Probe placement issues

What can I do to fix this problem?
Like to have the hot side at 90-92 an cool side at 78-82...


I installed my heat panel yesterday and hooked it up to a thermostat setting at 80 degrees..
The temperature reading on the floor on the cool side where the probe is was 78 to 81 degrees turn on the hot side 92-92 degrees...

My room temperature reached 80 degrees turning the thermostat off keeping my cool side around 77-78 but my hot side was only 82- 84 degree...

My room temperature ranges anywhere between 76-80 year round.. I run a space heater during winter months an AC is kept at 77 at the lowest an usually close the vent when not in the room... Snakes are kept in bedroom....
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Originally Posted by robert7107

What can I do to fix this problem?
Like to have the hot side at 90-92 an cool side at 78-82...


I installed my heat panel yesterday and hooked it up to a thermostat setting at 80 degrees..
The temperature reading on the floor on the cool side where the probe is was 78 to 81 degrees turn on the hot side 92-92 degrees...

My room temperature reached 80 degrees turning the thermostat off keeping my cool side around 77-78 but my hot side was only 82- 84 degree...

My room temperature ranges anywhere between 76-80 year round.. I run a space heater during winter months an AC is kept at 77 at the lowest an usually close the vent when not in the room... Snakes are kept in bedroom....
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You should have any heater probe positioned in-line with the centre of the heat source and halfway between the heater and the ground. You want to ensure the heat source is accurately controlled and not the ambient temps or the cool side temps. Calibrate the basking temp with an infra red temp gun.

The ambient and cool side temps will be on point as long as the wattage of your heat source is what is recommended for the size of your enclosure. This is because you want to have the basking area set to a certain temperature that dictates the rest of the cage temps.

For example I have my baby Burm in a 4 x 2 enclosure. A 150 watt heat source is the sweet spot for the size of my enclosure. So as long as my heat source is controlled by a pulse proportional stat all other enclosure temps fall in-line irrespective of external room temps within reason

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Originally Posted by Valaryan

You should have any heater probe positioned in-line with the centre of the heat source and halfway between the heater and the ground. You want to ensure the heat source is accurately controlled and not the ambient temps or the cool side temps. Calibrate the basking temp with an infra red temp gun.

The ambient and cool side temps will be on point as long as the wattage of your heat source is what is recommended for the size of your enclosure. This is because you want to have the basking area set to a certain temperature that dictates the rest of the cage temps.

For example I have my baby Burm in a 4 x 2 enclosure. A 150 watt heat source is the sweet spot for the size of my enclosure. So as long as my heat source is controlled by a pulse proportional stat all other enclosure temps fall in-line irrespective of external room temps within reason

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Ok..
Bob at pro products suggested I put it on the cool side set the temperature for what I wanted to the ambient temperature to be.. at the time of ordering it I told him my room dropped down to the low 70's before I started using the space heater...

I'll move the probe over hot side then....

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Originally Posted by robert7107

Ok..
Bob at pro products suggested I put it on the cool side set the temperature for what I wanted to the ambient temperature to be.. at the time of ordering it I told him my room dropped down to the low 70's before I started using the space heater...

I'll move the probe over hot side then....

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I've never heard of that before but I live in the UK so maybe our ideas on setup are different than in the US. It doesn't make sense to me though because you're not controlling your basking temp at all which I think would be dangerous due to potential over or under heating.

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Originally Posted by Valaryan

I've never heard of that before but I live in the UK so maybe our ideas on setup are different than in the US. It doesn't make sense to me though because you're not controlling your basking temp at all which I think would be dangerous due to potential over or under heating.

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I haven't used heat panels before so this is new to me I'll go ahead and put it on the hot side center of the panel halfway down from the floor to the ceiling...
It's going to be awhile before I put a snake in there so I have plenty of time to adjust it to get the right temperature

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Originally Posted by robert7107

I haven't used heat panels before so this is new to me I'll go ahead and put it on the hot side center of the panel halfway down from the floor to the ceiling...
It's going to be awhile before I put a snake in there so I have plenty of time to adjust it to get the right temperature

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I use a ceramic heat emitter but the theory should be the same. I'd be interested to see if moving it to the heat source works out.

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Originally Posted by Valaryan

I use a ceramic heat emitter but the theory should be the same. I'd be interested to see if moving it to the heat source works out.

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I'll try tomorrow morning an post the results

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I ran my probes on the cool side as well when i ran RHPs. The reason i quit running them was the same problems you are seeing now. In a warm room, the RHP isnt going to come on much if you have the probe set on the cool side. If you move it to the warm side and set it for a 90F hot spot, it will heat the cool side quite a bit warmer. In my case, it would put the warm side around 88-90F and the cool side would go up to 83F or so. In a cold room, RHPs work awesome but in a warm room, they suck imo. Thats why i switched everyone over to flexwatt when i switched all my cages over to AP. Now i get a nice 88F hot spot with the flexwatt but the rest of cage including ambient is room temp at anywhere from 77-79F.

Really the only way i see you getting it to work is to shut down the room heating and let it get below 75F. Otherwise you are going to end up with either a good hot spot and too hot of cool side or good cool side and no hot spot. But to be honest, snakes dont NEED belly heat or a hot spot. They will just fine with a a good ambient but they wont pass up a good hot spot if offered lol.

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Ok..
Bob at pro products suggested I put it on the cool side set the temperature for what I wanted to the ambient temperature to be.. at the time of ordering it I told him my room dropped down to the low 70's before I started using the space heater...

I'll move the probe over hot side then....

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Yes thats what Bob likes. I do not do that. I was on the phone with Bob for over a hr today debating and joking about all this. I also put my probe on the Hot side. My probe comes in the Back wall (with RHP power cord) and hangs down the back wall 1/2 between the Floor and Top where RHP is.
Not sure what you use for a Tstat but that is also something that can cause a jump in Hot temp. If its a On/Off verses Proportional you get a spike here and there.. No big deal. Just keep it Lower than Higher. A Ball can do fine at 88 on hotside when a spiked hot side can cause brain issues. So as long as cool side is 75/76min-81max and Hot 86min-90/91max your all clear.


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Originally Posted by CALM Pythons

Yes thats what Bob likes. I do not do that. I was on the phone with Bob for over a hr today debating and joking about all this. I also put my probe on the Hot side. My probe comes in the Back wall (with RHP power cord) and hangs down the back wall 1/2 between the Floor and Top where RHP is.
Not sure what you use for a Tstat but that is also something that can cause a jump in Hot temp. If its a On/Off verses Proportional you get a spike here and there.. No big deal. Just keep it Lower than Higher. A Ball can do fine at 88 on hotside when a spiked hot side can cause brain issues. So as long as cool side is 75/76min-81max and Hot 86min-90/91max your all clear.


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Right now I'm using a Helix dp1000 but I don't plan to use permanently only to test the area.. plan to go with a herpstat 2 .. the snake I plan to put into the cage isnt big enough in my option to go in it..4ft x 2ft cage an she is close to 4ft...


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Originally Posted by robert7107

Right now I'm using a Helix dp1000 but I don't plan to use permanently only to test the area.. plan to go with a herpstat 2 .. the snake I plan to put into the cage isnt big enough in my option to go in it..4ft x 2ft cage an she is close to 4ft...


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My 6 month old (611g) is in a 4'x2'x2' and my 1.5 yr old (1580g) is also. They love it. They stick to Hides during the day and scout about at night basking and not stressed at all. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...90f9dc1cd7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...268137126e.jpg


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You don’t need, or want, tape on the probe inside the enclosure. If you’re worried about the probe getting moved, tape the cord on the outside of the enclosure.

When we got our RHPs Reptile Basics instructed the same as Valaryan did abovefor probe placement.


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Originally Posted by robert7107

What can I do to fix this problem?
Like to have the hot side at 90-92 an cool side at 78-82...


I installed my heat panel yesterday and hooked it up to a thermostat setting at 80 degrees..
The temperature reading on the floor on the cool side where the probe is was 78 to 81 degrees turn on the hot side 92-92 degrees...

My room temperature reached 80 degrees turning the thermostat off keeping my cool side around 77-78 but my hot side was only 82- 84 degree...

My room temperature ranges anywhere between 76-80 year round.. I run a space heater during winter months an AC is kept at 77 at the lowest an usually close the vent when not in the room... Snakes are kept in bedroom....
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Aside from anything else , as already mentioned any internal sticky tape has to be removed before adding the snake .... If you are keeping the probe there a simple and safe solution is to secure it with one or two if those plastic 'zip ties' or even easier use a hot glue gun ...


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Originally Posted by Zincubus

Aside from anything else , as already mentioned any internal sticky tape has to be removed before adding the snake .... If you are keeping the probe there a simple and safe solution is to secure it with one or two if those plastic 'zip ties' or even easier use a hot glue gun ...


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Yup I use Tape to hold it down then Silicone the heck out of it. Once dry and in place i remove the tape.


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Cable clamp and short round headed screw. Problem solved


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Originally Posted by Prognathodon

You don’t need, or want, tape on the probe inside the enclosure. If you’re worried about the probe getting moved, tape the cord on the outside of the enclosure.

When we got our RHPs Reptile Basics instructed the same as Valaryan did abovefor probe placement.


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No... I not going to keep tape in cage once snake gos in I'm merely using it as a reference point... Once temps are dialed in i planned to tape the outside of cage ....

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Originally Posted by CALM Pythons

My 6 month old (611g) is in a 4'x2'x2' and my 1.5 yr old (1580g) is also. They love it. They stick to Hides during the day and scout about at night basking and not stressed at all. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...90f9dc1cd7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...268137126e.jpg


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Your 611g what is she around 4 1/2 ft?
My biggest female is 522 g.. I tried measuring her this morning using yarn an got 44 inches....

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Originally Posted by robert7107

Your 611g what is she around 4 1/2 ft?
My biggest female is 522 g.. I tried measuring her this morning using yarn an got 44 inches....

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The 611 gram is 31 inches. The 4 foot is 1580 grams.


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Moved probe set temp at 88 get a hot spot of 90-91 an a ambient temperature of 83-85....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3381d7f3ad.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...70ee3a730f.jpg

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oops!!

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Originally Posted by Sunnieskys

You guys crack me up. Thread high jacked Rofl.

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How so????
I created it an questions have been about what Im asking..

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Oh jeez sorry....I'm in the completely wrong thread I thought I was in. I'm so so sorry. I'll edit my post. I'm a drrrrrr right now! My bad!

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Moved probe set temp at 88 get a hot spot of 90-91 an a ambient temperature of 83-85....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3381d7f3ad.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...70ee3a730f.jpg

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Are using a Herpstat? If so lower it to 80% Power and lower the Temp to 86. You should then have a Hot Spot if 88/90 and will lower your cool side to 80/81 not running the RHP on 100% power. Thats what I've been playing with for 2 weeks now.
Check the top of the Hide for Hot temp not the floor. You will get 2 degrees higher on top of that so you can lower you Tstat a couple degress.
I think Most prefer 88/89 better anyways.. Every snake ive owned leaves a 91 degree hot spot.


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Originally Posted by CALM Pythons

Are using a Herpstat? If so lower it to 80% Power and lower the Temp to 86. You should then have a Hot Spot if 88/90 and will lower your cool side to 80/81 not running the RHP on 100% power. Thats what I've been playing with for 2 weeks now.
Check the top of the Hide for Hot temp not the floor. You will get 2 degrees higher on top of that so you can lower you Tstat a couple degress.
I think Most prefer 88/89 better anyways.. Every snake ive owned leaves a 91 degree hot spot.


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Using a Helix dp1000....
I'm buying a herpstat this week

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Using a Helix dp1000....
I'm buying a herpstat this week

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Not familure with them. Id bring it down to 86 and in a hour check the top of the hot hide. The hides are a Oven so the snake measures the temp of the top of the hotb hide when they are in there. In return your cool side will go down some.


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Also sometimes it will run 1-2 degrees warmer in the middle of night cause when the house drops the RHP runs more and in return heats the hot spot a little more... ... There are a lot of people that run 86-89 for Retics. If I remember correctly Sauzo does that too. In my experience none of my snakes like to Cook and will leave if top of Hot hide is over 91.
(Thats floor around 88.3)


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I keep all my snakes with a 88F hot spot and 77-79F cool/ambient. 85F ambient is pretty hot for a retic.

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Not familure with them. Id bring it down to 86 and in a hour check the top of the hot hide. The hides are a Oven so the snake measures the temp of the top of the hotb hide when they are in there. In return your cool side will go down some.


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Just ordered a herpstat 2 be here next week ...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b9d2e23079.jpg

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Just ordered a herpstat 2 be here next week ...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b9d2e23079.jpg

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Im sure the Helix is fine once you dial in.. I think if you get the Hot Hide to 88/89 max your cool side will be ok. Just takes a bit for it to get cool and regulate. I sit there and stair sometimes like its going to happen within minutes hahahah. My wife & kids look at me like I'm a nut looking at nothing hHahahahahaha


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Herpstat arriving today's...
May have found the sweet spot...
Set at 85...
Hot spot 89
Ambient 79

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Originally Posted by robert7107

Herpstat arriving today's...
May have found the sweet spot...
Set at 85...
Hot spot 89
Ambient 79

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Great. Get a pic from a distance after so we can all see how it looks. Also dont get to crazy over worrying about a couple degrees. Remember RHP's work in a funny way.. When i have a lower ambient on my warm side if i check the top of the hide its always the correct temp so I'm safe. For a long time i was thinking of things to much and around the box when its actually a lot simpler lol.


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Originally Posted by CALM Pythons

Great. Get a pic from a distance after so we can all see how it looks. Also dont get to crazy over worrying about a couple degrees. Remember RHP's work in a funny way.. When i have a lower ambient on my warm side if i check the top of the hide its always the correct temp so I'm safe. For a long time i was thinking of things to much and around the box when its actually a lot simpler lol.


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Ya.. I may suffer from a little OCD...lol
Soon as I have it up an running with snake I'll send a pic.. herpstat hasn't arrived was delayed so ya I'll show final set...
Inside my hide its cooler by a couple degrees...

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Inside hide doesn't really matter much. The Top of hide temp is what radiates into the snakes body. My air temp in hide might read 86. The top of hide if 90 will be what snake is on her inside coil. (Meaning warmest tightest inside part of her body)
Im OCD too about the enclosures and their health.

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