Thermostats have my head spinning...

I’m ready to make the plunge and get better thermostats. I don’t want to be worried about some cheap therm cooking a snake! I can’t have that on my head. I’m buying a few nice snakes I have nice enclosures I don’t want to cheap out on therms and Cause myself stress and issues.

Here is my confusion. I’m going to be running three separate pvc enclosures. All three have a RHP and a UTH. 2 will be stacked on one side of the room. The other will most likely be on the other side of the room or possibly on the opposite wall.

I guess I’m worried about having one therm running all 3 tanks because if there is an issue then all 3 tanks go down. But it is more expensive to get say 3 herp 2s....

My other thinking is what if I just went with 6 herp 1s. Even if one failed on the heat mat say. At least the RHP is running.

I really want to do this once and only once. But I’m confused as to what the right move is. I was thinking maybe just a herp 2 for each enclosure or the 6 herp 1s as just said. Any input aside or direction would be great. Thanks !!


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i have 2 Herpstat intro+ and one VE 300 (single input); my T8 runs on a Herpstat 2 Redline. it's worth buying the stand-alone (whether 1 or 2 input) thermostats IMO; they can be used for anything and you don't need to sink money you don't need to.

EDIT: i run a rack on heat tape with a Herpstat Intro+, Corny's 20gal on a Herpstat Intro+, Peach Sun Tea's Q tub on a VE300, and Yellow's RHP and UTH on a Herpstat 2 Redline

Herpstat is the gold standard. I'm going to try a couple of their new ones with 6 ports. Looks awesome.

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I had the same issue years ago. I bought like 3 Herpstat 1 and 2 Herpstat 2. Then when the Herpstat 6 came out, i sold off all my Herpstats except for my Herpstat 1 redline and bought 2 Herpstat 6. My advice is get the biggest one you can afford. I never had a problem with even my old Herpstats. If for some reason, something goes funky and you have to send it in, you can just buy a couple jump starts and daisy chain them for a week. I have 3 Jump starts laying around which i use for quarantine tanks anyways.

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Herpstat is the gold standard. I'm going to try a couple of their new ones with 6 ports. Looks awesome.

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They are awesome, I run 2 of them and a Herpstat 1 Redline :D

What’s the main difference between the ez and then the digital. Is it just a nicer display ?

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What’s the main difference between the ez and then the digital. Is it just a nicer display ?

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Havent looked myself but i am going to guess the passive safeties and mechanical relay to shut off power in case of a channel or unit failure. I know anything under the Herpstat 1 does NOT have the mechanical relay.

And the main reason to buy a t-stat is for the safeties and to have it shut down in the off position on failure and not run wide open lol.

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What’s the main difference between the ez and then the digital. Is it just a nicer display ?

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Havent looked myself but i am going to guess the passive safeties and mechanical relay to shut off power in case of a channel or unit failure. I know anything under the Herpstat 1 does NOT have the mechanical relay.

And the main reason to buy a t-stat is for the safeties and to have it shut down in the off position on failure and not run wide open lol.

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the EZ has the main safety relay that shuts the system off if it fails internally. it just doesn't have the internal memory if it turns off or power outage detection. or the backlit LCD screen and the ability to manually input an exact temp.

EDIT: the Intro+ (which is "under" the Herpstat 1) also has the internal safety relay.

EDIT 2: here is the main difference between the EZ and the Intro+; this is what the Intro+ has

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Built in Safety Relay on Herpstat Intro+ models to help protect against solid state failures causing "run away" heating.

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the EZ has the main safety relay that shuts the system off if it fails internally. it just doesn't have the internal memory if it turns off or power outage detection. or the backlit LCD screen and the ability to manually input an exact temp.

EDIT: the Intro+ (which is "under" the Herpstat 1) also has the internal safety relay.

EDIT 2: here is the main difference between the EZ and the Intro+; this is what the Intro+ has

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Ah, they changed them then. The older models from years ago didnt have the mechanical relay except for models from Herpstat 1 and on. Looks like they all got it now.

But isn’t the ez just a crank dial. So if it’s set at 90 and power fails then it comes back it still sits at 90.

So the ez will shut down of too hot ?

The difference between 3 herp 2 or a herp 4 and herp 2 is only like $30. I’m tempted to go 3 herp 2.

But the savings in the ez2 and the herp 2 is $55 a pop or $165. Big jump.

I dont really care care about the digital stuff. As long as it will run my RHP properly and UTH. And not cook anything I’m good

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Ah, they changed them then. The older models from years ago didnt have the mechanical relay except for models from Herpstat 1 and on. Looks like they all got it now.

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i bought my first Herpstat (Intro+) right after they introduced it. i love the Intro+.

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But isn’t the ez just a crank dial.

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yes.

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So if it’s set at 90 and power fails then it comes back it still sits at 90.

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it will not turn back on after a power failure if i'm correct.

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So the ez will shut down of too hot ?

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it will turn off if something within itself fails, whether motherboard or fuse or something else.

Now the Vivarium 300 x2 and the herp 2 are both basically the same price so now what lol

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Now the Vivarium 300 x2 and the herp 2 are both basically the same price so now what lol

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i have both brands, and IMO Herpstats are designed much better in both form and function. they will both do the exact same job and TBH you can't go wrong either way.

So those cheap brands like the jump start for instance. They don’t kill power or auto shut off if it gets too hot ?

i know you get what you pay for and there is a reason they are cheap just curious what it is? Is it just the on off feature or what

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So those cheap brands like the jump start for instance. They don’t kill power or auto shut off if it gets too hot ?

i know you get what you pay for and there is a reason they are cheap just curious what it is? Is it just the on off feature or what

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an on/off thermostat usually has a 2° Δ (delta) which means, if the thermostat is set to 90°, it will run full blast until it hits 92°, then shut off until 88° F, and repeat. these cheap thermostats are, well, cheap, and are not made to run at these full-blast and quit conditions all day long for years like we need and are prone to fail under these conditions. since they don't have an internal safety relay to tell it that something is wrong, it will fail and run full blast 100% and cook the animal.

a proportional thermostat adjust the power output; instead of running at either 100% or 0% (i.e. on/off) it runs at 15%-45% all the time. it also can tell itself if something is wrong and turn off, instead of just running on.

Thank you so much for all the help !!

i just need to decide to I go herp 6. Herp 4 and 2. Or 3 herp 2

i feel like I find more peace of mind in the separation factor.

If thag 6 fails for an odd reason then all three tanks are down.

Alsk if if I ever needed to move one or separate I can

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So those cheap brands like the jump start for instance. They don’t kill power or auto shut off if it gets too hot ?

i know you get what you pay for and there is a reason they are cheap just curious what it is? Is it just the on off feature or what

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Correct.. They fail and fail Wide open i hear..
As far as Herpstats.. Things to be considered. If your not having 3 enclosures stacked then you need a separate tstat for that 3rd enclosure that will be across the room. If I were you id never skimp on a Tstat. Lets say you want to go away for a long weekend, Friday thru Sunday. You cant afford to worry about power going out for 5 min and your Tstat not coming back on.
I say grab a Herpstat 4 for the two enclosures stacked and a Herpstat 2 for the other enclosure across the room. Unlike the EZ there are several safety settings. I have mine so if a problem occurs on a channel ONLY that channel will shut off keeping all other heat sources going. That would mean your RHP or UTH would still be available. If there is a power outage it will come back on just as it was set.. You cant go wrong. Yes more money, but just as I have good brakes and tires on my Dump Truck, I wont sacrifice safety for my pets either.

Remember this is also based on 2 heating units per enclosure, thats double the Tstat cost as using just a RHP. I never asked you what your coolest home temps are? As you know I only use RHP's... If your house is 68 Minimum at night then thats a option for you too, it would save you around $300+ also.


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Correct.. They fail and fail Wide open i hear..
As far as Herpstats.. Things to be considered. If your not having 3 enclosures stacked then you need a separate tstat for that 3rd enclosure that will be across the room. If I were you id never skimp on a Tstat. Lets say you want to go away for a long weekend, Friday thru Sunday. You cant afford to worry about power going out for 5 min and your Tstat not coming back on.
I say grab a Herpstat 4 for the two enclosures stacked and a Herpstat 2 for the other enclosure across the room. Unlike the EZ there are several safety settings. I have mine so if a problem occurs on a channel ONLY that channel will shut off keeping all other heat sources going. That would mean your RHP or UTH would still be available. If there is a power outage it will come back on just as it was set.. You cant go wrong. Yes more money, but just as I have good brakes and tires on my Dump Truck, I wont sacrifice safety for my pets either.

Remember this is also based on 2 heating units per enclosure, thats double the Tstat cost as using just a RHP. I never asked you what your coolest home temps are? As you know I only use RHP's... If your house is 68 Minimum at night then thats a option for you too, it would save you around $300+ also.


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Thanks calm all great points. My apt is usually around 70 I’d say. Give or take a degree or two.

I’m just thinking for the extra $30 or so to get 3 herp 2 that way if I ever want to delegate the 2 stacked I can.

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Thanks calm all great points. My apt is usually around 70 I’d say. Give or take a degree or two.

I’m just thinking for the extra $30 or so to get 3 herp 2 that way if I ever want to delegate the 2 stacked I can.

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Thats correct.. I run Herp 2's myself for that reason. My 8' enclosure is in a different room and downstairs.
Well if your in a apartment at this point you never know what the future holds. If you move and cant keep the place heated 68+ then at that point the heat tape would be a good idea.. Another words dont skimp on the Herpstat 2's even if you only use 1 heat source per enclosure for now. Get the Herp 2's so if you have a future home/apt that is cooler or to expensive to heat you just plug in some heat tape to your herp 2's instead of not having that option if you ran single channel tstats [emoji1360]
My home Thermostat is automatic & programmed to drop to 60 at night and 70 days to help cut heating costs.. And in the summer it runs AC at 64 degrees 24/7. I cant stand being warm after I'm in the Sun Burning all day.
Anyways sounds like you know everything you need to so just think about it a bit before your decide.


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Now the Vivarium 300 x2 and the herp 2 are both basically the same price so now what lol

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VEs are all pulse proportional. The only dimming model of VE is the 200D which is what the "D" denotes.

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So those cheap brands like the jump start for instance. They don’t kill power or auto shut off if it gets too hot ?

i know you get what you pay for and there is a reason they are cheap just curious what it is? Is it just the on off feature or what

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Supposedly i think Jumpstarts will kill power if they get over 110F or something like that.

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Thank you so much for all the help !!

i just need to decide to I go herp 6. Herp 4 and 2. Or 3 herp 2

i feel like I find more peace of mind in the separation factor.

If thag 6 fails for an odd reason then all three tanks are down.

Alsk if if I ever needed to move one or separate I can

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If i had to re do it all over, i would have saved myself all the cash just got got the two Hersptat 6 to begin with. But my excuse is they didnt have them when i bought all my other Herpstats.

You also got to remember, if you with all those smaller Herpstats, you need a lot of available wall outlets or run them all on a powerstrip.

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VEs are all pulse proportional. The only dimming model of VE is the 200D which is what the "D" denotes.

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Supposedly i think Jumpstarts will kill power if they get over 110F or something like that.

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Im nothing but a Herpstat Cheerleader so im on Repeat [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

The jumpstarts only go up to 108 and ive been testing one for a kid up the road for 3 weeks and so far i cant find any kind of safety on it or info about a saftey. I don't trust them for a full-time tstat. Id run them for quarantine only or as backups.


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Soooo odly enough with all this snow last night we had a power outtage. I'd say more of a surge where we lost it once for a minute or two and then an hour later it flickered.

My cheap therms didnt seem to miss a beat. They obviously went off when power went down but then they turned right back on and didn't loose settings or anything.

I guess I'm even more confused now. If these turn off when they get too hot and they shut off and come back on to same settings during an outtage what am I missing just the ramp up and down and all that ?

i guess a proper herpastat will prolong my RHP because it won't be a on off it will let it fire at lower usage.

The Herpstat EZ are way cool. If you like a digital display, then not so much. Personally I like the analog knob stuff!!! Like a MOOG synthesizer! lol

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EZ2 and Herpstat 2 will do identical regulation. Same code under the hood. The big differences are:

Herpstat 2 has:
Night drop with built in clock if you need to drop temps at night.

LCD allows setting exact tenths of a degree and you can see what it is actually getting to. The EZ2 does set in tenths under the hood and the LED indicator gives you a overall idea of temps.

H2 can show you your high and low temps. You can see how much power its applying.

H2 has the safety relay that can be set to turn off all outputs if a high or low alarm is breached.

So there are alot of features the H2 has over the EZ2 but not everyone needs those and as far as temperature control the EZ series is going to do the same job so its a great value. Plus some people just don't want to get involved in changing options in a menu. They want the ease of setting a knob and being done. :^)

If you have any other questions you can get a hold of me directly at sales@spyderrobotics.com

I answer all the emails for the company. :^)

Dion Brewington
Owner, Spyder Robotics

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