Good ombination?

So recently I bought my first snake, a Cinnamon Butter 100% Het G-Stripe/100% Het Ghost (Possible Enchi), and I was looking around for males to breed her with. I found a male from the same seller - with 6 traits (Butter, Cinnamon, Enchi, Super Pastel, 100% Het G-Stripe/100% Het Ghost).
I typed their traits into the breeding calculator thing and with the possible outcomes do these seem like a good combination?
https://i.imgur.com/tpBLAIJ.jpg

I could only screenshot a couple but they're all variations of those same things.

Also sorry for the typo in the title but my Mac flipped out for no reason and submitted it.

You just bought your first snake and are already planning to breed? Id really pump the brakes on that idea and learn a lot more about them before bringing more into the world. What are your breeding goals? Seems too many get into this for $, buy 20 snakes their first year then sell them all off by year 3/4 when they realize the work in planning, care, and then establishing a market for the offspring. Not to mention it gets really old for established breeders to have to help identify a clutch because the person relies on genetic wizard instead of knowing how to write a Punnett Square.

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I'm honestly so tired of hearing this crap. If I had a nickel for every time some high and mighty breeder on this site accused a budding enthusiast of being in it for the money, I could split it amongst everybody who it was directed to and we'd all be rich. How about instead of assuming what I know and what my reasons for breeding are, you answer the actual question? "If i didn't ask your opinion, I don't want it."

I'm not planning to breed for profit, I want to raise them. I only plan on buying one more male and then no more breeders. I love ball pythons, I love my snake, and I love different kinds of morphs. I don't care what morph the offspring is because it doesn't matter - I'm not selling them. I know how to write a :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:ing punnett square because I'm not an absolute idiot. Congratulations on taking 6th grade biology like everyone else, it really gives you the right the the condescending attitude.

I am perfectly aware of the care that goes into owning and raising snakes - that really isn't the problem here. If you and everyone else got off your high horse and stopped assuming everyone is an idiot solely because they aren't an established breeder. I've bred snakes, I've raised snakes, I've cared for snakes. When I say "first snake" I mean the first snake that has truly been mine. I saved up money for her and I give her the absolute best care I can - she is the first snake I have BOUGHT myself.

And yes, I am "already planning" to breed. You completely contradicted yourself. You insult people for planning too far ahead and insult people for not planning enough. None of you even know what you think, all you want to do is insult new hobbyists for being lesser than you when there was a time each and every one of you were new.

Your assumptions are terrible and pretentious, and if I wanted to kill myself I could just jump from your conclusions to the ground. It was a simple question asking for the opinions of other breeders, and if you can't even answer the only thing originally asked - just don't give your opinion.

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Originally Posted by AmericanTacos

I'm honestly so tired of hearing this crap. If I had a nickel for every time some high and mighty breeder on this site accused a budding enthusiast of being in it for the money, I could split it amongst everybody who it was directed to and we'd all be rich. How about instead of assuming what I know and what my reasons for breeding are, you answer the actual question? "If i didn't ask your opinion, I don't want it."

I'm not planning to breed for profit, I want to raise them. I only plan on buying one more male and then no more breeders. I love ball pythons, I love my snake, and I love different kinds of morphs. I don't care what morph the offspring is because it doesn't matter - I'm not selling them. I know how to write a :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:ing punnett square because I'm not an absolute idiot. Congratulations on taking 6th grade biology like everyone else, it really gives you the right the the condescending attitude.

I am perfectly aware of the care that goes into owning and raising snakes - that really isn't the problem here. If you and everyone else got off your high horse and stopped assuming everyone is an idiot solely because they aren't an established breeder. I've bred snakes, I've raised snakes, I've cared for snakes. When I say "first snake" I mean the first snake that has truly been mine. I saved up money for her and I give her the absolute best care I can - she is the first snake I have BOUGHT myself.

And yes, I am "already planning" to breed. You completely contradicted yourself. You insult people for planning too far ahead and insult people for not planning enough. None of you even know what you think, all you want to do is insult new hobbyists for being lesser than you when there was a time each and every one of you were new.

Your assumptions are terrible and pretentious, and if I wanted to kill myself I could just jump from your conclusions to the ground. It was a simple question asking for the opinions of other breeders, and if you can't even answer the only thing originally asked - just don't give your opinion.

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Seriously????? Cool your jets. This is a public forum where you asked for advice. If you want to be childish and react that way please choose another outlet. This forum is not intended to be a battlefield. There's no need for the outrage or the swearing.

You're right, "I typed their traits into the breeding calculator thing" sounds like you know your stuff and how punnetts squares work so I apologize. If selling and identification are not your goals then how should anyone else be able to know what a "good combination" would be for you? Breed for what YOU like since you plan to keep the whole clutch. There are plenty of popular morphs out there that I dont like so I dont work with the genes just the same as there are morphs I work with that Im sure other people think are meh.

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OUCH!

Sigh..... well I think OP has a point or 2 but what an attitude? You asked for help and an advocate for the animals spoke up trying to help you. No need to be rude. I don't always agree with craigafrechette but one thing I can say about him is he loves the animals. To AmericanTacos You should be more clear about your experience before posing as a noob and that way you wont look like a total moron posting "Just got my first snake" fallowed by "breeding". I see none thing wrong with the response craigafrechette gave you. He meant well and the advice was sound for a noob taking the same approach.

WOW That's the craziest combo I've ever heard of! You could get a double super, double co-dom and double recessive all in one snake! You could probably breed that pair for the rest of your life and never get the same snake twice. With odds of 1 in 512 with an average of 6 eggs per clutch it could take you 85 clutches (or 85 years) to hit that combo on top! I bet it would be fun to try to figure out what all the hatchlings are, my guess is you would have to prove out a lot of them to know for sure, especially if you hit the 'Super Butter' which is an all white snake, it would probably mask the rest of the genes. You would get some cool Silver Bullet combos too (Super Cinnamon + Pastel). And everything would be at least Pastel (no Normals). That would be a fun pair to breed!

**searching *** where did i put my popcorn......

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Originally Posted by AmericanTacos

just don't give your opinion.

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but you did ask for opinions.......

"I am perfectly aware of the care that goes into owning and raising snakes - that really isn't the problem here. If you and everyone else got off your high horse and stopped assuming everyone is an idiot solely because they aren't an established breeder. I've bred snakes, I've raised snakes, I've cared for snakes. When I say "first snake" I mean the first snake that has truly been mine. I saved up money for her and I give her the absolute best care I can - she is the first snake I have BOUGHT myself. "

OP i dont want you think think I'm picking on you because my immediate concern is only for the well being of any pet in someones care but just want to point out that lying about your experience and knowledge doesn't help anyone see things from your side. We all started somewhere, but for future reference, your previous posts are easily visible so we can all see that just 2 months ago you asked what "in blue" means and what "proven" means among numerous other basic questions that you would already know if most of your rant were true. Good luck with whatever route you chose.

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I’m just waiting on Deb to pop up on here [emoji23] *chugs another beer and lights up a cig* hey pass the popcorn!


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Originally Posted by AmericanTacos

I know how to write a (Blank)ing punnett square because I'm not an absolute idiot. Congratulations on taking 6th grade biology like everyone else, it really gives you the right the the condescending attitude.

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I would actually love to see you fill out a 5x6 punnet square (with percentages).... I watched my GF almost fail a genetics class (college) due to having to hand write 3x10 squares for cattle/pig breeding..... but you got this......

Yeah welcome to the world of reptiles where everybody hates everyone for everything.:salute: And yes that's looks like really good pairing. I'd say go for it.

Wow... ok then....

To answer your question, the only issue I'd see with this pairing would be that super cinnamons can have kinked spines and facial deformities, and super butters can have eye deformities on occasion.

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Originally Posted by Alter-Echo

Wow... ok then....

To answer your question, the only issue I'd see with this pairing would be that super cinnamons can have kinked spines and facial deformities, and super butters can have eye deformities on occasion.

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Isn't research wonderful!!!!!

Careful OP might consider you an elitist breeder for knowing something.

1. i am not a breeder but if i had a nickel for every time some new snakekeeper on this site ask the most basic husbandry or genetic questions, i could split it amongst everybody who it was directed to and we'd all be rich!

2. don't say "If I didn't ask your opinion, I don't want it" in a public forum. if u want to pick and choose who to get opinions, feedback and advice from - u should PM them. but since u made a public thread, peeps are free to chime in and post whatever they want. like me, i want to post these pink tacos b/c your forum handle makes me laugh and it's Taco Tuesday:

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-food-pics.jpg

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Originally Posted by AmericanTacos

Your assumptions are terrible and pretentious, and if I wanted to kill myself I could just jump from your conclusions to the ground.

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Please call 1-800-273-8255 if u need help and/or need to talk to a profession. that's a strong statement to make.

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Originally Posted by AmericanTacos

It was a simple question asking for the opinions of other breeders, and if you can't even answer the only thing originally asked - just don't give your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Alter-Echo

To answer your question, the only issue I'd see with this pairing would be that super cinnamons can have kinked spines and facial deformities, and super butters can have eye deformities on occasion.

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^ this. do u want to risk having deformed bb snakes? are u prepared to care for them or put them down?

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Originally Posted by Skyrivers

Isn't research wonderful!!!!!

Careful OP might consider you an elitist breeder for knowing something.

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I'm an elitist breeder now? This means I need to start a YouTube channel and need to sell my snakes for twice the price of everyone else! Oh, and I'm gonna buy out reptichip, slap my face on it, and sell it for 40 bucks a brick! Look out world! Here comes echochips!

@ AmericanTacos, what Calculator did you use, I would like to add it onto my list of Calculators I use.

To the OP:

People have cautioned you as to the potential for kinking with SuperCinny but no one has mentioned that with SuperButter you have the potential for bug-eyes.

Also something to consider, with SuperButter you will very likely end up in a position where you have no clue what other genes the animal may be carrying. Is the white snake you get from a clutch a SuperButter SuperCinny Enchi Pastel GStripe Hypo or is it just a SuperButter??? Do you want to hold it back to breed it out to find out? If you want to sell it then how do you market it?

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Originally Posted by Reptilius

@ AmericanTacos, what Calculator did you use, I would like to add it onto my list of Calculators I use.

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That is the calculator from MorphMarket. My only caution with it is that it does not do well with a couple of the heteroallelic supers (BlkHead/Spider... Cinny/Huffman...) but it is a lot more friendly than most of the others

cchardwick
Thank you! I think they would be cool to breed as well - I made the simple mistake of asking whether there might be a better combo to pair her with but the more I think the more I'm set on this one. And I already know the breeder which makes me more comfortable with it

Scherf
Have fun with your popcorn but after this post I'm responding to any more stupid, petty comments. Not that your comments were stupid or petty but many on this little thread are. And yes, I did ask for opinions but what I got was the equivalent of this:
Person 1: Hey I'm headed to the grocery store should I pick up some ice cream?
Person 2: ACTUALLY you need to RESEARCH before you go around just purchasing food you know nothing about! You're not a REAL ice cream lover and you're not responsible enough to OWN ice cream yet... how about you actually THINK before you go out buying frozen goods when you probably don't even know how to MAKE ice cream.
And I'm sorry your girlfriend can't fill out a Punnett square... but that's not my problem.


Hannahshissyfix
I was not lying in any post I made. This is the first snake that exclusively and solely belongs to me. I have always had shared responsibility of pet BP's before now. My parents had many snakes, and took great care of them, and I was raised knowing their way of caring for them. I was hyper-concerned about getting her in case the information I had grown up on was not correct, because I want to take absolutely perfect care of my animal. I personally don't think double checking my information is cause for scorn. Next time I will make SURE to head blindly into a commitment without ANY fact checking ^.^

EDR
Thank you! I'm trying very hard to find another place to connect with reptile lovers - I've found a very nice group on Instagram. I've stopped censoring myself on this website a bit because I don't particularly care whether I get banned. While there are some very nice people here, 90% of users seem to be exactly how I've described before... I just love the site's format.

Alter-Echo
Thanks for your info! I'll definitely research that and take it into consideration. I'm planning on talking to the breeders about the snake's lines and asking about any deformities in the past with their lineage.

asplundii
I'm not actually planning on selling any offspring. It's always been my dream to have a reptile room and be surrounded by snakes, and I figured breeding such a diverse combination would be better than buying snakes from many different breeders. And I mentioned to the person above i'm going to be contacting the original breeders to ask if there's been any problems like that with their lines. There's still the risk even if there hasn't been any problems, but I'll feel more comfortable if there haven't been.

Aaaand I'm officially only responding to people whose opinions matter or are relevant to my original post.

Thank you to the people who actually contributed their thoughts to the question I actually ASKED... to everyone else... I hope you had fun and I hope you have many wonderful, uneducated arguments to come ^.^