo have been able to spot differences in boas that come from certain areas in the region.

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yes, this was something we used to all discuss back on the kingsnake boa forums. That's how I won my hog isle from Gus actually, he did a survey for what people would think is an ideal example from either Suri or Guyana and then did a random drawing of all the respondents. General thoughts were Suris were more pink with sharper peaks and Guyanas were more purple with rounded peaks as well as a few other differences. Lots of boas would cross the 'border' and be exported from Suri as that was generally the more desirable of the localities. This was before it was generally considered the same and people started calling Northern Shield boas as it's basically all the same area.
There's an informative post from this old forum that talks about Suri vs Guayana as a locality:
http://www.theboaforum.com/forums/sh...32&postcount=9

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

yes, this was something we used to all discuss back on the kingsnake boa forums. That's how I won my hog isle from Gus actually, he did a survey for what people would think is an ideal example from either Suri or Guyana and then did a random drawing of all the respondents. General thoughts were Suris were more pink with sharper peaks and Guyanas were more purple with rounded peaks as well as a few other differences. Lots of boas would cross the 'border' and be exported from Suri as that was generally the more desirable of the localities. This was before it was generally considered the same and people started calling Northern Shield boas as it's basically all the same area.
There's an informative post from this old forum that talks about Suri vs Guayana as a locality:
http://www.theboaforum.com/forums/sh...32&postcount=9

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Nice info.


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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

yes, this was something we used to all discuss back on the kingsnake boa forums. That's how I won my hog isle from Gus actually, he did a survey for what people would think is an ideal example from either Suri or Guyana and then did a random drawing of all the respondents. General thoughts were Suris were more pink with sharper peaks and Guyanas were more purple with rounded peaks as well as a few other differences. Lots of boas would cross the 'border' and be exported from Suri as that was generally the more desirable of the localities. This was before it was generally considered the same and people started calling Northern Shield boas as it's basically all the same area.
There's an informative post from this old forum that talks about Suri vs Guayana as a locality:
http://www.theboaforum.com/forums/sh...32&postcount=9

:)

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I remember that and you rock! Old school for sure.

Well here is Gina who is pure Rio Bravo Pokigron suriname from parents from Gus Rentfro's 2006 litter. She has the classic Pokigron medallions as well as the pink sides but her saddles are more rounded. She also has the connected saddles which i have been told is something that goes with Pokigrons.
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Well here is Gina who is pure Rio Bravo Pokigron suriname from parents from Gus Rentfro's 2006 litter. She has the classic Pokigron medallions as well as the pink sides but her saddles are more rounded. She also has the connected saddles which i have been told is something that goes with Pokigrons.
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Gina looks amazing


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Whatever he or she is that tail is insaaaane!!!

so nice !!!

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Well here is Gina who is pure Rio Bravo Pokigron suriname from parents from Gus Rentfro's 2006 litter. She has the classic Pokigron medallions as well as the pink sides but her saddles are more rounded. She also has the connected saddles which i have been told is something that goes with Pokigrons.
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Yep!!

So, case in point, even though its is TRUE there are no real hard boundaries in the area. The argument or reasoning stands, that locations within the region show evidence that some populations of animals in specified proximities do show traits that are distinct from other areas.

Actually the Guyana boas tend to be the darker, not the lighter of the two when compare to the Suris. Guyana boas are said to have the purple tinge and less buckskin looking areas.

Peru boas, again, depending on the locale, are actually yellow or golden.

All wild boas have the potential to have anomalies like black specs and very dark patches.

The Pokigron boas are special. A lot of what we see now are captive bred animals with the most desirable traits.

No matter what, the boa here is very pretty and the OP has a nice animal!!

Just a small update on this guy( did get him probed, male). Came home he has finally shed and he looks amazing. Pictures do no justice but he has a very pink hue to his body. Now it’s on to my first feeding with him. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f30edd7366.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...996fa67f38.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a48dbb42ac.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d1b5a20da7.jpg


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Very nice,looks nice and solid


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Very nice,looks nice and solid


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Thanks.


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Really good tail colour and great pinks on him


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