Just Regurged..

I just witnessed my banana ball regurging. The tub is right next to me so I heard weird sound and saw him doing this.. I thought he had muscle twitch or something cause his body was all weird.. but he did this. Provided a video link from youtube and pics of regurge. As for my husbandry, he was moved from 15 qt to 6 qt couple weeks ago since the size chart indicated that he could do well in 6 qt, he is 150 g. Hot side at 88-90. Cool side 77-80. Humidity level at 60-65%. He ate live adult mouse about 18g on 3/11 and 3/15. He had fine poop on 3/18 and 3/20 which is after meal. He is on 4 day schedule. Before 3/11, he refused 3 meals. And about a month ago, there was fur in his tub, I did not witness how that came out but it was pure fur, no poop or urate. Maybe that was also regurge? What could be causing him to regurge? Measured with temp gun, have herpstat thermostat, water fresh. I feel like this one is also a fur, from looking at it. Stomach problem? Maybe less handling? I don’t handle after he eats for two days, then like 5-10min a day for two days and feeding again. Help me! What is wrong with this baby!
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looks like a regurge from here...but you'd know one if you smelled it; they will literally smell like death.

you need to figure out what caused the regurge. regurgitations are caused by: not enough heat, bad feeder, a spook!, or too much handling before digestion.

in the meantime, your immediate actions are: no offering food for 3 weeks, keep water fresh, triple-check husbandry for like a week (multiple times a day if possible), and observe.

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

looks like a regurge from here...but you'd know one if you smelled it; they will literally smell like death.

you need to figure out what caused the regurge. regurgitations are caused by: not enough heat, bad feeder, a spook!, or too much handling before digestion.

in the meantime, your immediate actions are: no offering food for 3 weeks, keep water fresh, triple-check husbandry for like a week (multiple times a day if possible), and observe.

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Could this be vomiting? because from my search, regurge is something that hasn't reached the stomach to digest, but this he digested other parts but the fur and throwing that out. Since he pooped two times, feels like digestion happend but the fur did not get digested... I don't see any factors of him possibly doing it because, I don't consider him as bad feeder, husbandry I check 2~3 times a day, I don't handle him for 2 full days and even then, not so long. I am contacting the vets but so hard to find exotic vet.. one I know, she went somewhere for few months. Should I try offering him less often? I did feed him right sized meal but maybe he needs more time between feedings?

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Originally Posted by gusanr14

Could this be vomiting? because from my search, regurge is something that hasn't reached the stomach to digest, but this he digested other parts but the fur and throwing that out. Since he pooped two times, feels like digestion happend but the fur did not get digested... I don't see any factors of him possibly doing it because, I don't consider him as bad feeder, husbandry I check 2~3 times a day, I don't handle him for 2 full days and even then, not so long. I am contacting the vets but so hard to find exotic vet.. one I know, she went somewhere for few months.

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vomiting would happen immediately after swallowing. anything that comes back up instead of passing all the way through is a regurgitation. the definition of regurgitation explains partial digestion.

a bad feeder, meaning the prey item you fed might have been bad.

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

looks like a regurge from here...but you'd know one if you smelled it; they will literally smell like death.

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watch the video, he caught it regurging

That's a small tub for such a wide temp range but temps are usually the culpruit. Was this the 3/15 feeding? So 5 days after the fact?

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

vomiting would happen immediately after swallowing. anything that comes back up instead of passing all the way through is a regurgitation. the definition of regurgitation explains partial digestion.

a bad feeder, meaning the prey item you fed might have been bad.

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Okay, I understand. I already called vet, doctor is in a meeting but she will give me a call back later. I know it can happen, but considering that there was a fur last time too, makes me think this is second time he regurged.

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

watch the video, he caught it regurging

That's a small tub for such a wide temp range but temps are usually the culpruit. Was this the 3/15 feeding? So 5 days after the fact?

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so he was fed on 3/15, this happened today, 3/20. So 5 days after feeding. Yes, I thought that it seems small but I saw the tub size chart so I thought it would be fine. However, I am moving him to 15 qt tub so he can better thermoregulate.

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

watch the video, he caught it regurging

That's a small tub for such a wide temp range but temps are usually the culpruit. Was this the 3/15 feeding? So 5 days after the fact?

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i just started drinking my afternoon coffee, my reading comprehension will be back in a moment. that's totally a regurge.

EDIT: so 5 days after feeding did the snake regurge. okay.

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Originally Posted by gusanr14

so he was fed on 3/15, this happened today, 3/20. So 5 days after feeding. Yes, I thought that it seems small but I saw the tub size chart so I thought it would be fine. However, I am moving him to 15 qt tub so he can better thermoregulate.

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i'd like to see this chart you mention. for my own edification.

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

i'd like to see this chart you mention. for my own edification.

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Not like an official chart I guess, but saw from the forum while searching. It was 6 qt for hatchling to 200 g, then move up to 15 qt till like 500 ~600 g then 28/32 qt as adult. Females usually in 41 or bigger. He was and is at like 140~150 g so thought 6 qt could work for him. But I am out to buy 15 qt.

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Originally Posted by gusanr14

Not like an official chart I guess, but saw from the forum while searching. It was 6 qt for hatchling to 200 g, then move up to 15 qt till like 500 ~600 g then 28/32 qt as adult. Females usually in 41 or bigger. He was and is at like 140~150 g so thought 6 qt could work for him. But I am out to buy 15 qt.

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hahaha, interesting! i just never knew there was one out there. it sounds about right, if not a tad slow on when to move up in size. whatever works for you and the snake is what will work best.

back to the regurge: i've only dealt with one and i knew the exact cause and had a simple solution. i hope some others can offer more experienced advice.

I wonder if the heat failed for a short time?

Regardless, I would double check your temps.
Give the snake about 2 weeks with no food, to let them recover.
For the next feeding or two, feed something smaller than you normally would (I usually go 1/2 the size of the 'normal' feeder size).
You may want to buy some Nutribac to help replenish gut bacteria. It's worked for me the times I've had to deal with regurge.
The time I had one regurge 5 days after feeding it was because my heat source had failed (went off).

If after waiting the 2 weeks and feeding something smaller, the regurge happens again and you are positive your temps were on point, deff. go to the vet.

Wishing you the best for a smooth recovery!

Hwo big of food are you feeding it? I was told this sometimes can happen if the snake is not used to a big meal. Its not a full on regurgitation as in undigested food and smells like death, its just more or less a hair ball that doesnt really smell like anything. If that is what it is, then wait a couple weeks and feed smaller prey until the snake is used to the size.

Happens more in BCC than is BPs but i would assume the same can be applied.

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

I wonder if the heat failed for a short time?

Regardless, I would double check your temps.
Give the snake about 2 weeks with no food, to let them recover.
For the next feeding or two, feed something smaller than you normally would (I usually go 1/2 the size of the 'normal' feeder size).
You may want to buy some Nutribac to help replenish gut bacteria. It's worked for me the times I've had to deal with regurge.
The time I had one regurge 5 days after feeding it was because my heat source had failed (went off).

If after waiting the 2 weeks and feeding something smaller, the regurge happens again and you are positive your temps were on point, deff. go to the vet.

Wishing you the best for a smooth recovery!

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Yea, I am on break so I was home every day after his last meal. I set alaram on my herpstat so there shouldn’t have been a problem. I will probably wait and try smaller meal,


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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Hwo big of food are you feeding it? I was told this sometimes can happen if the snake is not used to a big meal. Its not a full on regurgitation as in undigested food and smells like death, its just more or less a hair ball that doesnt really smell like anything. If that is what it is, then wait a couple weeks and feed smaller prey until the snake is used to the size.

Happens more in BCC than is BPs but i would assume the same can be applied.

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I did feed him little bigger than he fed before but it wasn’t that noticeable. Seemed about the right size.


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Can't see how long there was between eating and it coming back up BUT the mouse came out head first suggesting it was swallowed TAIL first , found that he the reason ? It's not going to slide down very smoothly with the back legs sticking out all the way down ...

Just a thought


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Originally Posted by Zincubus

Can't see how long there was between eating and it coming back up

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5 days

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5 days

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Every 4 days for that little snake is to much i say.. I told you a month ago when you got it once a week or 10-14 days was good. I haven't had these problems thankfully except once 10 years ago and he was fine after that so i cant give any advice.


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5 day regurg should raise concern. Need to check to make sure there is not organ failure, parasites, virus, etc causing this. This might be best check by a vet.

If all is well aside form just a regurgitation then you need to wait 2 weeks minimum, feed one smaller prey, wait two weeks again, feed normal size and use a product like nutribac to restore normal gut flow.

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Originally Posted by CALM Pythons

Every 4 days for that little snake is to much i say.. I told you a month ago when you got it once a week or 10-14 days was good.

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i told OP 7 days as well.

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Originally Posted by SDA

5 day regurg should raise concern. Need to check to make sure there is not organ failure, parasites, virus, etc causing this. This might be best check by a vet.

If all is well aside form just a regurgitation then you need to wait 2 weeks minimum, feed one smaller prey, wait two weeks again, feed normal size and use a product like nutribac to restore normal gut flow.

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Vet and I decided to watch him little more than do check up if it happens again. Do they sell that nutribac product in reptile store? Or is it prescription?


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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Hwo big of food are you feeding it? I was told this sometimes can happen if the snake is not used to a big meal. Its not a full on regurgitation as in undigested food and smells like death, its just more or less a hair ball that doesnt really smell like anything. If that is what it is, then wait a couple weeks and feed smaller prey until the snake is used to the size.

Happens more in BCC than is BPs but i would assume the same can be applied.

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Agree, the meal looks mostly digested.

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Originally Posted by gusanr14

Vet and I decided to watch him little more than do check up if it happens again. Do they sell that nutribac product in reptile store? Or is it prescription?

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You can buy it online.
I get mine from bean farm : https://beanfarm.com/products/nutrib...nt=24905368073

I personally wouldnt worry. Just wait a couple week, make sure your husbandry is good like temps, humidity, security etc and try again but with a smaller size which you should do anyways with any regurg.

Now if the snake pukes up a second small meal, then i would have it checked out.

As April said, don't feed for two weeks. Offer a half-sized meal dusted with Nutribac.

If all goes well wait two weeks and offer a half-sized meal again that has been dusted with Nutribac.

If all goes well wait one week and offer a half-sized meal that has been dusted with Nutribac.

If all goes well wait one week and offer a normal-sized meal. Keep the snake on a 7-10 day schedule from now on.

If the snake regurges again during this process, call the vet.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

As April said, don't feed for two weeks. Offer a half-sized meal dusted with Nutribac.

If all goes well wait two weeks and offer a half-sized meal again that has been dusted with Nutribac.

If all goes well wait one week and offer a half-sized meal that has been dusted with Nutribac.

If all goes well wait one week and offer a normal-sized meal. Keep the snake on a 7-10 day schedule from now on.

If the snake regurges again during this process, call the vet.

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Would you say nutribac is essential and necessary?


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Hi,

Did you remove his hide for the video?

Had you handled him or otherwise disturbed him just before he regurged?

I may be off the mark but the fact you were videoing him before the regurge started hints at possible stressors as a direct cause.

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Hi,

Did you remove his hide for the video?

Had you handled him or otherwise disturbed him just before he regurged?

I may be off the mark but the fact you were videoing him before the regurge started hints at possible stressors as a direct cause.

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Oh yes, Like I mentioned, his tub is right next to my desk so I could see him when he roams around. I heard some weird sound and he had his mouth opened. so I opened the tub and removed the hide to see his whole body. I didn’t video him before the regurge, but started after I realized something was wrong.


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should I keep him on live food? since that was what he was eating? I was actually trying to switch him to f/t this week, but he refused one. Should I go back to live until I am sure he is healthy?

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Originally Posted by gusanr14

should I keep him on live food? since that was what he was eating? I was actually trying to switch him to f/t this week, but he refused one. Should I go back to live until I am sure he is healthy?

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I would go ahead and try f/t. After two weeks he should be good and hungry. Also, if you feed them wet that helps to hydrate your snake, and the Nutribac sticks to it very well.

I would go ahead and get the Nutribac, it's one of those things that's good to have on-hand if you keep herps, same as F10 and Vetericyn.

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Originally Posted by gusanr14

Would you say nutribac is essential and necessary?


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You have been a bit harsh. Keep in mind we were all new. I know it is repeating knowledge. Be kind. ;)

Should I not handle him at all during the time of inspecting he eats and not regurgitating for few feedings? so about 1~2 months of no handling?

I would not handle at all. You need to not feed for two weeks so I would not handle at all. Let him be stress free. I know it is hard but you have 25+ years with your baby. A few weeks to a month is nothing. Let's get the baby healthy ok.

Actually the only time i have ever used a probiotic was for my beardie when i had to syringe feed her baby food mixed with probiotic while she was on baytril as that stuff is pretty harsh. But then again, i have never had a snake regurg on me.

But also if i need it, i live fairly close to Bean Farm so i could just run there and pick it up. Also my vet stocks it so i could swing by there and pick up a little container of it lol.

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I would not handle at all. You need to not feed for two weeks so I would not handle at all. Let him be stress free. I know it is hard but you have 25+ years with your baby. A few weeks to a month is nothing. Let's get the baby healthy ok.

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yea, that is not a problem :) just wanted to make sure. I have reptile prime bedding coming in tomorrow, not sure if I should change the substrate tomorrow or later since it could be a stress?? idk haha.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Actually the only time i have ever used a probiotic was for my beardie when i had to syringe feed her baby food mixed with probiotic while she was on baytril as that stuff is pretty harsh. But then again, i have never had a snake regurg on me.

But also if i need it, i live fairly close to Bean Farm so i could just run there and pick it up. Also my vet stocks it so i could swing by there and pick up a little container of it lol.

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Can't find much info but I will probably contact some stores if they have it or not before ordering.

I haven't read all of the posts, but has anyone recommended Nutribac to the OP yet? I recently had a snake with regurgitation issues and I treated his water with Nutribac for about a month and a half to help him replenish gut flora from regurgitating. Also, make sure there aren't any cold drafts blowing on his enclosure from anywhere...

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You have been a bit harsh. Keep in mind we were all new. I know it is repeating knowledge. Be kind. ;)

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Im not being harsh at all. Ive spent hours/days PMing this young man and hours explaining what to do step by step. From the time when he was buying the snake until he set his first tub up/how to heat/first feeding/Husbandry 101.
People will ask 100 common sense questions they could have read about themselves then after everyone takes their time to help they question the importance of what you've explained! Then they dont follow the directions and post another thread about the problems they're having because they didn't follow anyone's advice. Thats insanity.



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Originally Posted by CALM Pythons

Im not being harsh at all. Ive spent hours/days PMing this young man and hours explaining what to do step by step. From the time when he was buying the snake until he set his first tub up/how to heat/first feeding/Husbandry 101.
People will ask 100 common sense questions they could have read about themselves then after everyone takes their time to help they question the importance of what you've explained! Then they dont follow the directions and post another thread about the problems they're having because they didn't follow anyone's advice. Thats insanity.



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then I totally stand corrected. I had not had all the facts.

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I haven't read all of the posts, but has anyone recommended Nutribac to the OP yet? I recently had a snake with regurgitation issues and I treated his water with Nutribac for about a month and a half to help him replenish gut flora from regurgitating. Also, make sure there aren't any cold drafts blowing on his enclosure from anywhere...

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Someone did recommend me that, but with feeder dusting. Do I do both water and feeder?


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The directions on the Nutribac say to dissolve the powder in the water. I prefer to sprinkle a pinch of the powder onto a damp f/t feeder as it's difficult to monitor a snake's water intake. By putting it on the feeder you know the snake is ingesting it.

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Originally Posted by gusanr14

Someone did recommend me that, but with feeder dusting. Do I do both water and feeder?


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The directions on the Nutribac actually say, "Never allow powder to mix in water (caking occurs)"... It's intended use is to dust the rodents with it before feeding, but I had kept my snake off of food for about 6 weeks since he had regurgitated 3 times. So, I was mixing it in his water (about 1 tablespoon per 2 cups of water apx.) and I would give him fresh treated water about every 2 - 3 days. Just be sure to mix it up really good and keep a close eye on his water dish. If you see it starting to cake up or notice anything starting to grow in the water (and it will), re-treat some fresh water. You can also mix up about 1 gram of Nutribac with a little water and syringe it directly down his throat of you're comfortable doing that. I had the vet do it for me while I had him there just to make sure he got a nice healthy dose of the Nutribac in addition to treating his water. If I were you, I would give your snake a whole month off of food, as was recommended to me by many here at the forum. I didn't follow that advice at first and that's why my snake ended up regurgitating 3 times. Other than that, just make sure that your temperatures and humidity are spot on and make absolutely certain that you don't have any cold drafts in the room that could be blowing on/in his enclosure. Cold drafts from a door and window in my snake room is what caused my poor boy to start regurgitating and also caused another snake to get an RI at the same time...

PS As others have already mentioned, when you start feeding your snake again only give him really small prey every 2 weeks and slowly build him back up to his regular prey size and feeding schedule over the course of a couple of months. It's fine if he loses some weight. What is most important is that he doesn't keep regurgitating...

Was doing some research, and came across something about gut flora. I don't know if this is true or not, but it said, snake will produce stomach acid when the food is actually in the stomach. I just saw several of this quote, so was wondering if it is true fact or not. I am still waiting for 2 weeks to feed him again, but writing this to check if anyone know of this info.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Hwo big of food are you feeding it? I was told this sometimes can happen if the snake is not used to a big meal. Its not a full on regurgitation as in undigested food and smells like death, its just more or less a hair ball that doesnt really smell like anything. If that is what it is, then wait a couple weeks and feed smaller prey until the snake is used to the size.

Happens more in BCC than is BPs but i would assume the same can be applied.

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thank you for this reply, I just had the same thing happen to one of mine and I introduced to just a size bigger than what he was getting and he did the same thing. It didn’t smell like death like people claim regurges do just had a mild unpleasant smell and looked just like this one.

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Originally Posted by CoxJaden

thank you for this reply, I just had the same thing happen to one of mine and I introduced to just a size bigger than what he was getting and he did the same thing. It didn’t smell like death like people claim regurges do just had a mild unpleasant smell and looked just like this one.

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Guess the smell gets worse over time ...


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Guess the smell gets worse over time ...


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I think the more digested they are, the worse they smell. A regurge that happens shortly after a snake eats would be much better than one that's a couple days in the digestive tract, like when the snake was too cool to digest, or when there's some sort of illness going on.