Dreki my dwarf/super dwarf retic

Fed an shed for me within a week
5 days after arrival.

50% ternate
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Confused... neither of those locales are super dwarf. Good looking critter though


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Originally Posted by jmcrook

Confused... neither of those locales are super dwarf. Good looking critter though


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Lol me too. Here is some reading for the OP from Cody who used to be the retic expert until he left us all for hots :P

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...nd-Information

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Originally Posted by jmcrook

Confused... neither of those locales are super dwarf. Good looking critter though


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Unless I miss understood I believe the ternate is under 10ft so wouldn't that be categorized as a super dwarf.?

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Confused... neither of those locales are super dwarf. Good looking critter though


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Wouldn't.let me edit.....
So went back an reread information from breeder.."7-12ft. His breeders are 10ft... So she is a dwarf not super.....

Lots of confusion.... Island locales etc..

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Lol me too. Here is some reading for the OP from Cody who used to be the retic expert until he left us all for hots [emoji14]

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...nd-Information

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Thanks for the reading material.. still learning went back an reread the information from breeder . He says his pure ternate are 10 ft ... So I can assume that once 10 ft. Mark has been reached that is no longer a super dwarf?

According to the article 75 % SD the mainland size is no longer a factor so that would be the case for dwarfs as well?

I would assume that I'm potentially looking at a female of 12-16ft then?

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It is my understanding that only Kalatoa locales are considered to be Super Dwarfs. I don't think size itself is a factor in classifying these guys in the Super Dwarf category, because there are mainlands that only reach 7' - 8'. At the same time, there are 100% pure Kalatoa Super Dwarfs that reach 9'. I'm not at all familiar with Ternate locales, but I know the Jampeas are considered to be the largest of the Dwarf locales. If anyone has any information on where the Ternate locales fit into the general Dwarf locale sizes, I would also be very interested in learning more about them. Up until now, I have only researched (in order of largest to smallest) Jampea, Kayuadi, Madu and Kalatoa locales. So, where would the Ternates fall in that scale, with regards to size?

It's impossible to say how large this snake will top out at, Robert. If you want to lessen the odds of of ending up with a giant, I would definitely keep his feeding schedules bi-weekly for the first couple of years and keep the prey sizes to no larger than the snakes girth. Did the breeder give you parental sizes and photos? As we have been discussing on here a lot recently, parental sizes, feeding schedules and prey sizes are major factors (in addition to genetics) in helping to determine how large these guys may get. If I had to guess, though, I wouldn't expect anything less than 10' with this guy...

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It is my understanding that only Kalatoa locales are considered to be Super Dwarfs. I don't think size itself is a factor in classifying these guys in the Super Dwarf category, because there are mainlands that only reach 7' - 8'. At the same time, there are 100% pure Kalatoa Super Dwarfs that reach 9'. I'm not at all familiar with Ternate locales, but I know the Jampeas are considered to be the largest of the Dwarf locales. If anyone has any information on where the Ternate locales fit into the general Dwarf locale sizes, I would also be very interested in learning more about them. Up until now, I have only researched (in order of largest to smallest) Jampea, Kayuadi, Madu and Kalatoa locales. So, where would the Ternates fall in that scale, with regards to size?

It's impossible to say how large this snake will top out at, Robert. If you want to lessen the odds of of ending up with a giant, I would definitely keep his feeding schedules bi-weekly for the first couple of years and keep the prey sizes to no larger than the snakes girth. Did the breeder give you parental sizes and photos? As we have been discussing on here a lot recently, parental sizes, feeding schedules and prey sizes are major factors (in addition to genetics) in helping to determine how large these guys may get. If I had to guess, though, I wouldn't expect anything less than 10' with this guy...

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See a lot of confusion. It was my understanding that the kalatoa an madu were classified as super dwarf. The breeder never used the term super dwarf that's my fault for assuming.. this is what the breeder said to me....
(She's 50% ternate 25% jam and she might be het anery..the platty jamp I used is a poss het anery....she's 30in...she is still a bit nervous so you will need to handle her....ternate island is a small island of the west coast of halmahera...that island group is north of where the Jamps and sds come from...ternates:cens0r:average 7 to 12ft...my biggest female is around 10ft..)

I planned to feed her once ever 7days a small meal as well as my male who is 50% kalatoa the first 6 months then as prey size increase the frequency of feeding will decrease..

their are so many Locale which is confusing .. selayer, Sulawesi, jampea etc etc. Love to see some literature that explains size potential over these locales

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Originally Posted by robert7107

Thanks for the reading material.. still learning went back an reread the information from breeder . He says his pure ternate are 10 ft ... So I can assume that once 10 ft. Mark has been reached that is no longer a super dwarf?

According to the article 75 % SD the mainland size is no longer a factor so that would be the case for dwarfs as well?

I would assume that I'm potentially looking at a female of 12-16ft then?

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All the numbers given are 'guesses' or 'averages'. When you are mixing like SDs to dwarves to mainlands, it really depends on the snake and mother nature. For example, Caesar is 37.5% SD, 31.5% dwarf and 31% mainland. I fed and still do feed him fairly heavily as he has always been a brat when it comes to food and will destroy his face. He is a little over 7 ft. I got him from Kris Brown over at Vital Exotics. The dad was 6 ft and mom was 8-9 ft. Kris guessed with normal feeding, he should top out around 7 ft.

The thing with the higher percent of SD blood is the snake and mother nature have a higher chance of pulling from the SD gene pool for lack of a better terms. So basically, you have a 75% chance of the snake using the SD part of its 'build'. Now there is still a 25% chance if that is mainland, that it could adopt the mainland pool and grow a little larger. Also certain genes are thought to make bigger snakes like tiger gene which came from mainlands i believe. Not sure if that makes sense but i cant really explain it better lol.

Some super dwarfs do get a little larger. The definition of a SD is from the islands of Kalatoa, Madu and Kayuadi. They generally do stay under 10 ft though unless you got Phyllis who is probably a monster kalatoa who is going to eat Jacob one day :P

If the breeder said his ternates are staying around 10 ft, then i would guess yours will stay around there too. But like i said, it's not an etched in stone size. It could grow bigger or stay smaller but i would guess around there if the parents were that size.

In that link i linked, Cody also mentions dwarfs like selayer and jampea. Thing with dwarves, is they arent that much smaller than mainlands really. I think people just think dwarf and an image of a 3 ft person next to a 6 ft person pops into their head. A dwarf retic doesnt mean it is only going to grow 10 ft while a mianland is double that at 18-20 ft. It just means its a little smaller lol.

There are lots of different local to retics but the ones listed on the link i gave from Cody lists the more 'mainstream' ones.

It's like dwarf boas. Sure they are smaller than say a pure Peruvian BCC or large colombian BCI but it doesnt mean it's going to be a 2 ft boa. Now Tarahumara boas are rather small, i think adults are like 4 ft. But that would be the equivalent of say a Kalatoa retic vs a mainland retic.

Oh and i forgot to add, the snake will pretty much dictate its feeding lol. Some retics will push like crazy and basically destroy stuff if not fed more often while others are perfectly content to eating once every 2 weeks. Try the longer feeding schedule and see how it works. But remember, starving the snake to try and keep it small imo is bad. If you dont want a big snake or want the risk of your snake getting larger, then dont buy it. Buying a large constrictor or a potentially large constrictor and stunting it into staying small is bad. Lol i think i just repeated myself using different words......think im tired :)

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

In that link i linked, Cody also mentions dwarfs like selayer and jampea. Thing with dwarves, is they arent that much smaller than mainlands really. I think people just think dwarf and an image of a 3 ft person next to a 6 ft person pops into their head. A dwarf retic doesnt mean it is only going to grow 10 ft while a mianland is double that at 18-20 ft. It just means its a little smaller lol.

There are lots of different local to retics but the ones listed on the link i gave from Cody lists the more 'mainstream' ones.

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Apples to oranges when it comes to balls an retics at least I know what I'm in for with them size wise retics I'll just have to be prepared for whatever comes an go with it...

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Apples to oranges when it comes to balls an retics at least I know what I'm in for with them size wise retics I'll just have to be prepared for whatever comes an go with it...

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Eh? I didnt mentions balls anywhere lol. I was just saying dont be one of those guys who starves his retic into being small because you wanted a retic but didnt want a large snake.

Ball pythons are a whole different game as those crazy snakes go off food all the time lol. But they do dictate their own feeding schedule too like retics but in the opposite direction. They decide when they quit eating where as retics decide when you WILL feed them hahaha. And then there are boas who throw a whole different curve ball in the game of keeping lol.

And yeah, best thing is just to plan for a 12 ft snake and be happily surprised if it stays 10 ft rather than plan for a 10 ft snake and freak out when it gets 12+ ft :)

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Eh? I didnt mentions balls anywhere lol. I was just saying dont be one of those guys who starves his retic into being small because you wanted a retic but didnt want a large snake.

Ball pythons are a whole different game as those crazy snakes go off food all the time lol. But they do dictate their own feeding schedule too like retics but in the opposite direction. They decide when they quit eating where as retics decide when you WILL feed them hahaha. And then there are boas who throw a whole different curve ball in the game of keeping lol.

And yeah, best thing is just to plan for a 12 ft snake and be happily surprised if it stays 10 ft rather than plan for a 10 ft snake and freak out when it gets 12+ ft :)

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No ... That was me saying out loud that there's a difference...
I'm learning quickly that theirs more too learn with retics .where balls it's black and white if that.makes sense... That's all


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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Eh? I didnt mentions balls anywhere lol. I was just saying dont be one of those guys who starves his retic into being small because you wanted a retic but didnt want a large snake.

Ball pythons are a whole different game as those crazy snakes go off food all the time lol. But they do dictate their own feeding schedule too like retics but in the opposite direction. They decide when they quit eating where as retics decide when you WILL feed them hahaha. And then there are boas who throw a whole different curve ball in the game of keeping lol.

And yeah, best thing is just to plan for a 12 ft snake and be happily surprised if it stays 10 ft rather than plan for a 10 ft snake and freak out when it gets 12+ ft :)

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Already looking at prices for 8ft cages ...just in case lol...

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If I ever get a reticulated python, I’m going to get a golden child and let it eat until it’s happy, and get longer than my car! Go big or go home!

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If I ever get a reticulated python, I’m going to get a golden child and let it eat until it’s happy, and get longer than my car! Go big or go home!

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Haha I'm already getting tempted to get me a male pied retic after i get my moon or snow boa haha.

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The thing with the higher percent of SD blood is the snake and mother nature have a higher chance of pulling from the SD gene pool for lack of a better terms. So basically, you have a 75% chance of the snake using the SD part of its 'build'. Now there is still a 25% chance if that is mainland, that it could adopt the mainland pool and grow a little larger. Also certain genes are thought to make bigger snakes like tiger gene which came from mainlands i believe. Not sure if that makes sense but i cant really explain it better lol.

Some super dwarfs do get a little larger. The definition of a SD is from the islands of Kalatoa, Madu and Kayuadi. They generally do stay under 10 ft though unless you got Phyllis who is probably a monster kalatoa who is going to eat Jacob one day :P.

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That morelia pythons radio podcast a few weeks ago shed some new light on these theories to some degree. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/morelia...h-out-reptiles
Apparently the parent's sizes have somewhat more to do than their respective SD percentages. Their theory (Garrett Hartle) is that the animal tends to get more of the size and demeanor of mom than from dad to a degree. So breeding pure male SD to an 18' female mainland you get 50% SD, but they can still get like 14'+. At that point is hardly matters that there's any SD in the animal. He also said that he has verifiable 75% kalatoa retics that have reached 14'. So breeding pure SD male to a huge 50% SD female can still lead to babies with a potential for larger sizes because mom is big, can more and larger sized eggs, producing larger babies. I mean it's not scientifically proven but it makes sense in my mind. Then again these animals are cared for far differently than they would be in the wild, so sometimes they just tend to grow because they have the resources to do so. Hence Phyllis being close to 9', 15lbs, and 100% kalatoa from wild caught parents that are 6' and ~7'.
As for the SD locales, I've heard a lot of people go back and forth on whether or not Kayuadi is Dwarf or SD. Some stay small, some are like 13'. Madu and kalatoa are definitely SD locales as well as Karompa (or is it Carompa? I've seen it spelled both ways.




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Originally Posted by jmcrook

That morelia pythons radio podcast a few weeks ago shed some new light on these theories to some degree. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/morelia...h-out-reptiles
Apparently the parent's sizes have somewhat more to do than their respective SD percentages. Their theory (Garrett Hartle) is that the animal tends to get more of the size and demeanor of mom than from dad to a degree. So breeding pure male SD to an 18' female mainland you get 50% SD, but they can still get like 14'+. At that point is hardly matters that there's any SD in the animal. He also said that he has verifiable 75% kalatoa retics that have reached 14'. So breeding pure SD male to a huge 50% SD female can still lead to babies with a potential for larger sizes because mom is big, can more and larger sized eggs, producing larger babies. I mean it's not scientifically proven but it makes sense in my mind. Then again these animals are cared for far differently than they would be in the wild, so sometimes they just tend to grow because they have the resources to do so. Hence Phyllis being close to 9', 15lbs, and 100% kalatoa from wild caught parents that are 6' and ~7'.
As for the SD locales, I've heard a lot of people go back and forth on whether or not Kayuadi is Dwarf or SD. Some stay small, some are like 13'. Madu and kalatoa are definitely SD locales as well as Karompa (or is it Carompa? I've seen it spelled both ways.




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I heard that podcast in pieces unfortunately an missed alot may have go an listen to again...
My male is from Bob Clark an female from Rodney boalich both have excellent reputations so I know I have quality stock it's just a matter of how I feed them..
Was planning every 5-7 days and gradually increase that as prey size increases



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Originally Posted by jmcrook

That morelia pythons radio podcast a few weeks ago shed some new light on these theories to some degree. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/morelia...h-out-reptiles
Apparently the parent's sizes have somewhat more to do than their respective SD percentages. Their theory (Garrett Hartle) is that the animal tends to get more of the size and demeanor of mom than from dad to a degree. So breeding pure male SD to an 18' female mainland you get 50% SD, but they can still get like 14'+. At that point is hardly matters that there's any SD in the animal. He also said that he has verifiable 75% kalatoa retics that have reached 14'. So breeding pure SD male to a huge 50% SD female can still lead to babies with a potential for larger sizes because mom is big, can more and larger sized eggs, producing larger babies. I mean it's not scientifically proven but it makes sense in my mind. Then again these animals are cared for far differently than they would be in the wild, so sometimes they just tend to grow because they have the resources to do so. Hence Phyllis being close to 9', 15lbs, and 100% kalatoa from wild caught parents that are 6' and ~7'.
As for the SD locales, I've heard a lot of people go back and forth on whether or not Kayuadi is Dwarf or SD. Some stay small, some are like 13'. Madu and kalatoa are definitely SD locales as well as Karompa (or is it Carompa? I've seen it spelled both ways.




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You know, i heard that a long time ago too. That you want to breed to small females. Maybe I'll listen to that podcast.