How much to feed?

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Lily Dragon seems to be a very good eater! Takes frozen/thawed without a problem! But I’m not sure the size feeders she’s eating are right. She’s about 2 1/2 months old and eating fuzzy mice. Is that enough food for her? She weighed 80 grams last week. Even now she’s pacing her tank despite being fed this morning. Should I bump her up to two fuzzies per feed? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4880da14f2.jpg


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I know this is often confused as a sign of hunger but pacing does not usually indicate being "on the hunt". Pacing more often than not is due to husbandry issues that need addressing, settling in issues with stress, or other forms of agitation.

Here is the agreed upon guidelines for feeding. 15% is the general percent of the total snake body weight that you should be feeding a 2 month old.

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Originally Posted by SDA

I know this is often confused as a sign of hunger but pacing does not usually indicate being "on the hunt". Pacing more often than not is due to husbandry issues that need addressing, settling in issues with stress, or other forms of agitation.

Here is the agreed upon guidelines for feeding. 15% is the general percent of the total snake body weight that you should be feeding a 2 month old.

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I don’t know, husbandry is fine... for the most part. Hot spot is at 90 ambient is at 75. Humidity is around 60-70%. She’s in a 40 qt tub, but she has a hide and plenty of cover from plants and rocks. She ate well today. I can’t think of why she’s pacing. I haven’t held her since Sunday.....


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Yes, you should bump her up to two fuzzy mice per feed or a larger mouse / fuzzy rat. Your snake is 80g and 15% of that is about 12g. Looking at the chart, a hopper/small mouse is ~10-15g and a fuzzy rat is ~10-18g or so. Fuzzy mice are like 5-7g based on most F/T rodent weight charts. Thus two of those would put you in the right weight range.

Most ball pythons will go right to their hot spot after a meal for digestion. Yours is behaving more like a colubrid....which are never satisfied.

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Originally Posted by Regius_049

Yes, you should bump her up to two fuzzy mice per feed or a larger mouse / fuzzy rat. Your snake is 80g and 15% of that is about 12g. Looking at the chart, a hopper/small mouse is ~10-15g and a fuzzy rat is ~10-18g or so. Fuzzy mice are like 5-7g based on most F/T rodent weight charts. Thus two of those would put you in the right weight range.

Most ball pythons will go right to their hot spot after a meal for digestion. Yours is behaving more like a colubrid....which are never satisfied.

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She’s....odd. She’s almost never balls up, comes out of her tub by herself...and paces about her tub. Pua my older boy is always up in his hide, almost never paces (occasionally on feed day) and balls up for a minute when I pick him up. Maybe it’s an age thing? Or Lily Dragon is just a weird snake


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The current meal is too small, she should be eating hopper mice. Ball python hatchlings start on hopper mice right out of the egg.

If you want to convert her to rats now, the appropriate size is fuzzy rats.

I also just eyeball the size. One appropriate sized prey's torso should be just as wide or even slightly wider than the widest part of her body.

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Originally Posted by redshepherd

The current meal is too small, she should be eating hopper mice. Ball python hatchlings start on hopper mice right out of the egg.

If you want to convert her to rats now, the appropriate size is fuzzy rats.

I also just eyeball the size. One appropriate sized prey's torso should be just as wide or even slightly wider than the widest part of her body.

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Thanks! I offered her a second fuzzy just a couple minutes ago and she took it without a hitch. I’ll feed her two fuzzy pet feed day until I run out and I’ll go for something bigger after that.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8192187396.jpg


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By that photo I'd say that rodent is way too small for that snake. He could easily take double that size.

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Originally Posted by cchardwick

By that photo I'd say that rodent is way too small for that snake. He could easily take double that size.

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Definitely, I’ll feed her two of those for now until I run out


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Originally Posted by JustinGatCat

Maybe it’s an age thing? Or Lily Dragon is just a weird snake

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There is some variation in behavior between ball pythons, but in my experience usually not much. All of mine pretty consistently hide during the day, use their warm spot after food, and come out to explore at night.

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There is some variation in behavior between ball pythons, but in my experience usually not much. All of mine pretty consistently hide during the day, use their warm spot after food, and come out to explore at night.

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She most likely was hungry, because she’s in her hide now, and has been there since her second mouse.


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She’s....odd. She’s almost never balls up, comes out of her tub by herself...and paces about her tub. Pua my older boy is always up in his hide, almost never paces (occasionally on feed day) and balls up for a minute when I pick him up. Maybe it’s an age thing? Or Lily Dragon is just a weird snake


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Well she is a spider combo and they can have their own unique personality and behavioural traits. In this case though, it doers sound like upping her food would be a good idea.

My Mabel has started pacing just after she has been fed, it’s the only time she paces though. She will go over her rocks and branches and I was told she is aiding digestion! Not sure how true that is but as she goes back into her hide after 20 minutes and it’s the only time she does it [emoji2]


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Once I upped the prey size for my little guy, he seemed to be much less active. Pacing could still be a husbandry thing, though. 75 sounds a bit low for ambient, to me. Make sure you are using a good thermometer, plus an IR him to read the ground temp. Also make sure he has at least two hides so he bc an thermoregulate. If all of that seems good, then he probably was just hungry.

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