The Most Useful Codominant Or Dominant Genes

I am asking forum members what they think the most useful genes they use in their breeding programs are. For me, it is the yellowbelly gene.

Hmmm probably Mojave for me.

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Mojo, followed by Leo, then OD.

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Number one in my book would be Pastel. It enhances everything with various shades of yellow and jumbles up the patterns.

I predict number two will be Het Scaleless head and the Super Scaleless. It's still early in the game for scaleless but I bet within 5-6 years it will outshine Pastel and can be mixed with any genes to make colors and patterns 'pop' without the scales getting in the way. That's assuming there's no unforeseen problems with the morph which is possible since it's only been in the game for a short while (i.e., health issues, kinking in the super, viability, sterility, ect..). Kind of reminds me of the Desert craze before we found out the females were all sterile. I'm not sure anyone has worked with the supers enough to know for sure one way or another.

I’m still learning as much as I can about the potential combos when paired with a banana. I really like the desert ghost het clown....I just don’t know what other combos I can think of that would really make beautiful babies, any suggestions?


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Yellow Belly is without a doubt the most versatile gene there is. I have a few and am blessed when I get more. I have the following
Breeders
0.1 Pastel YB
0.1 Super Pastel YB
1.0 Cinnamon YB (Hoping to Prove Gravel)

Juvies
1.2 Yellow Belly (2 pretty sure are Gravel)
0.1 Hypo Spider Yellow Belly
1.0 Yellow Belly het Ultramel

And I am sure that I will have more coming or holding back.

For me, mojave, banana, pinstripe, lesser, leopard.


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If I could only do one project it would be panda pieds, so the most useful codom gene for me is cinnamon/black pastel. I've got to admit I'm pretty partial to both though, no matter what the pairing. They make gorgous codom combos and look amazing as single gene animals too.

My top 2 Leopard and Enchi in that order

From what I've seen in my short time in the scene enchi is probably the most underrated gene. The enhancing, cleaning and reducing it does it amazing. It's super form is like double the brilliance too which can't be said for a lot of the genes... they either make a white snake or an overly dark snake.

Leopard, spotnose both great pattern changers that add contract and clean up certain combos.

OD is brilliant. Especially with the brightening and cleaning genes. Some people love lesser... it's what makes the hobby and scene so much fun. Horses for courses and endless possibilities.

Do you like the dark banana combos or the light? The yellow or the oramge?

I love the enchi and super enchi variants with Mojave or cinnamon.

IF you have the patience for recessives the leopard banana clown stuff is nuts. Seen a vid of one at 8 months and it's as bright as when it was a hatching.

From what you list, I would say Leopard or Enchi. If I were to add my own option I would throw out OD.

While I get why a lot of people like YB or BluEL group or Fire for what they do as single genes, I tend to find that once they become pervasive in your collection they are more of a hindrance. As an example, next season I have two animals that I could pair together that would offer me 324 possible outcomes one of which would be a quad superform... But two of those possible superforms are BluEL and Ivory. And in just about every case, if I make a BluEL or an Ivory I will most likely have zero idea what other genes it may be carrying so I either have to keep all of them back to prove them out or move them out as only the base superform, potentially giving out a powerhouse animal. Neither of those options appeal to me, rendering what some might call a fantastic pairing opportunity utterly worthless.

Fire improves almost any combo. You can especially see the difference with adults, because Fire gets lighter and brighter with age. (Unlike Pastel, which tends to dull or brown in adulthood.) A while back, I bought a Davies line Fire female and a Butter Fire Pastel male. They both get more beautiful with every shed! Super Fires look pretty awesome too.

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I know what you mean about white snakes made with Yellowbelly. I'm going to run into the same thing with my BEL complexes. This year I'm pairing up my Bamboo with a couple female Lessers. I should get a few Blue Eyed Lucistics (BEL) that are the allelic Bamboo Lesser combo. The only problem with holding those back is if I breed them back to a Lesser I won't know if the white hatchlings are Super Lessers or Lesser Bamboos, the Lesser Bamboos being about twice as expensive. Plus if there are any other genes in the mix they are masked.

I've been considering getting a few pairs of different supers just to make pure supers, like a pair of Super Fires or Super Black Pastels. It would be neat to have a few on the tables at shows and to just keep the pairs together every season. White snakes and black snakes seem to have an appeal all their own.

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Originally Posted by asplundii

From what you list, I would say Leopard or Enchi. If I were to add my own option I would throw out OD.

While I get why a lot of people like YB or BluEL group or Fire for what they do as single genes, I tend to find that once they become pervasive in your collection they are more of a hindrance. As an example, next season I have two animals that I could pair together that would offer me 324 possible outcomes one of which would be a quad superform... But two of those possible superforms are BluEL and Ivory. And in just about every case, if I make a BluEL or an Ivory I will most likely have zero idea what other genes it may be carrying so I either have to keep all of them back to prove them out or move them out as only the base superform, potentially giving out a powerhouse animal. Neither of those options appeal to me, rendering what some might call a fantastic pairing opportunity utterly worthless.

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See for me this is an example where while breeding, more genes doesnt always equal better. When I'm breeding for BELs I dont want to mess with more than a few genes and have to second guess if something is say a super phantom vs passion. I also plan most of my pairings with the intent to hopefully hit a certain combo for a hold back so I dont want a 1% chance of getting one and then over 100 other combos I dont really like. Take this year in particular, I have a waiting list for a few morphs that arent easily available so Im planning my pairings to have pretty good odds at hitting what I want for myself along with gauranteed sales of a few others before theyre even laid. It just depends on your goals. I dont try to collect every morph out there and prefer to just focus on my favorites and have customers with similar appreciation to them.

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Originally Posted by HannahLou

See for me this is an example where while breeding, more genes doesnt always equal better.

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The original breedings that made my animals was not done with the intent of "going for more genes", that was just a side effect. I was trying to prove out an Ivory that was suspected of carrying one gene with the hope of creating a couple nice two and three gene combos. The other genes the Ivory had were a bonus and in the end the higher multi-gene animals had greater eye appeal to me so I ended up keeping them over the two and three gene animals.

That said, my base argument stays the same even when you are dealing with low gene number animals -- If someone were to use YB throughout their collection as an enhancer gene then in very little time they would find themselves in a position where most/all of their pairings would generate Ivories, potentially to the detriment of trying to produce the other combos they would be striving for.

The queen of all ball python morphs... spider

pastel and enchi make everything better, and they both have cool super forms.

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pastel and enchi make everything better, and they both have cool super forms.

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I have my pastel enchi that I wanna breed just don’t know what to pair it with


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Originally Posted by Aerries

I have my pastel enchi that I wanna breed just don’t know what to pair it with

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A piebald, then holdback an enchi pastel het piebald and breed it to another piebald and you have a good chance of a pastel enchi piebald! Gorgeous.

leopard . looks good in any combo

My vote would be Leopard for what it does to pattern and OD for what it does to brightness and reduction.

I would have to say leopard as well. It makes all other genes enhanced ( crisp).

A couple years ago I saw this snake sell for $6,000. It's one of the snakes that really got me excited about having the right genes on top of each other. And all the genes in this mix are most of the ones mentioned on this thread: Leopard, Enchi, Orange Dream, Yellow Belly, Fire! You would have some pretty slim odds trying to reproduce it though...

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...0102a314f3.jpg

My orange dream enchi fire, I'm looking for a leapard yellowbelly to breed him withhttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...8cf3930eb9.jpg

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Originally Posted by cchardwick

A couple years ago I saw this snake sell for $6,000. It's one of the snakes that really got me excited about having the right genes on top of each other. And all the genes in this mix are most of the ones mentioned on this thread: Leopard, Enchi, Orange Dream, Yellow Belly, Fire! You would have some pretty slim odds trying to reproduce it though...

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...0102a314f3.jpg

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i meant to quote you in my last post, but yeah its the snake im trying for, and im close.

Well, for me, and for my future projects, I would have to say orange ghost and butter.

Butter lends a soft but intense yellow creamy look to most morphs, and orange ghost further amplifies this softness by giving everything an almost velvety appearence. My male butter orange ghost really shows this, and his yellow isn't fading with age like a normal butter, instead it is becoming a lighter almost glowing yellow. I'm hoping to start a project that will add these two genes to other combos to lend this effect.

I just ran across a photo of a Coral Glow Lesser (same as Coral Glow Butter). WOW what a stunner! Next year I'm breeding my Coral Glow het Pied to my big Lesser girl. I agree that Lesser / Butter enhances everything and is a must in every collection.

Coral Glow Lesser:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...ffa99ae864.jpg

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Originally Posted by bmwood

i meant to quote you in my last post, but yeah its the snake im trying for, and im close.

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Your odds would be 1 in 32. With an average of 6 eggs per clutch it would take you six years on average to get that combo!

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I just ran across a photo of a Coral Glow Lesser (same as Coral Glow Butter). WOW what a stunner! Next year I'm breeding my Coral Glow het Pied to my big Lesser girl. I agree that Lesser / Butter enhances everything and is a must in every collection.

Coral Glow Lesser:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...ffa99ae864.jpg

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Wow... I have a male banana pinstripe so depending on what I get from my pairings I may actually get the chance to make one of these. :D

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Your odds would be 1 in 32. With an average of 6 eggs per clutch it would take you six years on average to get that combo!

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good thing im patient and im it for the morph cause I want it and not to sell lol

I am still learning and acquiring my collection. I am very fond of my yellow bellies. I love pastel because it makes the coloring pop more. It looks good in everything I've come across. I think when my little Leopard gets to breeding age, she may change my tune, though, because she is gorgeous.

Lesser, Mojave, Fire

For my projects? Banana.

For all around useful-ness, Enchi.