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Hi new to this forum and ball pythons.Brought this female as a normal but looks a bit different to me im no expert she is approx 500g she has head spot and lots of blushing gets more each shed what are your opinions thanks

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I am not very good at morph ID, but I see a normal.

Somebody more qualified than me will be along soon, I'm sure...

Patterning is odd.

My first guess would be WT. However, if you told me it was a low quality Monarch I would believe you.

that pattern is super funky! coloring looks normal to me.

Im new to ball pythons what is a WT. She is getting blushing down her back changes every molt and carnt really see in the pics she has a spot and clover leaf pattern on head.

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Originally Posted by Lord Sorril

Patterning is odd.

My first guess would be WT. However, if you told me it was a low quality Monarch I would believe you.

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Originally Posted by Nick78

Im new to ball pythons what is a WT.

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WT = Wild Type = Normal

Brought this as a black pastel enchihttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0fb3d9ff4e.jpg

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Brought this as a black pastel enchihttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...0fb3d9ff4e.jpg

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we need to see a full body picture.

there's not enough reduction in the pattern to be Enchi, or it's a poor example of one. coloring looks a bit off for Black Pastel but that could just be the lighting. but these are only guesses since i can only see a small part of the snake.

Better pic if its not what i brought it as what would you say it was thanks
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Better pic if its not what i brought it as what would you say it was thanks
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...3a7227b6b9.jpg

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see now with this pic i can definitely see it being a BP Enchi.

Thanks for that just learning about them not had them long was planning on breeding it to a mojave and the normal when they reach breeding size

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

see now with this pic i can definitely see it being a BP Enchi.

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This is her
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looks like a wonky dinker normal.

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Originally Posted by Lord Sorril

Patterning is odd.

My first guess would be WT. However, if you told me it was a low quality Monarch I would believe you.

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really? really? that is not a Monarch in any form. i think a low quality Monarch would look like an Ultramel.

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Better pic if its not what i brought it as what would you say it was thanks
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...3a7227b6b9.jpg

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how big and how old is this BP? it's not the best example if it is a BP Enchi. i can hardly see either gene in this snake.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

looks like a wonky dinker normal.


really? really? that is not a Monarch in any form. i think a low quality Monarch would look like an Ultramel.


how big and how old is this BP? it's not the best example if it is a BP Enchi. i can hardly see either gene in this snake.

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Its about 2yrs old weighs 1000g,was thinking that myself when comparing it to other examples.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

how big and how old is this BP? it's not the best example if it is a BP Enchi. i can hardly see either gene in this snake.

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Its about 2yrs old weighs 1000g,was thinking that myself when comparing it to other examples.

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yeah TBH it looks like a reduced but interesting browned out/greyed out Pastel (and not what it's supposed to be).

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yeah TBH it looks like a reduced but interesting browned out/greyed out Pastel (and not what it's supposed to be).

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Yes can see where your coming from but comparing it to pics of browned out pastels it dont quiet match up and other than its got a pixelated look carnt see any enchi about it.If i did breed off it would it be best to put it to normal to prove it out or not bother at all.

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Is there any posability the bloke i brought it off got his snakes mixed up and its got black pewter and not black pastel in it would explain the lighter washed out apperance

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Originally Posted by Ax01

looks like a wonky dinker normal.


really? really? that is not a Monarch in any form. i think a low quality Monarch would look like an Ultramel.


how big and how old is this BP? it's not the best example if it is a BP Enchi. i can hardly see either gene in this snake.

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Is there any posability the bloke i brought it off got his snakes mixed up and its got black pewter and not black pastel in it would explain the lighter washed out apperance

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doubt it. doesn't look like a Black Pewter which is a Black Pastel x Pastel combo. i think it would be best to just follow-up w/ the breeder/seller directly and confirm the genetic pairing that produced it.

Will do though he said it was out of black pastel x enchi when i brought it but as you say it dont look like one im new to them so not up on them nearest pic i can find to it was a black pastel enchi ghost and seen a few pics of browned out pastels similar my snake has brown eyes thought pastels were greenish or can they vary.

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doubt it. doesn't look like a Black Pewter which is a Black Pastel x Pastel combo. i think it would be best to just follow-up w/ the breeder/seller directly and confirm the genetic pairing that produced it.

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Is there any posability the bloke i brought it off got his snakes mixed up and its got black pewter and not black pastel in it would explain the lighter washed out apperance

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Originally Posted by Ax01

doubt it. doesn't look like a Black Pewter which is a Black Pastel x Pastel combo. i think it would be best to just follow-up w/ the breeder/seller directly and confirm the genetic pairing that produced it.

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Will do though he said it was out of black pastel x enchi when i brought it but as you say it dont look like one im new to them so not up on them nearest pic i can find to it was a black pastel enchi ghost and seen a few pics of browned out pastels similar my snake has brown eyes thought pastels were greenish or can they vary.

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if the breeder/seller is reputable, i would trust her or him. IMO there are a few ways to look at this:

1. be bummed out that your BP Enchi is low quality and/or doesn't look like others of the same morph

2. be proud of having something unique or a trait that may prove out if u breed (i.e. reduced pattern, blushing)

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Originally Posted by Ax01

if the breeder/seller is reputable, i would trust her or him. IMO there are a few ways to look at this:

1. be bummed out that your BP Enchi is low quality and/or doesn't look like others of the same morph

2. be proud of having something unique or a trait that may prove out if u breed (i.e. reduced pattern, blushing)

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Yes mate im not that bothered didnt pay alot for it and i like the look of it'only thing bothers me is id like to know the genetics if i decide to breed off it.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

if the breeder/seller is reputable, i would trust her or him. IMO there are a few ways to look at this:

1. be bummed out that your BP Enchi is low quality and/or doesn't look like others of the same morph

2. be proud of having something unique or a trait that may prove out if u breed (i.e. reduced pattern, blushing)

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Originally Posted by Nick78

Yes mate im not that bothered didnt pay alot for it and i like the look of it'only thing bothers me is id like to know the genetics if i decide to breed off it.

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at this point, take it for what it is until proven otherwise. breed it to something simple like a Pastel. Enchi Pastel, Black Pewter and Black Peter Enchi combo's should be easy enough to ID. or breed it to a normal and see lil single Black Pastels and Enchis pop out for confirmation.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

at this point, take it for what it is until proven otherwise. breed it to something simple like a Pastel. Enchi Pastel, Black Pewter and Black Peter Enchi combo's should be easy enough to ID. or breed it to a normal and see lil single Black Pastels and Enchis pop out for confirmation.

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Yes thats what i was going to do breed it with the normal and see what comes out if i just got normals and ones that look like him i would asume it was a pastel of some sort would that be correct.

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Hi i have had the snake i posted pics off a couple months or so it has had a couple of moults and is getting brighter each moult got more yellow and green coming through would of thought it would stay same?

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at this point, take it for what it is until proven otherwise. breed it to something simple like a Pastel. Enchi Pastel, Black Pewter and Black Peter Enchi combo's should be easy enough to ID. or breed it to a normal and see lil single Black Pastels and Enchis pop out for confirmation.

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The first one you posted is a normal... The second one I would think is a black pastel enchi.. Do you have better pics of him..

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The first one you posted is a normal... The second one I would think is a black pastel enchi.. Do you have better pics of him..

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Not the best pics.. Cant be sure into you breed him..

If that snake has enchi, it is a poor example of enchi. The pattern is hardly altered. Enchi lightens so it could be a black pastel enchi, but the pattern doesn't line up with how it should.

This is my banana pastel enchi, his pattern is significantly altered and reduced as is usual with the enchi gene.

Again no way to tell except to breed it, but continuing low quality lines if it proves out is not my cup o tea.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...43437674e8.jpg

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Hi not been on for a good while due to health issues sort of got to the bottom of why the black pastel enchi doesn’t look like what it should it looks like I’ve been sold the wrong snake the snake which should of been a black pastel enchi was a proven male the snake I’ve ended up with is 100% female the bloke wasn’t there when I picked it up but said his mrs would be fine sorting them out looks like she got mixed up some how so still none the wiser to what it is other than it’s some sort of pastel