Is 50 - 60% humidity really optimum for a Burm or Retic?

I've read many times that 50 - 60% is the optimum humidity outside of shed.

I've tried a few substrates with my Burm but Eco Earth is the absolute best in all regards. It holds humidity, it absorbs waste and smells, it's easily passed through the digestion tract if ingested and it looks great. But more than anything, my Burm loves to poop on it ha ha [emoji23]

I generally keep her at 50 - 60% humidity with a spike of around 70% when I spray her twice a day (I increase that to around 80% during shed). But she only seems to poop when the Eco Earth is fresh and north of 90% humidity for the first couple of days until it dries out a little.

I bathe her 3 days after each weekly feed but she only produces urates and she hates to be in the water regardless of the temperature. So I have to sort of play with her in there so she stays in the water.

So what are your thoughts? Is 50 - 60% humidity enough or should it be maintained higher? How high is too much humidity to be safe?

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I keep all my boas and retic around 75-85% humidity. It keeps their skins nice and silky smooth especially Caesar who when he is kept drier, his skin tends to get kind of rough feeling if that makes sense.

I never mist my cages anymore since i put in live plants and cypress.

As for safe levels, i think anything that doesnt have condensation pouring down the sides or dripping off the roof of the cage is good. You also dont want the substrate constantly wet. A lot of people associate wetness with humidity which is right in a sense but us as snake keepers are looking for high relative humidity but with a drier substrate. That is why i use large water bowls and live potted plants. Keeps the snakes floor fairly dry so they dont develop scale rot or promoting a breeding ground for bacteria.

She’s looking great and growing fast! This is an interesting question. I will preface by saying that I do not keep this species. However, based on its natural distribution, I would assume a Burm would thrive in a higher humidity environment. Of course, we know they are a hardy species and highly adaptable, but I looked up weather forecasts in many of the places in their natural range and it seems humidity in the 70’s would be perfectly appropriate.

I think “50-60%” is probably an average that was agreed upon based on the fact that they can be found in a variety of habitats (grasslands, rainforest, etc). But for a species that hails from Southeast Asia and outlying islands, my instinct would be to replicate humidity levels naturally found in those regions. Again, I don’t keep burns, so if someone chimes in with contradictory advice, that in no way hurts my feelings.

Also, is there a specific reason for the baths?

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Originally Posted by Team Slytherin

She’s looking great and growing fast! This is an interesting question. I will preface by saying that I do not keep this species. However, based on its natural distribution, I would assume a Burm would thrive in a higher humidity environment. Of course, we know they are a hardy species and highly adaptable, but I looked up weather forecasts in many of the places in their natural range and it seems humidity in the 70’s would be perfectly appropriate.

I think “50-60%” is probably an average that was agreed upon based on the fact that they can be found in a variety of habitats (grasslands, rainforest, etc). But for a species that hails from Southeast Asia and outlying islands, my instinct would be to replicate humidity levels naturally found in those regions. Again, I don’t keep burns, so if someone chimes in with contradictory advice, that in no way hurts my feelings.

Also, is there a specific reason for the baths?

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Thanks ☺ it's a tough one because I googled humidity all over their natural range one day and had results ranging from 40% up to 70%. I'm gonna add a live plant like Sauzo does and aim for 70% and see how she goes. I'm just worried about RIs etc.

To be honest I only bathe her because I've seen loads of other Burm keepers doing it for hydration. I'm new to this species so I'm trusting what the majority are doing.

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I found that, too, so I bet it is frustrating! But yeah, what Sauzo said about 75-85% sounds about right to me. As long as there is good ventilation and the ground doesn’t stay wet, you should be solid. I added a couple orchids to my scrubs cage and it seems to help with the humidity quite a bit. She looks killer!

Typically, RI's won't occur in tropical species as long as temps stay in the optimal range. I keep my water python in humidity well above 75% with no issue and her temps range from 90- 78f

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I found that, too, so I bet it is frustrating! But yeah, what Sauzo said about 75-85% sounds about right to me. As long as there is good ventilation and the ground doesn’t stay wet, you should be solid. I added a couple orchids to my scrubs cage and it seems to help with the humidity quite a bit. She looks killer!

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These snakes are great, you should get one if you have the space. She's always been really chilled from the first day I got her. Been hook training her too so i can gently hold her head to inspect her and she doesn't mind at all. She does hiss a little when I pick her up but has never struck or musked. When rats are around that's another story though lol.

Do the orchids need UV light?

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Typically, RI's won't occur in tropical species as long as temps stay in the optimal range. I keep my water python in humidity well above 75% with no issue and her temps range from 90- 78f

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That's good the hear. Do any of you use eco earth? I found the whole room would smell of poop/urates before I started using it.

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Ri's arent going to just randomly pop up. If you keep the cage too wet and too cold or too hot and too dry, then you then snake can get it. Bacteria are all around us and for the most part, our immune systems can fight them off or keep them in check. It's when the immune system gets weakened by low humidity which can cause the lung to crack which allows bacteria to enter or if the snake is kept too cold and too wet which allows bacteria to get a hold. So like Alter said, i really wouldnt be too worried about a species that is meant/used to higher humidity getting an RI as long as your husbandry is correct.

As for bathing to keep the snake hydrated, snakes skin arent like amphibians. They dont absorb or expel water through it. They can absorb water through their vent though and from drinking. As long as you keep the humidity correct and offer clean water to drink at all times, you shouldnt need to bathe your snake unless it body paints with poop or piss lol.

I personally hate Eco Earth. Way too fine of grind and it doesnt seem to hold humidity very well. Being such small little particles, it seems to release the water too fast. It's kind of the reason i am actually not a huge fan of the Reptile Prime after using it. I prefer chunkier stuff like ReptiChips and now cypress. The stuff holds a lot of water and since the pieces are pretty big, it seems to release it a lot slower or just has more mass to absorb water so holds more. But anyways, I really like cypress. Never used it before but now. I'm pretty much sold on the stuff. Like i said, cypress, ReptiChips and aspen are my big 3.

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These snakes are great, you should get one if you have the space. She's always been really chilled from the first day I got her. Been hook training her too so i can gently hold her head to inspect her and she doesn't mind at all. She does hiss a little when I pick her up but has never struck or musked. When rats are around that's another story though lol.

Do the orchids need UV light?

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They are a beautiful species! I’m embarrassed to say I kept one briefly when I was 13...long before internet care sheets or I was an actual responsible human being🙄 I’d like to revisit the species someday, but for now, burms and Los Angeles apartments are not the best mix😂 I would want to be sure I could provide adequate space for it to have a happy life. Someday!

As for the orchids, I’m honestly not sure. There is a basking light in the enclosure and it receives natural light from a window, so it seems to be ok so far. It’s gotta have some UV light to synthesize food, but orchids do best with indirect sun anyway.

If you want plants that are pretty indestructible and dont need much light, i have found pothos or devil's ivy works awesome. The stuff will even grow in offices under fluorescent or LED lighting. And even my black thumb can grow the stuff. I killed off my poor parlor palm and my prayer plant is finally making a recovery after almost dying too lol. But the pothos is growing like a weed. Plus it grows low and like vines so would give floor cover and my retic and big boas have climbed over top of the stuff in the pots and it gets flattened but springs back lol.

I have also heard Draeceni(sp) do well too with snakes but that plant grows pretty tall so you need a tall cage where as the pothos tops out at around 12-15 inches.

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Ri's arent going to just randomly pop up. If you keep the cage too wet and too cold or too hot and too dry, then you then snake can get it. Bacteria are all around us and for the most part, our immune systems can fight them off or keep them in check. It's when the immune system gets weakened by low humidity which can cause the lung to crack which allows bacteria to enter or if the snake is kept too cold and too wet which allows bacteria to get a hold. So like Alter said, i really wouldnt be too worried about a species that is meant/used to higher humidity getting an RI as long as your husbandry is correct.

As for bathing to keep the snake hydrated, snakes skin arent like amphibians. They dont absorb or expel water through it. They can absorb water through their vent though and from drinking. As long as you keep the humidity correct and offer clean water to drink at all times, you shouldnt need to bathe your snake unless it body paints with poop or piss lol.

I personally hate Eco Earth. Way too fine of grind and it doesnt seem to hold humidity very well. Being such small little particles, it seems to release the water too fast. It's kind of the reason i am actually not a huge fan of the Reptile Prime after using it. I prefer chunkier stuff like ReptiChips and now cypress. The stuff holds a lot of water and since the pieces are pretty big, it seems to release it a lot slower or just has more mass to absorb water so holds more. But anyways, I really like cypress. Never used it before but now. I'm pretty much sold on the stuff. Like i said, cypress, ReptiChips and aspen are my big 3.

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How often do you change your water? I started changing it every day, then every couple of days but now I do it twice a week. As it's a large bowl that she could fit in twice over and I use Reptisafe which limits ammonia development. Obviously if it was soiled I would change it straight away.

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How often do you change your water? I started changing it every day, then every couple of days but now I do it twice a week. As it's a large bowl that she could fit in twice over and I use Reptisafe which limits ammonia development. Obviously if it was soiled I would change it straight away.

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I generally change all my snakes' water every other day or at the latest every 3rd day. I also will spray the water bowls down with F10SC to give it a cleaning too.

I dont use Reptisafe. I just wash in hot water with F10SC and then give them cold tap water.

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They are a beautiful species! I’m embarrassed to say I kept one briefly when I was 13...long before internet care sheets or I was an actual responsible human being[emoji849] I’d like to revisit the species someday, but for now, burms and Los Angeles apartments are not the best mix[emoji23] I would want to be sure I could provide adequate space for it to have a happy life. Someday!

As for the orchids, I’m honestly not sure. There is a basking light in the enclosure and it receives natural light from a window, so it seems to be ok so far. It’s gotta have some UV light to synthesize food, but orchids do best with indirect sun anyway.

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I know what you mean mate. I got my first corn when I was 15 back in 1999. I kept that guy in a glass aquarium on a heat mat with no stat [emoji53] I didn't even know what a thermostat was back then. He did ok though until my cousin left the lid off and he disappeared never to be seen again unfortunately.

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I generally change all my snakes' water every other day or at the latest every 3rd day. I also will spray the water bowls down with F10SC to give it a cleaning too.

I dont use Reptisafe. I just wash in hot water with F10SC and then give them cold tap water.

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I use F10SC too. Actually my snake pooped on a plastic plant so I took it out scrubbed it, sprayed it down with F10SC and let it sit for 20 minutes then rinsed it. But it still smelled a bit musty if you know what I mean? I diluted the F10 to the maximum ratio too. Will that cause problems with bacteria?

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I know what you mean mate. I got my first corn when I was 15 back in 1999. I kept that guy in a glass aquarium on a heat mat with no stat [emoji53] I didn't even know what a thermostat was back then. He did ok though until my cousin left the lid off and he disappeared never to be seen again unfortunately.

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HAHAHA yeah, not our proudest moments. My little Burm also escaped never to be seen again :( It was irresponsible of me and irresponsible of my parents, but we didn’t know better. I was a child! I shudder to think about what horrible husbandry practices we used back then. My current babies will benefit from my childhood failures.

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I use F10SC too. Actually my snake pooped on a plastic plant so I took it out scrubbed it, sprayed it down with F10SC and let it sit for 20 minutes then rinsed it. But it still smelled a bit musty if you know what I mean? I diluted the F10 to the maximum ratio too. Will that cause problems with bacteria?

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shouldnt. I mean if you sprayed it down with F10SC, let it sit and then rinsed it off, you should be fine. Bacteria are all around. Like i said, its only when the snake's immune system gets compromised, it can get sick. It's just people who have 1 snake and it gets an RI. The bacteria didnt magically appear. They are all around us and them. Just keep the cage fairly clean(doesnt need to be hospital sterile), keep the proper temps and humidity and overall good husbandry and your snake should be fine

An example is i pride myself on keeping my snakes well taken care off even to the point of a little OCD with dirty substrate and stuff. Yet my big girl, Rosey managed to get a sinus infection when she cut her nose of the edge of her old ProLine cage which is another story all together lol. Stuff can happen even in very clean and well maintained cages. That's why a good vet is worth their weight in gold imo. My vet got Rosey all fixed up although she still has a little bump on her nose which the vet said might go away with time or might not.

I think you are doing fine. I personally though, would shoot for a humidity of 65% minimum and more around 70-75%.

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HAHAHA yeah, not our proudest moments. My little Burm also escaped never to be seen again :( It was irresponsible of me and irresponsible of my parents, but we didn’t know better. I was a child! I shudder to think about what horrible husbandry practices we used back then. My current babies will benefit from my childhood failures.

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Everyone's different and some kids probably are mature enough to care for a range of animals. But it does shock me when I see 12 year olds on YouTube with their baby Retics which I've seen a few times. I'm sure they tell their parents that's as big as they'll ever get

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Everyone's different and some kids probably are mature enough to care for a range of animals. But it does shock me when I see 12 year olds on YouTube with their baby Retics which I've seen a few times. I'm sure they tell their parents that's as big as they'll ever get

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Lol or the snake is really the parent's snake and the kid is claiming it as 'his' lol.

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shouldnt. I mean if you sprayed it down with F10SC, let it sit and then rinsed it off, you should be fine. Bacteria are all around. Like i said, its only when the snake's immune system gets compromised, it can get sick. It's just people who have 1 snake and it gets an RI. The bacteria didnt magically appear. They are all around us and them. Just keep the cage fairly clean(doesnt need to be hospital sterile), keep the proper temps and humidity and overall good husbandry and your snake should be fine

An example is i pride myself on keeping my snakes well taken care off even to the point of a little OCD with dirty substrate and stuff. Yet my big girl, Rosey managed to get a sinus infection when she cut her nose of the edge of her old ProLine cage which is another story all together lol. Stuff can happen even in very clean and well maintained cages. That's why a good vet is worth their weight in gold imo. My vet got Rosey all fixed up although she still has a little bump on her nose which the vet said might go away with time or might not.

I think you are doing fine. I personally though, would shoot for a humidity of 65% minimum and more around 70-75%.

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I'm looking for a good vet but all the ones near me only really do cats and dogs etc. Some claim to be reptile specialists but I'm not so sure lol

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Lol or the snake is really the parent's snake and the kid is claiming it as 'his' lol.

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True ha ha

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I'm looking for a good vet but all the ones near me only really do cats and dogs etc. Some claim to be reptile specialists but I'm not so sure lol

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CHeck with your local zoo reptile house keeper or local herp clubs and see who they recommend for vets. That's how i found my vet and she is awesome.

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CHeck with your local zoo reptile house keeper or local herp clubs and see who they recommend for vets. That's how i found my vet and she is awesome.

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Great idea. I'll see if i can find out from Twycross zoo tomorrow

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