Flagyl, Panacur or Ivermectin?

What's the best treatment for worms in a uromastyx and what is the protocol. I really need some help with this guys, please.
thanks

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Originally Posted by Azure

What's the best treatment for worms in a uromastyx and what is the protocol. I really need some help with this guys, please.
thanks

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What did your vet suggest?

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

What did your vet suggest?

-adam

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Agreed! I wouldn't just go giving medication without a vet's advice.

my vet gave him a shot of ivermectin about a month ago. I sterilized the whole entire cage, throughout many of his things, let the other things soak in bleach. now the worms are back, that's why i was wondering what other people use. also the reason being is that there are no "reptile" vets around here so they just go by what's in the book and that always isn't what works best. i was a vet tech and went to vet school for a short period of time and i've found that breeders and experienced herp caregivers generally have the best advice particularly because vets see herps rather infrequently and therefore don't have the practical experience necessary. my vet actully put a snake to sleep because it had mouth rot. that's why i'm asking for help from my fellow reptilian fans. thanks again!

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Originally Posted by Azure

my vet gave him a shot of ivermectin about a month ago. I sterilized the whole entire cage, throughout many of his things, let the other things soak in bleach. now the worms are back, that's why i was wondering what other people use. also the reason being is that there are no "reptile" vets around here so they just go by what's in the book and that always isn't what works best. i was a vet tech and went to vet school for a short period of time and i've found that breeders and experienced herp caregivers generally have the best advice particularly because vets see herps rather infrequently and therefore don't have the practical experience necessary. my vet actully put a snake to sleep because it had mouth rot. that's why i'm asking for help from my fellow reptilian fans. thanks again!

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The problem is, without knowing what type of worms we are talking about, there is no way anyone (even a vet) can make an accurate diagnosis or recommend meds. How do you know he has worms? Have you seen them? Check this list to see if there might be any vets in your area: http://www.herpvetconnection.com/

Hey Jamie is there some special "trick" to add a vet to that site you just linked to? I'd love to recommend our vet but it won't seem to work. Did notice the site said last updated December 04????


~~Jo~~

This is another great site to find good vet: http://www.arav.org/

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Hey Jamie is there some special "trick" to add a vet to that site you just linked to? I'd love to recommend our vet but it won't seem to work. Did notice the site said last updated December 04????


~~Jo~~

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You can submit your vet with this form .... http://www.herpvetconnection.com/submitvet.shtml

Don't put too much stock in the "last updated" stamps you see on websites. Many times, sites are updated and the web guy forgets to update the "last updated" part. It's usually a manual process that gets overlooked a lot ... I know it happens to me with my sites on a pretty regular basis.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Azure

my vet gave him a shot of ivermectin about a month ago. I sterilized the whole entire cage, throughout many of his things, let the other things soak in bleach. now the worms are back, that's why i was wondering what other people use. also the reason being is that there are no "reptile" vets around here so they just go by what's in the book and that always isn't what works best. i was a vet tech and went to vet school for a short period of time and i've found that breeders and experienced herp caregivers generally have the best advice particularly because vets see herps rather infrequently and therefore don't have the practical experience necessary. my vet actully put a snake to sleep because it had mouth rot. that's why i'm asking for help from my fellow reptilian fans. thanks again!

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It is nearly impossible for anyone to provide an accurate diagnosis for your animal let alone suggest a possible treatment with some very potent drugs over the internet. In my personal collection I diagnose and treat the vast majority of animals that need medical attention myself, but I get to see them in person. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving out that kind of information without seeing the animal first hand. IMO, anything less is really pretty irresponsible.

-adam

i guess i'm used to a different climate of people. i also show dogs, i've owned and bred some of the top dogs in the world. breeders are very generous with information they've accumulated with their experiences. on my breeder forums we openly discuss treatments we've used so that way it helps us know what works and doesn't work.

my uro has tapeworms. i know because segments are in his stool. tapeworms are the only worm that doesn't lay eggs but instead segments are excreted. my concern is because obviously the ivermectin inject didn't work. it is with the health of my uro in consideration that i write.

i also have full access to whatever meds i need, my vet is one of my best friends and he knows how relevant trials and tribulations of those with experience are. again i am no newbie as i have my masters in biochemistry and attended vet school plus worked as a tech while doing my undergrad.
i appreciate the vet links unfortunately none are in my area.
i was just curious if anybody had a protocol that worked for their lizards, apparently not.
vets are not the be all and end all, especially when it comes to herps. they spend a fraction of their education on herps.

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Originally Posted by Azure

i guess i'm used to a different climate of people. i also show dogs, i've owned and bred some of the top dogs in the world. breeders are very generous with information they've accumulated with their experiences. on my breeder forums we openly discuss treatments we've used so that way it helps us know what works and doesn't work.

my uro has tapeworms. i know because segments are in his stool. tapeworms are the only worm that doesn't lay eggs but instead segments are excreted. my concern is because obviously the ivermectin inject didn't work. it is with the health of my uro in consideration that i write.

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Actually Azure, everyone here is extremely helpful. They share what knowledge they do know and always offer suggestions when they feel it will help the animal in question. However, you neither told us all your observations, (how you determined it was tape worms) or that you had access to meds to help it. I know that you are concerned, but to take shots at the very people that may help you is just a bad idea in general.

And if your friend is a vet, why isn't he helping you?

*whisper* Ivomec doesn't kill tapes very well.... You would think the vet would know this...

Go to the vet(another one, as it is obvious that your current vet is off his rocker) and get some Droncit. I had a rat that had tapes when I bought her(along with coccidia), I diagnosed it myself, went to the vet and got 1/4 of a feline Droncit tablet, crushed it up, put it in water(and into a syringe) and gave her a small amount(0.1cc?) for a total of 7 days.

Now this was rodent tapes, and not reptile tapes, but they can't be THAT different. Droncit will kill any tapes in that Uro's system in a week.

I would take the Uro to the vet with you, have the vet get a weight, and adjust the dosage as such. Give it orally once or twice a day for 7-10 days, and that should clear it up. Tapeworms aren't too hard to clear out. At least the poor lizard doesn't have crypto or anything icky like that.

Good luck with him and another vet :)

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Originally Posted by Azure

i guess i'm used to a different climate of people....

...i was just curious if anybody had a protocol that worked for their lizards, apparently not.

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So what 'climate of people' are we? If you would have given the explanation of tapeworms and your background in the first post, everyone could have offered a bit more help. The majority keepers on this site do not give out bad advice....and advice given without appropriate background information is bad advice.

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Originally Posted by Azure

i guess i'm used to a different climate of people. i also show dogs, i've owned and bred some of the top dogs in the world. breeders are very generous with information they've accumulated with their experiences. on my breeder forums we openly discuss treatments we've used so that way it helps us know what works and doesn't work.

my uro has tapeworms. i know because segments are in his stool. tapeworms are the only worm that doesn't lay eggs but instead segments are excreted. my concern is because obviously the ivermectin inject didn't work. it is with the health of my uro in consideration that i write.

i also have full access to whatever meds i need, my vet is one of my best friends and he knows how relevant trials and tribulations of those with experience are. again i am no newbie as i have my masters in biochemistry and attended vet school plus worked as a tech while doing my undergrad.
i appreciate the vet links unfortunately none are in my area.
i was just curious if anybody had a protocol that worked for their lizards, apparently not.
vets are not the be all and end all, especially when it comes to herps. they spend a fraction of their education on herps.

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Well, if you would have included all that information in your original post my initial response might have been different. Instead, you gave a very terse and extremely broad over view of the problem and were not forth coming in any way about your knowledge base, access to medications, or experience. For all I knew you could have been some 15 year old that was stealing meds from a friend’s house.

I don't know how you do it on the dog breeder forums, but personally I like to be responsible when discussing or suggesting regimens of medication that could possibly kill an animal.

Maybe if you had mentioned how you walk on water in the first place, we would not be here right now. Quite frankly, after reading your most impressive resume, it sounds like you’ve got it all covered. Good luck with that! :D

-adam

Great responce Becky....see how much details help in situations like this :)

thought i had explained myself, sorry about that. thanks for the ivermec advice. drontal, hmmm definitely what we use on dogs and cats for tape.
i know my vet is no reptile expert, nor am I but together we are trying to learn. that's why i figured i would turn to the true experts, herp owners.
in my reptile book from vet school is says to use ivermectin. panacur is somewhat outdated for use in dogs and cats, we use droncit tabs- much more effective. the point being was that before i ordered panacur- which is expensive even at cost i thought i would consult you all. as well as before i try every drug out there on the market, making my uro's life hell i wanted to know some opinions.
thanks for the advice guys- sorry if i sounded cranky, i'm just upset because i love this little guy so much and want to do the best possible.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Well, if you would have included all that information in your original post my initial response might have been different. Instead, you gave a very terse and extremely broad over view of the problem and were not forth coming in any way about your knowledge base, access to medications, or experience. For all I knew you could have been some 15 year old that was stealing meds from a friend’s house.

I don't know how you do it on the dog breeder forums, but personally I like to be responsible when discussing or suggesting regimens of medication that could possibly kill an animal.

Maybe if you had mentioned how you walk on water in the first place, we would not be here right now. Quite frankly, after reading your most impressive resume, it sounds like you’ve got it all covered. Good luck with that! :D

-adam

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Why does it seem that all the threads I post to go horribly wrong in one way or another? Arguments, snack cakes and tapeworms. Wait, that sounds like a typical Friday night at my place! :)

Flagyl is metronidazole and works best on anerobic infections and protozoans.

Panacur is febendazole which should do will for round worms.

Isn't ivermectin for ticks? It won't work on tape worms though.

I usually stay clear of posts asking about dosing/meds. Although we may have the knowledge and skill to dose our animals with the right meds, we cannot tell you how to dose yours or with what. I mean if we mess up and kill our own we have no one to blame but ourselves. I dose my own most of the time, however I talk with my vet first or at least a friend that is in college for this stuff. I understand wanting to know and trying to reach out for some help on the forums, but we cannot just hand out medical advice here.

I would feel bad if someone saw this post and was confused about the species you have and thought it was a larger species and told you to hit it up with a large amount of a strong drug, that would be very bad.

Though most meds are somewhat safe, Ivermec is deadly if misused. Even moreso in Chelonia species.