A morph or no?

I picked up "Seymour" (as the box-store employees named him/her) as a normal on sale for $40. She looked nothing like my actual normal so I figured I would snag him/her as a deal.

What are your thoughts?

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quick glance says Mystic/Phantom YB.

Edit: any belly pix?

Pretty little thing. Maybe a bright normal. The way I see it, Unless you are breeding, the morph really doesn’t matter, its a beautiful pet.

Thanks for the response. Pretty white.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Pretty little thing. Maybe a bright normal. The way I see it, Unless you are breeding, the morph really doesn’t matter, its a beautiful pet.

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Thank you, this one and my normal are pets. Unless they are females. ;) Working up the courage to probe but would like someone else to teach me; the linked video from this site was very helpful and encouraging.

What gets me (obviously still learning) is the orange coming up his/her sides and the head marking. (S)he is awesome once I get him/her out, but (s)he also loves to "snort" or puff out air when I first touch him/her.

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Originally Posted by Spechal

What gets me (obviously still learning) is the orange coming up his/her sides and the head marking. (S)he is awesome once I get him/her out, but (s)he also loves to "snort" or puff out air when I first touch him/her.

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yes, those are flames and a headstamp. i do think it's a Mystic/Phantom YB. all the signs are there. others may also chime in.

u got a good deal.

You got me curious too now, a looker regardless. Yeah someone with a trained eye needs to take a peak. But yeah, I see what Ax is saying.

I deffo see yellowbelly but don't have enough experience with mystic/phantom to judge yay or nay. :oops:

my first thought before opening the thread was Mystic/Phantom.

a very beautiful baby.

Way to bright for a normal I think. A stunner for sure!

Does anyone else have any thoughts? I’ve been googling and making comparisons to known morphs as well and will post up what I think after more research. Thanks!

I’m confident calling him a yellowbelly. However I would think the phantom yellow belly would be darker and more blushed.

We have a couple of hobbiests on the site who work with phantom/mystic, maybe one of them will chime in.

I have been wondering. What is the definitive difference between a normal and a yellowbelly. Also, how can you identify it through thier colors and patterns?

I have pretty much narrowed it down to Phantom #2 + Spark ... phantom looks like it has more “cherios” and mine has more alien heads like Phantom #2

This is pretty much my snake ... https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f1a5190de4.jpg ... still investigating yellow belly.

Thoughts?

Thanks for everyone’s input thus far!


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Originally Posted by Nz2500

I have been wondering. What is the definitive difference between a normal and a yellowbelly. Also, how can you identify it through thier colors and patterns?

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If you do a quick search on this forum or Google you should come up with some nice photo comparisons, but YB have a very clean belly that is edged by some checkering before going to the side pattern. Sorry I don't have any belly shots of Sunny to show. :(

Ok cool! And thanks!

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Originally Posted by Trisnake

I’m confident calling him a yellowbelly. However I would think the phantom yellow belly would be darker and more blushed.

We have a couple of hobbiests on the site who work with phantom/mystic, maybe one of them will chime in.

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Me too, based on limited experiences, I think that's what drew to me Spark instead of Pastel, especially since Spark (het Puma) shows flames and lighter coloring. Headstamp is there too.

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Originally Posted by Nz2500

I have been wondering. What is the definitive difference between a normal and a yellowbelly. Also, how can you identify it through thier colors and patterns?

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Originally Posted by WhompingWillow

If you do a quick search on this forum or Google you should come up with some nice photo comparisons, but YB have a very clean belly that is edged by some checkering before going to the side pattern. Sorry I don't have any belly shots of Sunny to show. :(

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the telltale signs can be subtle given the variation within the morph but some other things to look for include the marking on the head and flames - blushing that comes up from the belly between the pattern.

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Originally Posted by Spechal

I have pretty much narrowed it down to Phantom #2 + Spark ... phantom looks like it has more “cherios” and mine has more alien heads like Phantom #2

This is pretty much my snake ... ... still investigating yellow belly.

Thoughts?

Thanks for everyone’s input thus far!

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the pattern looks like a clash of BEL and an enhancer gene, there's a good mix of alien heads, cheerio's/speech bubbles and attempted cheerio's/speech bubbles. your Spark (combo) theory is a good one.

regardless - u definitely have a morph. it's just unknown which enhancer and BEL gene is all in there IMO until it's proven out.

Edit: pair it to a YB or Mojo and see if a Puma or Passion/Potion or BEL animals hatches. :)