Delta Cracking Down on ESA's, United Airlines Denies Boardingto Woman and her Peacock

ok so this is still going on...

i first heard about Delta's new policy on ESA's like a week or so ago; their new policy goes into effect 3/1/18.

a few quick interesting tidbits:
-- Delta flies over 700 service and support animals a day; over a quarter million last year; a 150% increase in the last few years
-- it costs $125 to bring your pet into the fligth cabin w/ u; it costs $0 to bring your ESA

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...119-story.html

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Delta's smart move to bar phony support animals
Dogs, cats, turkeys, pigs, rabbits, hamsters, marmots, even iguanas? No, you haven’t wandered into a zoo or a pet shop. This is an airline cabin, and those aren’t pets; they’re emotional support animals. If you have the bad luck to be seated next to someone with one, well, be grateful that snakes and ferrets aren’t allowed.

Anyone who ventures into a U.S. airport these days likely will see a passenger carrying a small furry creature wearing a special vest or tag identifying its distinctive function. Some of these are actual service animals, defined by the ADA National Network as “individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability.”

Many, though, fall into a looser category of animals that are supposedly helpful to travelers who don’t have blindness or PTSD but may feel less anxious with a nonhuman companion. The federal Air Carrier Access Act has been interpreted to require airlines to accommodate passengers who need — or claim to need — an animal for emotional support. The main thing it takes to qualify on most airlines is a letter from a physician or therapist.

This policy has spawned a host of websites offering quick, easy certification. One offers 24-hour service, including a five-minute questionnaire and chat with a licensed therapist. Says the site, “Getting an ESA Qualification Has Never Been Easier.”

Another highlights one big attraction: “Pets fly in cabin free.” Oh, we forgot to mention: If you want to take your pet cat aboard, you can expect to pay $125, but if you want to take your emotional support animal, you can expect to pay nothing.

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more here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...es/1082037001/


anyway it came back up again b/c like yesterday a woman tried to board a United Airlines flight w/ her ESA peacock.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-tri...085924481.html

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Woman tries to take 'emotional support peacock' on United Airlines flight
This is the bizarre moment that a woman attempted to take an ‘emotional support’ peacock on a United Airlines flight, before her unusual request was politely declined.

Footage shows the unnamed woman walking through Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey, with the bird sitting calmly on her shoulder as she pushes her luggage.
The bird reportedly had its own assigned seat, but was ultimately denied access as the woman attempted to board the plane.

One bemused traveller is heard to say in the footage: ’What the hell. I’m not kidding, a woman is wrangling her peacock in the airport.’

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more here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...try/ar-BBIv84g
and here: http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/0...ed-flight.html

:O


Edit: and check out the peacock here on it's IG: https://www.instagram.com/dexterthepeacock

Well I cant say im surprised. People abusing the system and ruining it for people who really do have emotional issues and need the pets. I personally think the people who abuse the system should lose their pets and go to jail.

This is why I hate flying, and only do so if I go back in Europe, it's about time this is getting ridiculous, if I fly I don't want to fly near a pig, a duck, a peacock all that because someone is special and has a phony support animal, if you really need your ESA that is out of the norm and need to travel then drive.

I have no issue flying next to a REAL service animals (just like I have no issue with real service animal in stores or restaurant), that are justified and necessary for those that need them and those usually are not farm animal.

Those phony service or support animals are nothing more than people being "special" and wanting to get their way.

Good. I can say without malice or hatred in my heart I would have not felt bad if someone killed that peacock once in the air. Peacocks are insane and dangerous and would have caused a lot of damage and harm if spooked like from I don't know, flying in a plane...

Good. I always thought this whole "ESA" thing was hogwash for the most part.

Delta's new rules are because an ESA on one of their flights attacked another passenger a while ago and now they're getting sued.

http://www.wftv.com/news/trending-no...says/686368369

And i bet that guy's ESA wasnt even really one, just a normal pet. Good that he/she is getting sued if it wasnt the real thing. I really hate people who try and cheat or find ways to abuse a system. All it does is screw up people who legitimately do need an ESA. /rant off.

ESA is a flat out JOKE!!! and that is as nice as I can say it on this site.

True TRAINED service dogs are one thing BUT too any people have found ways around that too by buying the badges for their pet.
I wish people would adult up and quit being a maby paby candy butt.

Nobody legitimately needs an "emotional support animal". Are we living in some sort of toddler cartoon these days? Get real with this ESA crap.

:sarcasm:I want to bring naked prostitutes on my plane ride, because I get bad anxiety without them around.:rolleyes:

Well, to be honest, i dont buy all this stuff about ADD, ADHD and all these new 'conditions' kids and people have. When i was a kid, there was none of that but then again, when i was a kid, there were no computers and internet. We went outside, rode bikes without helmets and built jumps out of plywood or giant mounds of dirt in the woods. When you got hurt, you had your dad telling you 'quit being a pansy and man up. Rub some dirt in it and go back outside' lol. Also if you were a bad kid, you got a whoopin from dad with the belt or worse yet, mom with the wooden spoon.....god i hated the wooden spoon haha. Now kids cry 'child abuse' if their parent even talks loud to them and next thing you know, everyone is in court.

My Grandmother broke one of her spoons over my shoulder because I tried to run from the spanking....... I got in trouble for the broken spoon too!
Sad part is people cannot figure out what happened to their "good kid" when they go to jail or are laying in a pool of their own blood.

Haha, yeah i had a few wooden spoons broken on my bum too. Then my mom found out about those big tupperware salad spork things. My god, they were big and they could lay the hurtin on the butt without breaking lol. And when i was a kid, you didnt have all these mass shootings in schools and stuff. I blame it on the 'soft' America now with all these child abuse laws. Some kids just needed a whoopin here and there to keep em straight, me included haha.

As a United States Combat Marine I CAN say that YES there are support animals out there...I can attest to it. I find solace in my lab that isn’t trained or certified but I consider her my support animal because when ever I’m “having a moment with my ptsd”, she NEVER leaves my side. you know what people saying their ESA are legitimately needed, like a peacock or some crap like that...that’s crap. I’m sorry your parents punished you for being a little brat, and your last what ever left you cause your a mess and think a peacock can help you, I’d leave you too! BUT that’s my mental standpoint....no I wouldn’t bring my lab on a plane because I have common sense (common sense isn’t so common now a days) and know that she’s never flown and she’s not trained....I still seek her as my support.


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I was not expecting this thread to have the tone it does and it's a pleasant surprise.:gj:

I can this is no safe place.... Now there's another joke. :taz:

I once made a joke here about making kids wear hockey gear to ride a bike and it wasn't well received. I'm glad the crowd is not a soft bunch.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

ESA is a flat out JOKE!!! and that is as nice as I can say it on this site.

True TRAINED service dogs are one thing BUT too any people have found ways around that too by buying the badges for their pet.
I wish people would adult up and quit being a maby paby candy butt.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Well, to be honest, i dont buy all this stuff about ADD, ADHD and all these new 'conditions' kids and people have. When i was a kid, there was none of that but then again, when i was a kid, there were no computers and internet. We went outside, rode bikes without helmets and built jumps out of plywood or giant mounds of dirt in the woods. When you got hurt, you had your dad telling you 'quit being a pansy and man up. Rub some dirt in it and go back outside' lol. Also if you were a bad kid, you got a whoopin from dad with the belt or worse yet, mom with the wooden spoon.....god i hated the wooden spoon haha. Now kids cry 'child abuse' if their parent even talks loud to them and next thing you know, everyone is in court.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

My Grandmother broke one of her spoons over my shoulder because I tried to run from the spanking....... I got in trouble for the broken spoon too!
Sad part is people cannot figure out what happened to their "good kid" when they go to jail or are laying in a pool of their own blood.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Haha, yeah i had a few wooden spoons broken on my bum too. Then my mom found out about those big tupperware salad spork things. My god, they were big and they could lay the hurtin on the butt without breaking lol. And when i was a kid, you didnt have all these mass shootings in schools and stuff. I blame it on the 'soft' America now with all these child abuse laws. Some kids just needed a whoopin here and there to keep em straight, me included haha.

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Originally Posted by KMG

I was not expecting this thread to have the tone it does and it's a pleasant surprise.:gj:

I can this is no safe place.... Now there's another joke. :taz:

I once made a joke here about making kids wear hockey gear to ride a bike and it wasn't well received. I'm glad the crowd is not a soft bunch.

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lol that is funny! anyway there's a tone on this forum that i like that dances between the line of friendliness that still cuts through the BS.

i think the line gets blurred between ESA's and pets to the point it doesn't really matter which came first. i believe that some people do truly need ESA's. but i also think those peeps need to be realistic. u need to figure out where and when its appropriate for u to have your ESA in public; is it gonna inconvenience others? will it scare or harm others? do u really wanna deal with that drama? no? then maybe u should not be on that plane or in that restaurant or in that situation w/ your animal. u need to plan accordingly, don't put yourself in situations when you're gonna have a panic attack or anxiety.