Tub setup help

Hello, so today I set up my tub set up and had few question. So I’ll start with info. It’s a 24 inch by 14 by 16. Heat pad on bottom(know it’s not recommended let’s skip that part. This all I can get right now), thermometer and hygrometer, another thermometer and a Zilla thermostat. So first question is what is proper heating through out whole setup?? The heat pad is set to 90 but is showing 100 with my heat gun. The ambient temp is only 70. And I can’t tell if my snake can breather right with only these holes. I see other tub setups with less holes then he has. Please just give some tip, advice, or answer some question f my questions. Would love to finish setting his tub up tonight
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Not a super expert but have been dealing with tub set up for months and asking questions thousand times etc lol
I have a perfect tub set ups at this point.

As for heat pad/tape, as long as it is controlled by trustable thermostat it should not matter.
First, where is the thermostat probe located to reach that 90 degrees? it is recommended that the probe is in direct contact with the heat pad, under the tub, so sandwich the probe between pad and tub. Then, you want to adjust your thermostat so that the surface temperature "inside the tub" reaches 90 degrees on hot spot. You have to keep measuring with temp gun and adjust thermostat. For example, if you set thermostat to 90 degrees and when you measure the actual surface temp of the tub at like 95 or something, you lower the thermostat to have proper temp inside the tub. Heat mat does get hotter than what you set your thermostat to because probe is not only measuring the heat pad temp but air around it which is not a problem, at least for me. As long as you have a proper hot spot inside the tub, it shouldn't be a problem. Plastic shouldn't melt as long as it is controlled.

The ambient temp part was the problem I had before setting up my tub. I thought heat pad would help out a little with ambient temp, but guess what it barely does. So never rely on heat pad for ambient temp. For tubs, the actual room that the tub is in has to be at certain temp. If your room is 70, tub ambient will be around 70. You have to either use heater in your house, or space heater to higher the room temp. For me, when I set my space heater to 75 degrees, the temp inside the tub goes up to 78 degrees. I guess they trap in heat a little but not for long so space heater are always on during winter. Summer shouldn't be a problem because the weather is really hot most days. If hear can't be used, I had some advice from other people about a heat lamp with lamp stand to make the air hot around the tub but not too sure on this because I've never tried it.

Holes, they will breathe. People put holes to control humidity so some will have less, some will have more. I heard someone had 4 holes. I mean there will be some gaps between lid and tub if you are using lid.

Honestly, as long as room temp is good and hot side temp is good, it should be all good to go.

Can't really see the picture well but is that your current set up that your bp is in? I only see a hide, unless you just removed water bowl and substrate for some reason.

Sorry I know nothing about rubtub setups but that temp of a 100 is dangerously high .. none of mine ever go over 92F on the hot spot -


Also note that the heat mat shouldn't cover more than 40% of the floor area ( hard to explain sorry) ..it should be to one side not in the middle just so there is a warm side and a cooler side


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Originally Posted by gusanr14

Not a super expert but have been dealing with tub set up for months and asking questions thousand times etc lol
I have a perfect tub set ups at this point.

As for heat pad/tape, as long as it is controlled by trustable thermostat it should not matter.
First, where is the thermostat probe located to reach that 90 degrees? it is recommended that the probe is in direct contact with the heat pad, under the tub, so sandwich the probe between pad and tub. Then, you want to adjust your thermostat so that the surface temperature "inside the tub" reaches 90 degrees on hot spot. You have to keep measuring with temp gun and adjust thermostat. For example, if you set thermostat to 90 degrees and when you measure the actual surface temp of the tub at like 95 or something, you lower the thermostat to have proper temp inside the tub. Heat mat does get hotter than what you set your thermostat to because probe is not only measuring the heat pad temp but air around it which is not a problem, at least for me. As long as you have a proper hot spot inside the tub, it shouldn't be a problem. Plastic shouldn't melt as long as it is controlled.

The ambient temp part was the problem I had before setting up my tub. I thought heat pad would help out a little with ambient temp, but guess what it barely does. So never rely on heat pad for ambient temp. For tubs, the actual room that the tub is in has to be at certain temp. If your room is 70, tub ambient will be around 70. You have to either use heater in your house, or space heater to higher the room temp. For me, when I set my space heater to 75 degrees, the temp inside the tub goes up to 78 degrees. I guess they trap in heat a little but not for long so space heater are always on during winter. Summer shouldn't be a problem because the weather is really hot most days. If hear can't be used, I had some advice from other people about a heat lamp with lamp stand to make the air hot around the tub but not too sure on this because I've never tried it.

Holes, they will breathe. People put holes to control humidity so some will have less, some will have more. I heard someone had 4 holes. I mean there will be some gaps between lid and tub if you are using lid.

Honestly, as long as room temp is good and hot side temp is good, it should be all good to go.

Can't really see the picture well but is that your current set up that your bp is in? I only see a hide, unless you just removed water bowl and substrate for some reason.

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We must have been typing at exactly the same time :)

Yours wasn't there when I started .,

I panicked when I saw he had temps of 100F


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We must have been typing at exactly the same time :)

Yours wasn't there when I started .,

I panicked when I saw he had temps of 100F


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haha, yea we must have.
I don't know if he is talking about the actual heat pad temperature or the temperature inside the tub. If it is inside, not good. If it is heat pad, not bad.

Good point raised above ^

The crucial temp is the warm area over the heat mat - the temp of the rub base inside where the snake will be lying .

So difficult to explain for a dyslexic ( me ) .


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So I just got the Zilla thermostat and Hooked it up to heat pad. And set to 90 degrees. But the heat pad is 110. And won’t go down. Please help ASAP


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Originally Posted by gusanr14

Not a super expert but have been dealing with tub set up for months and asking questions thousand times etc lol
I have a perfect tub set ups at this point.

As for heat pad/tape, as long as it is controlled by trustable thermostat it should not matter.
First, where is the thermostat probe located to reach that 90 degrees? it is recommended that the probe is in direct contact with the heat pad, under the tub, so sandwich the probe between pad and tub. Then, you want to adjust your thermostat so that the surface temperature "inside the tub" reaches 90 degrees on hot spot. You have to keep measuring with temp gun and adjust thermostat. For example, if you set thermostat to 90 degrees and when you measure the actual surface temp of the tub at like 95 or something, you lower the thermostat to have proper temp inside the tub. Heat mat does get hotter than what you set your thermostat to because probe is not only measuring the heat pad temp but air around it which is not a problem, at least for me. As long as you have a proper hot spot inside the tub, it shouldn't be a problem. Plastic shouldn't melt as long as it is controlled.

The ambient temp part was the problem I had before setting up my tub. I thought heat pad would help out a little with ambient temp, but guess what it barely does. So never rely on heat pad for ambient temp. For tubs, the actual room that the tub is in has to be at certain temp. If your room is 70, tub ambient will be around 70. You have to either use heater in your house, or space heater to higher the room temp. For me, when I set my space heater to 75 degrees, the temp inside the tub goes up to 78 degrees. I guess they trap in heat a little but not for long so space heater are always on during winter. Summer shouldn't be a problem because the weather is really hot most days. If hear can't be used, I had some advice from other people about a heat lamp with lamp stand to make the air hot around the tub but not too sure on this because I've never tried it.

Holes, they will breathe. People put holes to control humidity so some will have less, some will have more. I heard someone had 4 holes. I mean there will be some gaps between lid and tub if you are using lid.

Honestly, as long as room temp is good and hot side temp is good, it should be all good to go.

Can't really see the picture well but is that your current set up that your bp is in? I only see a hide, unless you just removed water bowl and substrate for some reason.

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Thankyou very much!! I stuck the probe in between the pad and tub and instantly the thermostat got to work lowering temp. I also made the holes a lot bigger in my tub as the humidity was around 95 percent. Tomorrow I plan on posting full updates. Thankyou very much for your help!


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Originally Posted by Masen136

So I just got the Zilla thermostat and Hooked it up to heat pad. And set to 90 degrees. But the heat pad is 110. And won’t go down. Please help ASAP


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i think i saw your previous thread. you had a tub running, but with no substrate? where are you aiming the temp gun? if you're not using a substrate then the temp gun will just measure the UTH through the bottom, not the actual bottom.

if you're not the same person as i think you are im so sorry LOL.

EDIT: you're the same person hahaha.

Sounds promising :)

Just keep reading the threads in here and absorb as much as you can ....

It seems overwhelming at first but you'll soon be feeling much more confident!


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Originally Posted by Masen136

So I just got the Zilla thermostat and Hooked it up to heat pad. And set to 90 degrees. But the heat pad is 110. And won’t go down. Please help ASAP


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Thermostat probe temps don’t often match with the tanks temps, especially if reading air temps.

Where is is the thermostat probe placed?

Either the probe placement is wrong, there is a big a discrepancy as described above, and you need to lower the thermostat, Or the thermostat is defective.

Where is the probe and have you lowered your t-stat setting?

If the probe is where it should be (outside sandwiched between your enclosure and the UTH) and you have lowered the temps setting of your t-stat and the temp inside the enclosure still does not go down, unplug the t-stat and buy a reliable one (zilla t-stat are notorious to fail wide open)

Like I mentioned previous thread, where is the probe and where are you reading the temp with your temp gun?
Thermostat and heat pad don't match exactly, reason due to the air around the thermostat probe. Thermostat probes are not going to only read the heat pad temp but air around it effects the probe temp.
I used to use jumpstart thermostat and it didn't match either. My heat tape was at 100~110 with thermostat set to 90 but the temp inside the tub was 90 degrees so not a problem. If you are saying that the temp inside the tub is 110, that is a problem. If it is heat pad temp, measure inside the tub and see. Also, I would get reliable thermostat. Jump start was good but I changed to herpstat and it is amazing. Even when I use herpstat, heat tape temp is little higher than thermostat due to those air factor etc but inside the tub is right on spot. You just have to adjust a little. Again, please tell us if the 110 degrees temperature is inside the tub or just heatpad itself and if heatpad, tell us the temp of the hot zone inside the tub.

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Originally Posted by gusanr14

Like I mentioned previous thread, where is the probe and where are you reading the temp with your temp gun?
Thermostat and heat pad don't match exactly, reason due to the air around the thermostat probe. Thermostat probes are not going to only read the heat pad temp but air around it effects the probe temp.
I used to use jumpstart thermostat and it didn't match either. My heat tape was at 100~110 with thermostat set to 90 but the temp inside the tub was 90 degrees so not a problem. If you are saying that the temp inside the tub is 110, that is a problem. If it is heat pad temp, measure inside the tub and see. Also, I would get reliable thermostat. Jump start was good but I changed to herpstat and it is amazing. Even when I use herpstat, heat tape temp is little higher than thermostat due to those air factor etc but inside the tub is right on spot. You just have to adjust a little. Again, please tell us if the 110 degrees temperature is inside the tub or just heatpad itself and if heatpad, tell us the temp of the hot zone inside the tub.

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My issue now is the ambient temp is 72 degrees. The heat pad a hotspot is perfect 91. But the air temp seems to be 72. Is that okay. Or any tips??


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My issue now is the ambient temp is 72 degrees. The heat pad a hotspot is perfect 91. But the air temp seems to be 72. Is that okay. Or any tips??


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My tub is in my laundry room. My ambient temps in my house are around 72. I use a space heater with a stat and run it at 80.


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My issue now is the ambient temp is 72 degrees. The heat pad a hotspot is perfect 91. But the air temp seems to be 72. Is that okay. Or any tips??


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Ambient of 72 is not okay as most people will say. But, I saw people that keep at 70-75 with no problem, don’t know if it is true or not but does not mean you should. It is better and best to keep ambient at least above 75, with space heater. These days, many space heater comes with built in thermostat. I recommend oil filled radiator. Set it to what you desire, if room is well insulated (no window or little window, door closed all the time etc) it will keep heat from space heater better.


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