enchi gene here?

I have a ball python on hold, fully paid for, just waiting for the weather to warm up before she is shipped across the country. The morph is Kalabash (obvious from photo) Enchi (I don't see it), 100% Het piebald, (easy to determine from the recessive pairing).

These are my photos, but I am having a difficult time seeing the Enchi gene. I know sometimes the Enchi gene can be subtle, particularly when combined with other genes. Can anyone help? I am considering to cancel the order and get another snake that has enchi het piebald genes in her. I like the snake, but I plan on breeding and need the ENCHI gene for sure. This is from a reputable breeder with 50 years experience, but I still have my doubts.
https://image.ibb.co/iQkW4b/Kalabash...ebald_back.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/nnv9qG/Kalabash...bald_belly.jpg

Anyone can see the ENchi?

I'm seeing blade imho

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Yes there is enchi.

I agree!

I see the pixelation and banding.

The head stamp is not very visible, but the rest sure looks like there is Enchi in there...

I see enchi
(and not much else but I have no idea what Kalabash is though, sorry!)

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

I see enchi
(and not much else but I have no idea what Kalabash is though, sorry!)

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http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...eduction-gene/

really? that has Enchi written all over it.

what was the pairing? if you're buying from a reputable breeder, u should not have to worry really.

The reason I couldn't see it, is becnase the Kalabash gene does some similar things as Enchi, and the breeder even agreed that the Kalabash gene "overpowers" the enchi gene a bit in this particular snake.

THANKS SO MUCH EVERYONE! I am really excited to have such a unique snake, with all three genes! Enchi has been on my wishlist for months.

Also, for me, some Enchis are very obvious, and others are hard to see. What exactly is it to look for the for? The "banding" is a strong feature of the Kalabash, so that alone doesn't mean a lot in this case. The color doesn't look Enchi, but I must have judged it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

The reason I couldn't see it, is becnase the Kalabash gene does some similar things as Enchi, and the breeder even agreed that the Kalabash gene "overpowers" the enchi gene a bit in this particular snake.

THANKS SO MUCH EVERYONE! I am really excited to have such a unique snake, with all three genes! Enchi has been on my wishlist for months.

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i think u are too focused on KRG and that's all u see. not too many peeps work w/ KRG so it seems very exciting but keep it mind Enchi does similar things. OD, Blade and other genes help clean patterns also.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Also, for me, some Enchis are very obvious, and others are hard to see. What exactly is it to look for the for? The "banding" is a strong feature of the Kalabash, so that alone doesn't mean a lot in this case. The color doesn't look Enchi, but I must have judged it wrong.

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TBH i'm not familar w/ KRG and that BP u are buying looks like a reduced Enchi to me. i would attribute the additional reduction in the last 1/3 of that BP to KRG. 2 big things in Enchis always jump out to me: 1) the pixelation coming up their sides into the pattern. u know how Calico's and Sugars often have white speckling? Enchi has that put in smaller pixels of yellow/orange w/ black speckling thrown in; 2) reduced (wide) pattern that includes banding and limited dots. they also usually have some light orange blushing and greenish eyes.


Edit: would u happen to be getting this BP from Tropical Tom? he's an old timer from my neck of the woods and works w/ KRG and has been into reptiles for like a million years.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

i think u are too focused on KRG and that's all u see. not too many peeps work w/ KRG so it seems very exciting but keep it mind Enchi does similar things. OD, Blade and other genes help clean patterns also.


TBH i'm not familar w/ KRG and that BP u are buying looks like a reduced Enchi to me. i would attribute the additional reduction in the last 1/3 of that BP to KRG. 2 big things in Enchis always jump out to me: 1) the pixelation coming up their sides into the pattern. u know how Calico's and Sugars often have white speckling? Enchi has that put in smaller pixels of yellow/orange w/ black speckling thrown in; 2) reduced (wide) pattern that includes banding and limited dots. they also usually have some light orange blushing and greenish eyes.


Edit: would u happen to be getting this BP from Tropical Tom? he's an old timer from my neck of the woods and works w/ KRG and has been into reptiles for like a million years.

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Awesome!:cool: I didn't know the fine pixelation was an Enchi feature. Just the information I was looking for, thank you. And YES, Tropical Tom is hooking me up. He is also getting me a Pastel Het Piebald. Both snakes are 2014 females, so they will be adults in no time!:gj: (though he has kept them small for their age, they should be full grown by now at 3+ years old, unless he hasn't updated the weight info on Morphmarket, which is likely.)

Yes AX01, I am obsessed with banded and reduced patterns, so I have done heavy research into Enchi, Kalabash, Blade, Woma, puzzle, and a pretty much everything that gives a reduced, banded look to the pattern. The only criticism I have with Enchi, is that I like when the banding stays black, and often it is faded to dark auburn bands on Enchi.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Awesome!:cool: I didn't know the fine pixelation was an Enchi feature. Just the information I was looking for, thank you. And YES, Tropical Tom is hooking me up. He is also getting me a Pastel Het Piebald. Both snakes are 2014 females, so they will be adults in no time!:gj: (though he has kept them small for their age, they should be full grown by now at 3+ years old, unless he hasn't updated the weight info on Morphmarket, which is likely.)

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i was gonna buy live feeders from Tropical Tom but then i told him i only needed 2 a week, so he was like yeah, Lol it's probably not worth my time. call me back when u wanna buy in bulk.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Yes AX01, I am obsessed with banded and reduced patterns, so I have done heavy research into Enchi, Kalabash, Blade, Woma, puzzle, and a pretty much everything that gives a reduced, banded look to the pattern.

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The only criticism I have with Enchi, is that I like when the banding stays black, and often it is faded to dark auburn bands on Enchi.

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yes, Enchi is blushed. also u see, this is where BP genetics gets fun! it's all in the technical details. now how do u eliminate the blushing? do u had a darkening gene like Blackblack and risk adding pattern? or do u keep holdbacks and line breed out the darkest ones?

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yes, Enchi is blushed. also u see, this is where BP genetics gets fun! it's all in the technical details. now how do u eliminate the blushing? do u had a darkening gene like Blackblack and risk adding pattern? or do u keep holdbacks and line breed out the darkest ones?

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Yes, now you see why I wanted the Kalabash Enchi combo. The Kalabash bands stay black, and if you look at the photos, they are black on that snake even after 3+ years. (One reason why I was skeptical of the Enchi gene being there, but that is now cleared up, I see the pixelation and slight blushing for sure.)