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Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
I have a young banana yellowbelly femaleball I got from from dynasty reptiles . I got her along with another banana pewter mojave female .
My banana yb is a picky eater and she’s was eating adult mice . I had issues with her eating at first because I used to try to dangle the mouse in front of her and get her attention to eat it , but that just scared her . I realized if I just left it in front of her hide she slowly make her way over to the mouse and then eat it . Once I figured her out I fed her for 4 weeks every five days . 5/17/18 was her last meal and I decided I was going to convert her over to eat pups along with the other female I got from dynasty . The other female had no issue she just took the rat pup no problem but Delilah will not even look at the rat pup . I tried the first meal by heating both a rat pup and a mouse in the same bag and then rubbed the two together and there was no response so I just decided to wait until her next meal to try again . I tried again and still nothing . All in all I have tried to feed her 4 times and she still hasn’t eaten . Now she is in shed and she is having a weird shed where her shed did t come off clean. I have her humidity at 60% as often as I can keep it there . I have her hot spot 85-90 and her cool spot at 75 she had multiple hides and always clean water .
*Her weight on 3/23/18 (258Grams) keep in mind I fed her on adult mouse 3/17/18
*Her weight today 4/2/18 (226 grams) I gave her a warm bath for about 30 mins yesterday with the wash cloth (temps not too hot and not too cold ). She still has residual shed on her ......
So my questions for you guys are these
Should I offer her a mouse today and try to get her weight back up before I try to get her on to rats ? Or should I keep with trying to switch her now ?
Should I wait till after this shed is all cleared up and the. Try to feed her a rat pup
Should I give her another bath today to try to get the rest of her shed off ?
Is there any other tricks you guys know or any shed easing products you guys use to help a problem shedder ?
Oh also I read u can scent the face of the pup with the mouses guts .... I tried it and it was disgusting but she still didn’t eat ..... I’ll include some pics thank you guys for any tips and help you can offer . I really appreciate it . https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...82b1728f93.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...54a98d7865.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d388a9e8ed.jpg
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
It looks like she doesn't have a lot to use in order to get her shed off! I had seen some of the same problems w/ shedding, and I think that incomplete shedding (when good humidity is present) can sometimes be due to the snake not having enough 'rough' things in their tank. For this reason I bought my snake a bark-covered hide and a couple pieces of driftwood / bark, which helps them with their shedding process.
She may just be a bit more nervous/irritable/frustrated due to her stuck shed or just her shedding process in general. I have heard that some snakes will be harder to feed when in shed. Here's some things you might try:
-I like feeding my snake when he's on the cold side of his tank, as I've heard that it helps them to distinguish the heat signatures.
-Go up in sizes (if you have the option) in mice, just to try to get her back into a healthy weight before trying w/ rats.
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
Also, in my opinion, bathing the snake should really be a last resort. It can really stress them out, as ball pythons aren't like South American boas (who soak quite often) and don't swim in the wild for the most part.
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Originally Posted by kthoms104
It looks like she doesn't have a lot to use in order to get her shed off! I had seen some of the same problems w/ shedding, and I think that incomplete shedding (when good humidity is present) can sometimes be due to the snake not having enough 'rough' things in their tank. For this reason I bought my snake a bark-covered hide and a couple pieces of driftwood / bark, which helps them with their shedding process.
She may just be a bit more nervous/irritable/frustrated due to her stuck shed or just her shedding process in general. I have heard that some snakes will be harder to feed when in shed. Here's some things you might try:
-I like feeding my snake when he's on the cold side of his tank, as I've heard that it helps them to distinguish the heat signatures.
-Go up in sizes (if you have the option) in mice, just to try to get her back into a healthy weight before trying w/ rats.
Thank you , you think her weight is unhealthy right now or should I give it one more week of trying the rats once her shed is all off ?
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Also, in my opinion, bathing the snake should really be a last resort. It can really stress them out, as ball pythons aren't like South American boas (who soak quite often) and don't swim in the wild for the most part.
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It was not very deep but good to know , I had read that if there were shedding issues to try that .at what point does someone want to let them soak
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
I don't think her weight is unhealthy-- I know that during certain times of the year BPs can lose some weight from feeding strikes just like this, and it isn't something to be extremely anxious about.
And yeah, maybe try again w/ rat pups! If you can manage to get her on them it'll make everything a lot easier. Just try to do as much as you can to reduce her stress (ie. don't handle her for a few days before you feed her. I've also heard that putting more things in the tank like fake plants and wood can make them feel more secure:)
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Just an FYI, making your threads easier to read will get you more replies. Many people skip over threads that are one giant run-on paragraph....
Now, to help with your questions:
1) I would want to make sure she's eating. If she'll accept mice stick with mice til she's eating consistently, then try to switch
2) I would offer 5-7 days after you last offered
3) As for the bath, where is the stuck She's? Eyes, vent and tail clear? Is there a lot stuck?
4) honestly, the best trick for good sheds is good, consistent husbandry. Not just bumping humidity while in shed. Of course, bumping helps, but new sheds start from the tim the old akin comes off. Just keep your husbandry right and the clean sheds will come. Dont waste your money on commercial shed products when its as easy as proper husbandry.
5) I've never to do any scenting or braining, so I'm no help there.
When it comes to getting young snakes eating the issue is most often husbandry or stress. Your husbandry seems like it's pretty good, so could it be stress??
Are you handling the snake?
Maybe adding some more clutter might help the snake feel more secure. Are the sides covered with dark paper or cardboard or anything? Making BPs feel secure is very important.
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
Soaking isn't super bad or anything, it just can tend to stress out the snake and I wouldn't recommend doing it more than once a week/few weeks because you don't want to provide extra stress for the snake. In the case that the snake has had bad sheds a few times in a row, or has had it stuck for a very long time, I would then soak it.
Just make sure to keep humidity up (a lot of people bring it up into the 70s when the snake is in shed just to make the process easier). I can't really tell, but the substrate that you're using looks like aspen? If you have a hard time keeping up humidity during the snake's shed, you could try switching substrates to something that better holds humidity (as aspen doesn't hold humidity very well) like coco fiber.
If changing substrates isn't possible, then maybe put some wet moss into the 'cold' side of the terrarium. However, you want to make sure that you aren't making the whole tank wet, because if your snake doesn't have a dry place to go, it can result in scale rot.
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Originally Posted by craigafrechette
Just an FYI, making your threads easier to read will get you more replies. Many people skip over threads that are one giant run-on paragraph....
Now, to help with your questions:
1) I would want to make sure she's eating. If she'll accept mice stick with mice til she's eating consistently, then try to switch
2) I would offer 5-7 days after you last offered
3) As for the bath, where is the stuck She's? Eyes, vent and tail clear? Is there a lot stuck?
4) honestly, the best trick for good sheds is good, consistent husbandry. Not just bumping humidity while in shed. Of course, bumping helps, but new sheds start from the tim the old akin comes off. Just keep your husbandry right and the clean sheds will come. Dont waste your money on commercial shed products when its as easy as proper husbandry.
5) I've never to do any scenting or braining, so I'm no help there.
When it comes to getting young snakes eating the issue is most often husbandry or stress. Your husbandry seems like it's pretty good, so could it be stress??
Are you handling the snake?
Maybe adding some more clutter might help the snake feel more secure. Are the sides covered with dark paper or cardboard or anything? Making BPs feel secure is very important.
I will try to make my threads easier to read . I’ve never been good at writing and stuff like that .
I handle the snake maybe once a week to check her out and make sure she’s looking good and that there are no physical issues . When I handle her I don’t handle her before feeding .usually 2 to three days after when I got through the cage to check for poop and fluff their substrate and move it around to make sure there is no siting mold or anything .
My husbandry is pretty spot on I try to keep them at 50% humidity and their hot and cool are regulated by herpstat 2.
As far as her being secure shes got two completely blacked out hides and a third hide in the middle of her cage. And the sides of her cage aren’t see through just the front and lights are always set on dim .
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Thanks for the response and tips I appreciate it
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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I will try to make my threads easier to read . I’ve never been good at writing and stuff like that .
I handle the snake maybe once a week to check her out and make sure she’s looking good and that there are no physical issues . When I handle her I don’t handle her before feeding .usually 2 to three days after when I got through the cage to check for poop and fluff their substrate and move it around to make sure there is no siting mold or anything .
My husbandry is pretty spot on I try to keep them at 50% humidity and their hot and cool are regulated by herpstat 2.
As far as her being secure shes got two completely blacked out hides and a third hide in the middle of her cage. And the sides of her cage aren’t see through just the front and lights are always set on dim .
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Thanks for the response and tips I appreciate it
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Ok, sounds good. I might still add some fake plants just for more clutter. I didn't realize you had a pvc stack like that, that thing looks great!!!
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
I actually bought my girl Skittles (banana Bp) from Chun February 1st so I have a bit of insight, yes I was having inconsistent feeding at first with my girl, then I learned she would only eat if I left the rat in her cage lol. Now....waiting 7 days kills her cause she’s ALWAYS roaming around hunting lol, she’s a tad skittish around me but my husband has a touch for Bananas for some reason, her BF Bubbles is the same way around me but not for him. Lol
But what is different is that these two I got from Dynasty are one and two months younger from my Cinny I have and close to 30-40 grams heavier BUT every beep grows at different rates. Now both my BEL and Banana strike with purpose lolhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f766323d42.jpg
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Ok, sounds good. I might still add some fake plants just for more clutter. I didn't realize you had a pvc stack like that, that thing looks great!!!
Thanks man it took a little bit to build and the pvc was expensive but I got to use my Kreg jig finally and it was a fun little project
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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I actually bought my girl Skittles (banana Bp) from Chun February 1st so I have a bit of insight, yes I was having inconsistent feeding at first with my girl, then I learned she would only eat if I left the rat in her cage lol. Now....waiting 7 days kills her cause she’s ALWAYS roaming around hunting lol, she’s a tad skittish around me but my husband has a touch for Bananas for some reason, her BF Bubbles is the same way around me but not for him. Lol
But what is different is that these two I got from Dynasty are one and two months younger from my Cinny I have and close to 30-40 grams heavier BUT every beep grows at different rates. Now both my BEL and Banana strike with purpose lol https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f766323d42.jpg
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He has amazing bananas going on over there. And he was a pleasure to deal with answered all my questions with no issues . What a pretty snake!!!
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I keep my humidity between 60-90% all the time, 24/7. Snakes shed perfect sheds effortlessly, like they are unzipping their pajamas. I keep the temperature gradient from 78-91 degrees. They all eat regularly. Its like having houseplants, lol
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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I keep my humidity between 60-90% all the time, 24/7. Snakes shed perfect sheds effortlessly, like they are unzipping their pajamas. I keep the temperature gradient from 78-91 degrees. They all eat regularly. Its like having houseplants, lol
What kind of bedding do you use ? Someone earlier made a good point maybe I should get somthing that holds humidity more ? I use aspen right now , but there monthly clean out is coming up
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Coconut substrate. I also keep a 9 gallon cool evaporate humidifier running in the snake room, with the humidistat set at 60%. No messing around. Lol
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Coconut substrate. I also keep a 9 gallon cool evaporate humidifier running in the snake room, with the humidistat set at 60%. No messing around. Lol
God I wish had a snake room woh some racks full of these beauts . You have any for sale ?
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God I wish had a snake room woh some racks full of these beauts . You have any for sale ?
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Ha! No, you can keep a single snake on coconut substrate, mist as needed with a spray bottle, and run a humidifier nearby when the air is dry. I like it a little humid mysekf. Keeps my sinuses from drying out in the winter.
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Something to help with humidity -- switch the aspen out for coco chip or coco husk products. They hold humidity extremely well. Putting sphagnum moss in a hide is also helpful, though the coco husk will improve overall humidity.
Out of curiosity, what are you using as a heat source?
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I have one big Albino female that has a bad shed almost every time, and I also have a few mousers. I feel your pain. I have a big girl that just laid 7 eggs and she won't touch a rat, pre-killed or live. Has to be mice. And I have a Pied girl that is also a mouse only snake. It's tough because usually they won't accept more than one or two mice and that's it so they stay pretty skinny. I try to feed a couple mice more often to get them up to weight but it's a pain. If you can get them on rats you'll do much better but it's not always possible.
Personally I'd switch to Prococo or Reptichip. They come in a big compressed block that expands when you soak them in water. Personally I like the 'Chips' the best (vs. the Coir or Fiber).
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Prococo-Coc...8AAOSwC81asXPo
And here's how to expand a block:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLwL7xSeKYQ
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Originally Posted by Joelgriz8124
I tried the first meal by heating both a rat pup and a mouse in the same bag and then rubbed the two together and there was no response so I just decided to wait until her next meal to try again . I tried again and still nothing . All in all I have tried to feed her 4 times and she still hasn’t eaten . Now she is in shed and she is having a weird shed where her shed did t come off clean. I have her humidity at 60% as often as I can keep it there . I have her hot spot 85-90 and her cool spot at 75 she had multiple hides and always clean water .
*Her weight on 3/23/18 (258Grams) keep in mind I fed her on adult mouse 3/17/18
*Her weight today 4/2/18 (226 grams) I gave her a warm bath for about 30 mins yesterday with the wash cloth (temps not too hot and not too cold ). She still has residual shed on her ......
So my questions for you guys are these
Should I offer her a mouse today and try to get her weight back up before I try to get her on to rats ? Or should I keep with trying to switch her now ?
I've been going through the same feeding issues that you've been dealing with. I've been trying for awhile to convert from f/t mice to f/t rats but my boy just doesn't seem interested. I've tried scenting like you mentioned and he seems interested but never strikes. At one point, I decided to give up and concentrate on putting some weight on him. He's now at 400grams and I decided to try again last week w/ the same results. I'll try again this weekend but I might just have to accept that he might be a mouse eater. Speaking of which, can BPs still reach there potential size feeding on mice?
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Originally Posted by Godzilla78
I keep my humidity between 60-90% all the time, 24/7. Snakes shed perfect sheds effortlessly, like they are unzipping their pajamas. I keep the temperature gradient from 78-91 degrees. They all eat regularly. Its like having houseplants, lol
Been having a few issues w/ humidity myself... would you consider 90% humidity to be too high? I had mine up to about 80% once and it really worried me, but if keeping it up there helps with shedding, would you recommend it? As in, have you seen any negative effects (ie. scale rot) in keeping the humidity that high? What humidity do you normally shoot for?
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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I've been going through the same feeding issues that you've been dealing with. I've been trying for awhile to convert from f/t mice to f/t rats but my boy just doesn't seem interested. I've tried scenting like you mentioned and he seems interested but never strikes. At one point, I decided to give up and concentrate on putting some weight on him. He's now at 400grams and I decided to try again last week w/ the same results. I'll try again this weekend but I might just have to accept that he might be a mouse eater. Speaking of which, can BPs still reach there potential size feeding on mice?
Yes but you will need to feed multiple mice.
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Yes but you will need to feed multiple mice.
That's fine but I would like to understand how and when to start this process. For instance, my BP is around 400grams and I've been feeding him adult mice which weight around 30 grams. At what point do I introduce a 2nd mouse?
And a bigger question is how to go about this? He has shown to be a picky eater at times so I've taken steps (feed at night, low lighting, etc..) and if he takes it, I walk away and don't present myself until the next morning. If he doesn't take it after several tries, I leave it there until the next morning and it's usually gone.
So at what point would I offer that 2nd mouse? Would it be too late and present possible digestion issues if I offered the next evening?
Thanks!!!
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If she takes one right away, offer another. I would feed only mouse one on those picky days.
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Thanks man it took a little bit to build and the pvc was expensive but I got to use my Kreg jig finally and it was a fun little project
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So you made that??? That's a LOT like what I've been thinking about building. I see you're in the Boston area too. If there's any chance you'd consider building one to sell could you please PM me? Thanks man
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Something to help with humidity -- switch the aspen out for coco chip or coco husk products. They hold humidity extremely well. Putting sphagnum moss in a hide is also helpful, though the coco husk will improve overall humidity.
Out of curiosity, what are you using as a heat source?
I have belly heat on there hot side and I have 12” heat tape back heat in between their hot and cool sides using herpstats to regulate . Thank you for all your info !
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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I've been going through the same feeding issues that you've been dealing with. I've been trying for awhile to convert from f/t mice to f/t rats but my boy just doesn't seem interested. I've tried scenting like you mentioned and he seems interested but never strikes. At one point, I decided to give up and concentrate on putting some weight on him. He's now at 400grams and I decided to try again last week w/ the same results. I'll try again this weekend but I might just have to accept that he might be a mouse eater. Speaking of which, can BPs still reach there potential size feeding on mice?
Hopefully we can both get our snakes on rats . Good luck !!!
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Hopefully we can both get our snakes on rats . Good luck !!!
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Msg me if you find the magic trick! Good luck.....
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Msg me if you find the magic trick! Good luck.....
i will for sure you do the same hahaha
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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Been having a few issues w/ humidity myself... would you consider 90% humidity to be too high? I had mine up to about 80% once and it really worried me, but if keeping it up there helps with shedding, would you recommend it? As in, have you seen any negative effects (ie. scale rot) in keeping the humidity that high? What humidity do you normally shoot for?
90% is excessive, but no big deal if it is temporary. When I change to fresh, damp coco substrate, it is often this high for a few days. 80% is safe imo. 60-80% is a good healthy range for a ball python. I keep the humidity high and have never had a problem. Just make sure the snake isn't sitting in very wet substrate. You want the substrate and the enclosure to be dry, but the air to be as moist as possible without causing condensation, and water to buildup.
I think dropping humidity below 50% is much more dangerous than having it over 70%. Again, just make sure that the snake isn't sitting in wet substrate. The vast majority of python owners have trouble keeping humidity high enough, unless the inside of your home is very, very humid, it is best to shoot for higher, rather than lower humidity.
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
SHE TOOK A RAT TODAY !!!!! I’m so stoked !!!! Woot woot I didn’t Ben sent it or anything I did have a mouse ready in the other room just encase she didn’t eat . And her shed is doing much better I think she should have it all off soon . Thanks for all the advise guys !
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
Have you guys tried the hairdryer trick ??
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
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I have t tried it but I’ve heard good things about it
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I have t tried it but I’ve heard good things about it
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The hairdryer method WORKS if done properly ...
I wait until evening as they're nocturnal of course then thaw naturally in the snake room , sometimes on a heatmat and sometimes put the rodent/s in a sealed plastic bag and dunk in really warm water ( if I'm short of tirme) . A couple of mine are super sensitive and won't take anything dunked in water - presumably they don't smell mousy enough ?
So then when I'm due to feed , I make sure the viv is unlocked and there's some card on top of the substrate to minimise bark ingestion ... Then I get the mouse/rat by the tail in some tongs and give the rodents head / top half a 10 to 15 second blast with the hairdryer ( hottest setting ) .... then IMMEDIATELY dangle it in front of the snake . They're usually ready and waiting .... Mine all now prefer to strike from inside their hides so I dangle it in front of the entrance for about 15 seconds but no longer as it cools down quickly , if there's a hint of interest such as head movement or tongue flicking then that gives me confidence and I repeat the procedure .... Hot blast and immediately offer ..... repeat as often as it takes ... If there is simply no interest though , either it's going into shed or not hungry ( couple of mine eat every two weeks even though I offer every week just in case
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
Hey guys so my girl is finally eating her rat pups she’s eaten 3 since the post 1 one feeding and she took 2 the second feeding .
That being said she is still having trouble with that shed . I do t want to give her a bath because you guys said that it’s not the best idea , but I don’t know what else to do.
I added two shed rocks in there and other stuff for her to rub on and I’ve kept her humidity at 65%.
My other female had a perfect shed two days ago and the husbandry is the same ..
I just changed out all of their substrate to the reptichip coconut husk today also.
Back when I had carpet python I had one snake that for some reason always had weird sheds , I would put moss inside her hid and that was basically a humidity shed box . Is there any issue with me doing this with my bp ?
Should I try a bath ?
Any help is appreciated guys
Thank you
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Here are the other two checkin out there new substrate for the first time https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...35e0b02633.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c7711e239a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c4ec4d3cdb.jpg
Don’t mind the temps and stuff the thermostat was just adjusting them because the new substrate altered the temps for a little until they evened out .
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
Have you tried a humidity box? You take some sopping wet towels and put them in a tub and let the snake work some of the stuck shed off themselves.
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Re: Having some issues PLEASE HELP need opinions and input .
I think you could stand to up the humidity without any major problems. :)
Have you tried letting the snook run through a damp towel in your hands?
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I think you could stand to up the humidity without any major problems. :)
Have you tried letting the snook run through a damp towel in your hands?
dr del
I have t tried that yet I’ll give it a go
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Have you tried a humidity box? You take some sopping wet towels and put them in a tub and let the snake work some of the stuck shed off themselves.
I’ve done it with moss with my carpet pythons and I have some terrarium moss in the box still , I just didn’t know if there was an issue with moss , but I could deff try paper towels
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